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I have a sneaking suspicion that "The North Face Guru" section of this article is advertising and/or self-promotion. I feel it should be deleted, but I'll leave it up to y'all to decide. Josehunder ( talk) 19:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the company's website, the quarter-circle logo is supposed to represent Half Dome in Yosemite National Park.
I'm working on a project at Northwestern University Library focusing on Berkeley during the 60s, and I came across an advertisement for an early North Face store on Telegraph in an October, 1969 edition of the Daily Californian. The logo used in the ad was the same logo (or very similar) to the current one, down to the Helvetica typeface and half dome/ "quarter circle" icon. Did a small amount of digging (this isn't exactly in my job description) and couldn't determine where the 1971 date or the designer information came from originally -- just seems to be getting endlessly quoted and recycled as things tend to do on the interwebs. Anyway, thought I'd throw that out there for someone else to obsess over. Alsjakobso ( talk) 20:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Let me look into it and see if I can find a original source stating the correct date. (Current TNF Employee) Apriestofgix ( talk) 20:37, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
In recent years, there has been a high-rate of theft for their products. Muggings have also occured (esp. in DC area). Any way to work this in? -- FasilA 02:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
You could work it into popular items to steal.
I'd like some discussion and comparison of HyVent fabric. -- Error ( talk) 02:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this relevant? A 'parody' company, The South Butt, has turned The North Face's logo upside down and is selling fleeces, etc, this way. TNF has issued TSB with a cease and desist letter, and is threatening to sue. TSB offered to sell the company to TNF for a million dollars. If nothing else, I'd imagine a mention under the counterfeit section would make sense? -- SeattleHiker ( talk) 19:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi there! "North Face" is redirected to this article about a clothing company, which I think is not correct. "North Face" (as explained on the disambiguation page) refers to the most challenging face of a mountin on the northern hemisphere. This gave rise to the name for the clothing company! "The North Face" (with the article) may go directly to the clothing company, but NOT "North Face". I dont know how to change this, but I suggest this should be changed, so that "North Face" leads to a disambiguation page or directly to something like Great_north_faces_of_the_Alps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.219.211.3 ( talk) 14:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I think that keeping the section as far as it may become an informative section in the future. I don't see that it's nonsense that a section should be deleted with given references. -- ReneRomann ( talk) 08:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Greetings,
I am planning to cite video evidence of the North Face retail store in Uptown Minneapolis selling products that are made in China. I am open to suggestions, thoughts, ideas, criticism etc. -- HardwareHate ( talk) 18:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Many trademark brand names have Wiki pages that address the fact that their products are manufactured in China, especially Nike. However, there are Wiki readers like me who may be under the impression that TNF products are Made in America (specifically San Leandro, CA) and become bewildered when, in fact, they are not. Authentic or not, any item made in China (or the like) with an "American" price tag should be clearly labeled and addressed. HardwareHate ( talk) 05:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I never said TNF products aren't marked where they're produced. All I'm asking for is the TNF Wiki page to address the fact that their authentic items are manufactured overseas. I was reading the TNF Wiki page and browsing their website before I decided to shop at the local TNF retailer which is when I saw the tags that read "Made in CHINA/TAIWAN etc." If it's true, it's widely known, and it's not a problem because the quality is the same, why not add it to the wiki page? Why does that offend you so much? I understand there is a language barrier here between you and I so if I say "thank you" and it comes across as "party with your dad's penis and choke" in German, I do apologize. I'm having a hard time understanding much of what you write, but I'm trying to work with you here. DO NOT PERSONALLY ATTACK ME. Thank you. HardwareHate ( talk) 16:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Many TNF products are produced in South America as well, not just China. There are also some products that are produced in America [1]. It seems that trying to mark every products distinction is not needed. Apriestofgix ( talk) 00:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I recently added the death of North Face's founder, Douglas Tompkins to the History section but it was removed soon after by DASonnenfeld. Wanted to hear what what users thought about whether or not the content is notable enough to include. I mean he was the founder of the company, what I added was only a brief mention, and by no means was I pushing WP:MEMORIAL. Meatsgains ( talk) 06:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
The current store counts are outdated. Retail store count should be 63. Apriestofgix ( talk) 00:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
The only citation for what "The North Face" means is some generic statement about how the north face of mountains are generally the coldest, hardest, etc... and the notation goes to Thenorthface.com. This is nothing more than a self promotion and believe the line should be removed altogether due to lack of actual citation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerophex ( talk • contribs) 00:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
That's nothing but another marketing line Apriestofgix. Do you work for The North Face? "Generally speaking" does not indicate any facts, and citing the company website as a source (and not even any kind of direct link to anything on the website that explains the name) is just plain old advertising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerophex ( talk • contribs) 03:33, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
When did "Generally accepted" become synanymous with "fact"? Aerophex ( talk) 23:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Sure it could be a marketing ploy, sure it could be any number of things. However TNF chooses to say that is their inspiration for their name. THAT much is fact. You can disagree with TNFs source material, but Wikipedia is not here to validate the validity of primary sources. If you have a problem with it, contact TNF. Apriestofgix ( talk) 23:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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Could somebody change the headquarters from "[Alameda, California]" to "[Alameda], [California]" to direct both the city and state as separate articles? Along with the "[United States]" to "[United States|U.S.]"?
