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Having made some additions to this page I returned to find they had been removed without discussion! I have been polite enough to to raise my ideas on this board before making changes. I wish others would do the same!-- 86.135.56.47 ( talk) 15:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Having suggested the addition of the Led Zep Lyrics and other changes (see below) there have been no comments in over a month. I have now made the changes and have included references to the lyrics the banjo and chord progression. -- ManInStone 09:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions the stinged instruments used for their version of the film, but negelects to mention that a banjo is used.
I would suggest adding the song full lyrics of the Led Zep version. There should not be a copyright issue as it is credited on the album as a traditional song.
[Copyright infringement removed]
I think there are only three chords in the song (variations of A and majors of D and G). -- ManInStone 13:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a question about the lyrics to the end of the Zepplin version; where are they sourced from? I have always heard it as "SHE is swinging from the gallows pole" (i.e. the sister) and understood that treachery to be why the hangman is laughing so hard. I just listened to it again and still here "she is" rather than "see you". Any thoughts? Lordjim13 ( talk) 17:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
With all due respect, I don't believe this should be resolved. I have listened to this song for many years and in different formats. The lyrics are 'She is swingin from the Gallows Pole'. It does make lyrical sense because it is irony. The sister sleeps with the Hangman and the Hangman replaces the protagonist with the sister. It is implied then that the protagonist is free while the sister is hanging from the gallows pole. The only one who could really resolve this issue is Robert Plant. JL- 12/03/09. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/21:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The current version of the article states that the idea of the convict being male was a unique innovation of the Led Zeppelin version. In fact, this is the case in Dylan's "Seven Curses" and in the version of "Ana Thea" performed by Dayle Stanley (and, I would assume, Judy Collins). It is probably a very, very old variant.
I don't think the merge is needed, or indeed wise, as one is about a specific group's song and the other the folkloric one.
But, certainly the "merge from" is wrong. "The Maid Freed from the Gallows" is the older and therefore its variant, if appearing in the same article, should fall under it, and not the other way around. Goldfritha 02:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I concur. -- AsaRoast 23:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
By the accounts I have seen, "Gallows Pole" is Leadbelly's version of it. Which is to say, "Gallows Pole" is not the title of a centuries-old song, any more than "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is the title of a centuries-old fairy tale -- both are the titles of twentieth century adaptions of the folk version. Goldfritha 23:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I think this has worked out well - in fact, I think we have a potential featured article on our hands! bd2412 T 00:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Should Derry Gaol really redirect here? It would be preferable for Derry Gaol--the actual place--to have an article (or at least a stub) at that location. Redlinks (or now former redlinks) meant to point to the place now point to this song. Robert K S 19:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Please check out Wikipedia:Peer review/The Maid Freed from the Gallows/archive1. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The revision to make the lede more accessible removed the phrase "Child ballad number 95".
I have put it back in, and no revision should take it out.
Removing it is like altering a sentence that says "The Pastoral is Beethoven's Sixth Symphony" to say "The Pastoral is the sixth among the symphonies Beethoven wrote" -- it is removing information (and making Wikipedia look uninformed). This is not merely the 95th ballad listed in the Child collection, it is "Child ballad number 95" just as the Pastoral is "Beethoven's Sixth Symphony." Goldfritha 15:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
After some minor copy editing, here are my comments:
<ref name="[...]"/>
tags, so, for example, there are two occurrences of the "Francis James Child, The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, v 2, p 346, Dover Publications, New York 1965" ref, instead of one with "a" and "b" links.Kakofonous ( talk) 00:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 02:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
The current version of the article states that the idea of the convict being male was a unique innovation of the Led Zeppelin version. In fact, this is the case in Dylan's "Seven Curses" and in the version of "Ana Thea" performed by Dayle Stanley (and, I would assume, Judy Collins). It is probably a very, very old variant. Sojambi Pinola ( talk) 17:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I simply don't know how to add citations, and I don't have time right now. I found information on the Dylan/Collins variants in the book "Revolution in the air: the songs of Bob Dylan 1957-1973" by Clinton Heylin, p 135-136. This is now mentioned in two places in the article.
