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I mean, Jacob Tremblay already began recording his lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BestDaysofMusic ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
This film should be a Disney+ original film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.222.83.87 ( talk) 03:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
It should be mentioned about racism in this film: black Ariel wants to be a human, and she doesn't have a voice. I think this is a big spit towards BLM and Afro-Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.88.221.86 ( talk) 18:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
The reception says that “critics” reviewed the trailer with “mixed-to-negative reception”, but the references listed aren’t critics reviewing the trailer. I would fix this but i’m not on desktop right now so i just wanted to point it out 𝙨𝙥𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧-𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙗𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚(🕷) - (✉) 23:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I feel like this section isn't properly fleshed out. It doesn't really explain what the controversy is. Why were people upset with Halle Bailey? Byconcept ( talk) 03:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Can you believe this? The sources for the controversy regarding Ariel's race is made up of meta-responses to the controversy. WHERE IS THE SOURCE MATERIAL?! DON'T GIVE ME A LINK TO TREVOR NOAH! TREVOR NOAH DIDN'T DISLIKE ARIEL BEING BLACK! GIVE ME A LINK TO THE PEOPLE WHO SAID ARIEL SHOULDN'T BE BLACK! Oh, and yeah, sweeping the controversy under the rug ain't gonna cut it either. I know you control Wikipedia, but still... — Preceding
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"After the release of the trailer, videos of Black girls positively reacting to it went viral."
Is there some legitimate, neutral, encyclopedic, grammatically correct reason why "black" is capitalized in that sentence? If that is allowed, are editors then allowed to capitalize "white" on Wikipedia as well? 47.12.161.150 ( talk) 08:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
White is capitalised the article also. Not understanding why you made this. If there’s inconsistencies, just change it. Corona1112 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I've recently removed the sequel section due to it being sourced to a fan site and the edit was reverted by an IP without explanation. Again without explanation, the same IP reverted another IP who removed it because "They were overreaching. Let the movie begin first". I also removed it a few months ago, but it was reverted by Chucheraya20 who wrote in their edit summary: "Do NOT Delete information". Neither reverts seem justified as they fail to provide an adequate reason for why this content should be included. Furthermore, TheDisInsider (the source used) is a blatantly unreliable source. It calls itself "an unofficial fan site", and their jobs are unpaid and experience is "preferred but not necessary". Thoughts? Pamzeis ( talk) 00:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
A poll conducted from July 8–10, 2022, from Hollywood Reporter/Morning Consult found that just under half of Americans supported the idea of minorities playing the roles of characters who had been cast as white. When asked "Thinking about live-action movie remakes of classic cartoons, do you support or oppose actors who are racial and ethnic minorities playing characters who have been white in past films?", 48% answered "strongly" or "somewhat" support, 21% said "strongly" or "somewhat" oppose, while 31% either did not know or had no opinion. The same poll also found a majority in support of remakes that are "as close to their original as possible, including sticking to the race and ethnicity of each character."
When I click the link for the above source it says 48% say movies should stick to race and ethnicity of character while 25% say they should increase diversity even if it means changing the race/ethnicity of characters. It seems like the source provided for the above disagrees with what the above says. 2600:1700:1B00:15FF:A5AF:D374:3B5:CCB1 ( talk) 14:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Did you mean to say Halle Berry when you wrote Bailey? Fluffylover1 ( talk) 22:03, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
I know controversy sections are not exactly welcome on Wikipedia, and furthermore, as the section itself reveals, there wasn't even a controversy, just a bunch of racists on twitter raising a stink. This entire section needs to be reworded or removed. 46.97.170.112 ( talk) 14:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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It really should be its own section. The "Production" section should remain focused on the making of the film, and the Internet criticism and related commentary is too tangential to belong. Furthermore, the coverage about the matter was not just isolated to a specific month or week. I see a couple of articles about it from 2020 here and here. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 16:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
One of the sources of the articles list the statement "mermaids allegedly can not be Black as they are underwater creatures" as being from a "troll." How is 1 troll saying something a legitimate form of criticism, or amount to controversy? The source from the article for "a Black mermaid does not adhere to historical accuracy" was simply "Some" and also listed a few tweets that had nothing to do with historical accuracy and didn't even have links to the tweets or user names mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dendritope ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Sardinia is the 47th island for surface in the world, it's not a town or a little rock, so it would be necessary to be more precise: the movie has been filmed in 4 municipalities along the northern coast of the island: -Santa Teresa di Gallura -Aglientu -Castelsardo -Golfo Aranci 62.10.240.36 ( talk) 19:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding Ursula's part under controversy; should be further clarified that the 1989 cartoon's appearance only was based on the drag performer. Original character inspiration (the sea witch from the original story) and voice acting from cartoon had nothing to do with people being upset that a woman got the role. 2601:740:8000:7B0:BA1:92C7:B707:33AB ( talk) 16:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Near the beginning where it discusses critics praised the performances of… Diggs’ name should be removed this is false. Even in the reviews listed he is not well praised. Take his name out of this section. It’s not cited and not true. Thank you. 2600:6C5E:5B3F:FA42:6CFF:47B5:AE3C:F485 ( talk) 09:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
So, according to this List of most-disliked YouTube videos article, there are two movie trailers that gained millions of dislikes on YouTube, i.e. a Hollywood movie The Little Mermaid and an Indian movie Sadak 2. This fact should also be mentioned on this page too. Here are some external sources for referencing: Newsweek and Cosmic Book News. To those who cannot see the number of dislikes on YouTube, FYI: you can install a browser add-on (like for example "Return YouTube Dislikes" extension on Firefox desktop) to be able to view the (hidden) number of dislikes for each video. Gahipaj135 ( talk) 02:45, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I saw the film recently. Now I'm unsure if it's because of a different localization, but when I saw the film, the Prince, Eric, speak of Europe in a way in which makes it appeear as an outside part, at least to me. In the sense, there is a scene in which he's talking to his mother and he says something like "They use them in Europe as medicinals" which to me appeared to convey what I said above, that they aren't in Europe but in another part of the world. For this I'm asking if the Mediterranean sea is indeed really confirmed to be the setting of the film. 84.220.218.104 ( talk) 22:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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“ The film has so far performed poorly at the box office, grossing over $236 million worldwide against a total production budget of $250 million (excluding marketing and other costs).[2] Deadline Hollywood has estimated that the film will need to gross around $560 million worldwide in order to break-even.[6]”
This quote above is made up and not factually backed. 2600:1011:B18A:253B:C4D9:1411:BEE5:16E1 ( talk) 12:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Yesterday, international box office outside top 40 countries was a less than $200K. This morning it grows up to 70M, but also reduced to 69M during the day. What does it mean? 77.244.17.100 ( talk) 15:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Total Production cost needs to have an additional global marketing cost of $140 Million. It was not just $250 Million.