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I've removed unsourced statement that the name of the company was arrived at following a hike in Minnesota. According to Wikipedia the founder was focused on mountaineering around the time the company started. Eagle Mt. is a small hill. He had no apparent connection to Minnesota.
I don't know that the unsourced statement is untrue, but it intuitively seems unlikely and it lacks a source.
Badiacrushed ( talk) 23:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
So, seeing as The North Face has apparently been editing their photos into several pages without COI disclosure, I was wondering if there was any evidence that this page was edited by them too? TheAwesomeHwyh ( talk) 19:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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Is the COI controversy that is currently on-going notable enough to be included in a "controversies" section of the article? -- Hermit 20xx 13:25, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Strangerpete: it may be correct to reinstate the section but consensus seems to be either a few sentences or a see also link as opposed to the big section which you restored; @ David Gerard: presumably regardless of coverage in sources undue weight is still a consideration? (In this case I happen to agree that it is notable though, but the edit summary understandably doesn’t seem to consider this.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Docentation ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 31 May 2019 (UTC) and @ Strangerpete, David Gerard, and Docentation: SmartSE ( talk) 21:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Whatever else you guys think about this can we at least avoid publishing versions of that section with typos due to wild-west cuts and edits? Whether it stays or goes, it still needs to be professional. -- Ejl389 ( talk) 19:11, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
I feel that a few sentences about advertising practices is well deserved given significant media coverage, which is an indication of general interest. Graywalls ( talk) 04:22, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
There seems to be loose consensus here to keep mention of the controversy as brief as possible, leaving more substantial coverage for the Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia page. I propose that, rather than keeping it as a separate section, we fold it into the history section and make it a paragraph there, using something like the following for the text:
Even this much will be WP:UNDUE given that the history section is currently so short, but presumably as this article matures and the history section gets fleshed out, this level of detail will become appropriate in context. Thoughts, everyone? - Sdkb ( talk) 20:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
That is already linked in the text so shouldn't be in see also per MOS:NOTSEEALSO. SmartSE ( talk) 22:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The current version looks great to me. Vermont ( talk) 23:17, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
[ Just a note that Slate published a piece about this page today which quotes myself, David Gerard, and L235. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 13:03, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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Okay, I know that this is a bit far-fetched, but considering post-incident coverage from Slate, PR Week, AdAge, etc, not including the coverage already mentioned above - would this be notable enough for its own article? Juxlos ( talk) 21:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Everyone,
The North Face was actually founded in 1966, not 1968. Source - TNF Employee and it's also on our website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordan5499 ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change Prince George County, Virginia to Prince George's County, Maryland.
The referenced Washington Times article (16) cited describes the location of the incident as "Prince George's County" which is in Maryland, and mentions locations like "Capitol Heights" which are in Prince George's County, Maryland. There is no "Prince George's County" in Virginia. 73.128.146.38 ( talk) 00:01, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I’ve seen on wiki that Doug Tompkins is credited with designing TNF’s tents using flexible tent poles. In fact, TNFs dome tents, featuring flexible tent poles, were designed by me (Mark Erickson) and Bruce Hamilton and introduced in 1974-5, long after Tompkins’ involvement . 2601:643:8400:9E50:10C8:D87E:B499:61B6 ( talk) 22:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How is it possible that No one even mentionned the fact that TNF is deeply involved in using Uyghurs for the making of their products? DesertMaus ( talk) 01:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Anarchyte: given the fairly extensive discussion at Talk:The North Face#Wikipedia editing it would only be prudent to maintain the status quo ante until there is some opportunity for further discussion (including of the suggestions above). I’ve therefore reverted, which is not to say that I’ve a firm opinion either way. Docentation ( talk) 12:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
In 2019, The North Face faced consumer backlash and apologized after its marketing agency surreptitiously added photos featuring its apparel to Wikipedia articles on popular outdoor destinations.
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On 15 November 1967, for "Rite of Winter", Steve Miller Blues Band and Jesse Fuller, played, at the Old Stanford Barn, to celebrate, the opening of the second store in the Old Stanford Barn,[10] near the Stanford Shopping Center, near Stanford University.[11] Majortony866 ( talk) 09:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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I have a sneaking suspicion that "The North Face Guru" section of this article is advertising and/or self-promotion. I feel it should be deleted, but I'll leave it up to y'all to decide. Josehunder ( talk) 19:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the company's website, the quarter-circle logo is supposed to represent Half Dome in Yosemite National Park.