The Dayle Stanley information comes from the actual album, which is Squire Records # SQ-33002. This rendition is currently up on youtube. Sojambi Pinola ( talk) 18:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
There is enough material on the Led Zeppelin version to support a separate article. I propose moving this material to Gallows Pole (Led Zeppelin) and reducing the material on the current page to a brief summary with a "see main" template directed to the new page. This will also allow the new page to contain categories not appropriate for this page. Thoughts? bd2412 T 19:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
While I know that fans see everything through rose-tinted glasses I find the claim that some mediocre band from the 1970s has produced "the most famous version" of this ballad highly problematic. Also that it is "the most familiar version today." According to who? Please provide third-source citations to prove this, otherwise I request it be removed. Xenomorph erotica ( talk) 21:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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... but I had always understood that it was her (i.e. the sister) swinging from the gallows pole in the last verse. That of course takes the song in an even darker direction. Is there an authoritative source? Search engine finds no authoritative version. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
It's far from clear from the article to which extent the many versions share the melody. For some versions, only lyrics may be known, but it must be possible to say more.-- Nø ( talk) 09:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
[moved from Composition section where it was added 6/04/2020] [1]:
NOTE: Fred Gerlach, as a 100% Master Guitar Builder (not a luthier, dad never built a Lute) plays this particular version of Gallows Pole exclusively on his custom made handmade jumbo dreadnought 12-string guitars using full finger-style picking technique as Jimi Page uses a single plectrum. Therefore, Jimi Page's re-arrangement of Fred Gerlach's version of Gallows Pole has been commercially altered for pure entertainment purposes as a short example of the "sense" of Fred Gerlach's recording with Folkways Records and in no way exposes the true skill required to play this version of Gallows Pole correctly. Thank You - David Gerlach, only son of Fred Gerlach. San Diego, California (April 6th 2020).
— Ojorojo ( talk) 15:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi !
(english is not my native language : I'm french)
I'm waiting in my cold cell when the bell begins to chime
Reflecting on my past life and it doesn't have much time
Cos at 5 o'clock they take me to the Gallows Pole
The sands of time for me are running low
Those four lines are the first lines of " Hallowed_Be_Thy_Name_(song)" from Iron Maiden
As I was searching the meaning of "Gallows Pole", I found this WP page so I would suggest this page should mention this song.
Hallowed Be Thy Name by Iron Maiden at the Beast Over Hammersmith Performance 1982.
-- 90.108.155.64 ( talk) 18:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Prickilie Bush and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 2 § Prickilie Bush until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Laun chba ller 07:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
The Maid Freed from the Gallows was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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Having made some additions to this page I returned to find they had been removed without discussion! I have been polite enough to to raise my ideas on this board before making changes. I wish others would do the same!-- 86.135.56.47 ( talk) 15:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Having suggested the addition of the Led Zep Lyrics and other changes (see below) there have been no comments in over a month. I have now made the changes and have included references to the lyrics the banjo and chord progression. -- ManInStone 09:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions the stinged instruments used for their version of the film, but negelects to mention that a banjo is used.
I would suggest adding the song full lyrics of the Led Zep version. There should not be a copyright issue as it is credited on the album as a traditional song.
[Copyright infringement removed]
I think there are only three chords in the song (variations of A and majors of D and G). -- ManInStone 13:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a question about the lyrics to the end of the Zepplin version; where are they sourced from? I have always heard it as "SHE is swinging from the gallows pole" (i.e. the sister) and understood that treachery to be why the hangman is laughing so hard. I just listened to it again and still here "she is" rather than "see you". Any thoughts? Lordjim13 ( talk) 17:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
With all due respect, I don't believe this should be resolved. I have listened to this song for many years and in different formats. The lyrics are 'She is swingin from the Gallows Pole'. It does make lyrical sense because it is irony. The sister sleeps with the Hangman and the Hangman replaces the protagonist with the sister. It is implied then that the protagonist is free while the sister is hanging from the gallows pole. The only one who could really resolve this issue is Robert Plant. JL- 12/03/09. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/21:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The current version of the article states that the idea of the convict being male was a unique innovation of the Led Zeppelin version. In fact, this is the case in Dylan's "Seven Curses" and in the version of "Ana Thea" performed by Dayle Stanley (and, I would assume, Judy Collins). It is probably a very, very old variant.
I don't think the merge is needed, or indeed wise, as one is about a specific group's song and the other the folkloric one.