I'm working on a project at Northwestern University Library focusing on Berkeley during the 60s, and I came across an advertisement for an early North Face store on Telegraph in an October, 1969 edition of the Daily Californian. The logo used in the ad was the same logo (or very similar) to the current one, down to the Helvetica typeface and half dome/ "quarter circle" icon. Did a small amount of digging (this isn't exactly in my job description) and couldn't determine where the 1971 date or the designer information came from originally -- just seems to be getting endlessly quoted and recycled as things tend to do on the interwebs. Anyway, thought I'd throw that out there for someone else to obsess over. Alsjakobso ( talk) 20:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Let me look into it and see if I can find a original source stating the correct date. (Current TNF Employee) Apriestofgix ( talk) 20:37, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
In recent years, there has been a high-rate of theft for their products. Muggings have also occured (esp. in DC area). Any way to work this in? -- FasilA 02:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
You could work it into popular items to steal.
I'd like some discussion and comparison of HyVent fabric. -- Error ( talk) 02:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this relevant? A 'parody' company, The South Butt, has turned The North Face's logo upside down and is selling fleeces, etc, this way. TNF has issued TSB with a cease and desist letter, and is threatening to sue. TSB offered to sell the company to TNF for a million dollars. If nothing else, I'd imagine a mention under the counterfeit section would make sense? -- SeattleHiker ( talk) 19:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi there! "North Face" is redirected to this article about a clothing company, which I think is not correct. "North Face" (as explained on the disambiguation page) refers to the most challenging face of a mountin on the northern hemisphere. This gave rise to the name for the clothing company! "The North Face" (with the article) may go directly to the clothing company, but NOT "North Face". I dont know how to change this, but I suggest this should be changed, so that "North Face" leads to a disambiguation page or directly to something like Great_north_faces_of_the_Alps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.219.211.3 ( talk) 14:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I think that keeping the section as far as it may become an informative section in the future. I don't see that it's nonsense that a section should be deleted with given references. -- ReneRomann ( talk) 08:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Greetings,
I am planning to cite video evidence of the North Face retail store in Uptown Minneapolis selling products that are made in China. I am open to suggestions, thoughts, ideas, criticism etc. -- HardwareHate ( talk) 18:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Many trademark brand names have Wiki pages that address the fact that their products are manufactured in China, especially Nike. However, there are Wiki readers like me who may be under the impression that TNF products are Made in America (specifically San Leandro, CA) and become bewildered when, in fact, they are not. Authentic or not, any item made in China (or the like) with an "American" price tag should be clearly labeled and addressed. HardwareHate ( talk) 05:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I never said TNF products aren't marked where they're produced. All I'm asking for is the TNF Wiki page to address the fact that their authentic items are manufactured overseas. I was reading the TNF Wiki page and browsing their website before I decided to shop at the local TNF retailer which is when I saw the tags that read "Made in CHINA/TAIWAN etc." If it's true, it's widely known, and it's not a problem because the quality is the same, why not add it to the wiki page? Why does that offend you so much? I understand there is a language barrier here between you and I so if I say "thank you" and it comes across as "party with your dad's penis and choke" in German, I do apologize. I'm having a hard time understanding much of what you write, but I'm trying to work with you here. DO NOT PERSONALLY ATTACK ME. Thank you. HardwareHate ( talk) 16:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Many TNF products are produced in South America as well, not just China. There are also some products that are produced in America [1]. It seems that trying to mark every products distinction is not needed. Apriestofgix ( talk) 00:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
I recently added the death of North Face's founder, Douglas Tompkins to the History section but it was removed soon after by DASonnenfeld. Wanted to hear what what users thought about whether or not the content is notable enough to include. I mean he was the founder of the company, what I added was only a brief mention, and by no means was I pushing WP:MEMORIAL. Meatsgains ( talk) 06:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
The current store counts are outdated. Retail store count should be 63. Apriestofgix ( talk) 00:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
The only citation for what "The North Face" means is some generic statement about how the north face of mountains are generally the coldest, hardest, etc... and the notation goes to Thenorthface.com. This is nothing more than a self promotion and believe the line should be removed altogether due to lack of actual citation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerophex ( talk • contribs) 00:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
That's nothing but another marketing line Apriestofgix. Do you work for The North Face? "Generally speaking" does not indicate any facts, and citing the company website as a source (and not even any kind of direct link to anything on the website that explains the name) is just plain old advertising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerophex ( talk • contribs) 03:33, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
When did "Generally accepted" become synanymous with "fact"? Aerophex ( talk) 23:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Sure it could be a marketing ploy, sure it could be any number of things. However TNF chooses to say that is their inspiration for their name. THAT much is fact. You can disagree with TNFs source material, but Wikipedia is not here to validate the validity of primary sources. If you have a problem with it, contact TNF. Apriestofgix ( talk) 23:22, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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Could somebody change the headquarters from "[Alameda, California]" to "[Alameda], [California]" to direct both the city and state as separate articles? Along with the "[United States]" to "[United States|U.S.]"?
71.163.81.242 (
talk) 03:21, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
I've removed unsourced statement that the name of the company was arrived at following a hike in Minnesota. According to Wikipedia the founder was focused on mountaineering around the time the company started. Eagle Mt. is a small hill. He had no apparent connection to Minnesota.
I don't know that the unsourced statement is untrue, but it intuitively seems unlikely and it lacks a source.
Badiacrushed ( talk) 23:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
So, seeing as The North Face has apparently been editing their photos into several pages without COI disclosure, I was wondering if there was any evidence that this page was edited by them too? TheAwesomeHwyh ( talk) 19:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
References
Is the COI controversy that is currently on-going notable enough to be included in a "controversies" section of the article? -- Hermit 20xx 13:25, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Strangerpete: it may be correct to reinstate the section but consensus seems to be either a few sentences or a see also link as opposed to the big section which you restored; @ David Gerard: presumably regardless of coverage in sources undue weight is still a consideration? (In this case I happen to agree that it is notable though, but the edit summary understandably doesn’t seem to consider this.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Docentation ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 31 May 2019 (UTC) and @ Strangerpete, David Gerard, and Docentation: SmartSE ( talk) 21:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Whatever else you guys think about this can we at least avoid publishing versions of that section with typos due to wild-west cuts and edits? Whether it stays or goes, it still needs to be professional. -- Ejl389 ( talk) 19:11, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
I feel that a few sentences about advertising practices is well deserved given significant media coverage, which is an indication of general interest. Graywalls ( talk) 04:22, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
There seems to be loose consensus here to keep mention of the controversy as brief as possible, leaving more substantial coverage for the Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia page. I propose that, rather than keeping it as a separate section, we fold it into the history section and make it a paragraph there, using something like the following for the text:
Even this much will be WP:UNDUE given that the history section is currently so short, but presumably as this article matures and the history section gets fleshed out, this level of detail will become appropriate in context. Thoughts, everyone? - Sdkb ( talk) 20:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
That is already linked in the text so shouldn't be in see also per MOS:NOTSEEALSO. SmartSE ( talk) 22:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
The current version looks great to me. Vermont ( talk) 23:17, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
[ Just a note that Slate published a piece about this page today which quotes myself, David Gerard, and L235. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 13:03, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
References
Okay, I know that this is a bit far-fetched, but considering post-incident coverage from Slate, PR Week, AdAge, etc, not including the coverage already mentioned above - would this be notable enough for its own article? Juxlos ( talk) 21:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Everyone,
The North Face was actually founded in 1966, not 1968. Source - TNF Employee and it's also on our website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordan5499 ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change Prince George County, Virginia to Prince George's County, Maryland.
The referenced Washington Times article (16) cited describes the location of the incident as "Prince George's County" which is in Maryland, and mentions locations like "Capitol Heights" which are in Prince George's County, Maryland. There is no "Prince George's County" in Virginia. 73.128.146.38 ( talk) 00:01, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I’ve seen on wiki that Doug Tompkins is credited with designing TNF’s tents using flexible tent poles. In fact, TNFs dome tents, featuring flexible tent poles, were designed by me (Mark Erickson) and Bruce Hamilton and introduced in 1974-5, long after Tompkins’ involvement . 2601:643:8400:9E50:10C8:D87E:B499:61B6 ( talk) 22:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
How is it possible that No one even mentionned the fact that TNF is deeply involved in using Uyghurs for the making of their products? DesertMaus ( talk) 01:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Anarchyte: given the fairly extensive discussion at Talk:The North Face#Wikipedia editing it would only be prudent to maintain the status quo ante until there is some opportunity for further discussion (including of the suggestions above). I’ve therefore reverted, which is not to say that I’ve a firm opinion either way. Docentation ( talk) 12:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
In 2019, The North Face faced consumer backlash and apologized after its marketing agency surreptitiously added photos featuring its apparel to Wikipedia articles on popular outdoor destinations.
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On 15 November 1967, for "Rite of Winter", Steve Miller Blues Band and Jesse Fuller, played, at the Old Stanford Barn, to celebrate, the opening of the second store in the Old Stanford Barn,[10] near the Stanford Shopping Center, near Stanford University.[11] Majortony866 ( talk) 09:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 January 2024 and 29 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Breadman10 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: JAVermont.
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