But, certainly the "merge from" is wrong. "The Maid Freed from the Gallows" is the older and therefore its variant, if appearing in the same article, should fall under it, and not the other way around. Goldfritha 02:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I concur. -- AsaRoast 23:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
By the accounts I have seen, "Gallows Pole" is Leadbelly's version of it. Which is to say, "Gallows Pole" is not the title of a centuries-old song, any more than "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" is the title of a centuries-old fairy tale -- both are the titles of twentieth century adaptions of the folk version. Goldfritha 23:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I think this has worked out well - in fact, I think we have a potential featured article on our hands! bd2412 T 00:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Should Derry Gaol really redirect here? It would be preferable for Derry Gaol--the actual place--to have an article (or at least a stub) at that location. Redlinks (or now former redlinks) meant to point to the place now point to this song. Robert K S 19:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Please check out Wikipedia:Peer review/The Maid Freed from the Gallows/archive1. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The revision to make the lede more accessible removed the phrase "Child ballad number 95".
I have put it back in, and no revision should take it out.
Removing it is like altering a sentence that says "The Pastoral is Beethoven's Sixth Symphony" to say "The Pastoral is the sixth among the symphonies Beethoven wrote" -- it is removing information (and making Wikipedia look uninformed). This is not merely the 95th ballad listed in the Child collection, it is "Child ballad number 95" just as the Pastoral is "Beethoven's Sixth Symphony." Goldfritha 15:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Image:GallowsPole-Leadbelly.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
After some minor copy editing, here are my comments:
<ref name="[...]"/>
tags, so, for example, there are two occurrences of the "Francis James Child, The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, v 2, p 346, Dover Publications, New York 1965" ref, instead of one with "a" and "b" links.Kakofonous ( talk) 00:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 02:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
The current version of the article states that the idea of the convict being male was a unique innovation of the Led Zeppelin version. In fact, this is the case in Dylan's "Seven Curses" and in the version of "Ana Thea" performed by Dayle Stanley (and, I would assume, Judy Collins). It is probably a very, very old variant. Sojambi Pinola ( talk) 17:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I simply don't know how to add citations, and I don't have time right now. I found information on the Dylan/Collins variants in the book "Revolution in the air: the songs of Bob Dylan 1957-1973" by Clinton Heylin, p 135-136. This is now mentioned in two places in the article.
The Dayle Stanley information comes from the actual album, which is Squire Records # SQ-33002. This rendition is currently up on youtube. Sojambi Pinola ( talk) 18:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
There is enough material on the Led Zeppelin version to support a separate article. I propose moving this material to Gallows Pole (Led Zeppelin) and reducing the material on the current page to a brief summary with a "see main" template directed to the new page. This will also allow the new page to contain categories not appropriate for this page. Thoughts? bd2412 T 19:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
While I know that fans see everything through rose-tinted glasses I find the claim that some mediocre band from the 1970s has produced "the most famous version" of this ballad highly problematic. Also that it is "the most familiar version today." According to who? Please provide third-source citations to prove this, otherwise I request it be removed. Xenomorph erotica ( talk) 21:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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... but I had always understood that it was her (i.e. the sister) swinging from the gallows pole in the last verse. That of course takes the song in an even darker direction. Is there an authoritative source? Search engine finds no authoritative version. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
It's far from clear from the article to which extent the many versions share the melody. For some versions, only lyrics may be known, but it must be possible to say more.-- Nø ( talk) 09:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
[moved from Composition section where it was added 6/04/2020] [1]:
NOTE: Fred Gerlach, as a 100% Master Guitar Builder (not a luthier, dad never built a Lute) plays this particular version of Gallows Pole exclusively on his custom made handmade jumbo dreadnought 12-string guitars using full finger-style picking technique as Jimi Page uses a single plectrum. Therefore, Jimi Page's re-arrangement of Fred Gerlach's version of Gallows Pole has been commercially altered for pure entertainment purposes as a short example of the "sense" of Fred Gerlach's recording with Folkways Records and in no way exposes the true skill required to play this version of Gallows Pole correctly. Thank You - David Gerlach, only son of Fred Gerlach. San Diego, California (April 6th 2020).
— Ojorojo ( talk) 15:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi !
(english is not my native language : I'm french)
I'm waiting in my cold cell when the bell begins to chime
Reflecting on my past life and it doesn't have much time
Cos at 5 o'clock they take me to the Gallows Pole
The sands of time for me are running low
Those four lines are the first lines of " Hallowed_Be_Thy_Name_(song)" from Iron Maiden
As I was searching the meaning of "Gallows Pole", I found this WP page so I would suggest this page should mention this song.
Hallowed Be Thy Name by Iron Maiden at the Beast Over Hammersmith Performance 1982.
-- 90.108.155.64 ( talk) 18:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Prickilie Bush and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 2 § Prickilie Bush until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Laun chba ller 07:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)