https://movieweb.com/the-little-mermaid-box-office-success/#:~:text=With%20a%20%24250%20million%20production,reach%20its%20break%2Deven%20threshold. 2603:6011:E500:76F0:DDE:FB0C:9DC9:963B ( talk) 20:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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Murilo breda ( talk) 01:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
The total budget was nearly 400M, including marketing, and not 250M, as the page says
As per the source added above, I am seeing $400 million being floated around in sources:
Sources have also mentioned higher amounts:
I understand this is a sensitive topic, but we can't not include what financial experts are saying here based on the amount spent and how the industry works. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Writing as someone with a history degree, I think that bad-faith-acting, concern-trolling racists confuse (whether stupidly or maliciously) "historical accuracy" with "adherence to the original materials" (Andersen's fictional story, which by definition can not be "historically accurate"). I think we wikipedians should not accept racists' framing; and should reword "does not adhere to historical accuracy" to "does not adhere to Anderson's original materials". Erminwin ( talk) 16:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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I propose that the section about the film's music and soundtrack be split into a separate page called The Little Mermaid (2023 soundtrack). The content of the section is only marginally related to the main article, and this section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page. 223.178.86.76 ( talk) 19:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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It should be added the 140 millón of marketing costs of the movie, which has been one of the highest in the last years. 189.146.133.166 ( talk) 11:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the content from X to Y in the music section:
X: On March 17, 2017, it was announced that Alan Menken, who previously scored and co-wrote songs for the original film, would return as the film's composer and to write new songs alongside producer Lin-Manuel Miranda. [1] Three months later, Menken stated that his work on the film's music had been put on hold due to Miranda and Marc Platt's schedules with Mary Poppins Returns. [2] On May 20, 2019, Menken stated that The Little Mermaid would be his next project, following the release of the live-action adaptation of Aladdin, [3] and on July 9, he and Miranda started working on new songs for the film. [4] On replacing the original film's lyricist, the late Howard Ashman, Miranda felt that "[he] will definitely fall short" to Ashman's work, arguing that "no one can write like him". [5] On January 16, 2020, Halle Bailey confirmed that the song " Part of Your World", from the original film, will appear in the remake. [6] On February 10, 2020, Miranda revealed that he and Menken wrote four new songs for the film. [7] On February 19, 2021, Menken said that the new songs would be a "blend" of his and Miranda's styles. He elaborated that the songs would feature "some rapping" in the vein of Miranda's previous works, as well as a closer style to his usual work. [8] Menken also stated that he updated the lyrics to "Kiss the Girl" and "Poor Unfortunate Souls" to reflect modern times. [9]
On September 22, 2021, Menken sat down with Disney's For Scores podcast and confirmed that the film will feature four new songs. He also recalled that Miranda was "daunted" by the prospect of following on in the footsteps of the late Howard Ashman, the lyricist who worked with Menken to write the original film's songs. [10] On November 24, 2021, in an interview with Collider, Miranda talked about his admiration for The Little Mermaid and how Ashman and Menken helped shape his childhood. He said:
"Oh, man. So much of my work on The Little Mermaid was that wish fulfillment. I actually didn't write any new songs for Sebastian the Crab because I love his songs so much. I was like, 'I can't. Nope, not me. I can't do it.' I did get to write for some of the other characters in that movie. Every song you love in The Little Mermaid is still in The Little Mermaid, we just found some new moments to musicalise. That's really tricky."
— Lin-Manuel Miranda [11]
On January 20, 2022, Bailey spoke with Stylecater, saying that she was so emotional while filming " Part of Your World". [12] She said:
"It was really surreal to film. It was really emotional for me. It was three days of intense being all over the place. I was crying the whole time because I was just like, 'What the heck?' We're all connected to that song and it means a lot to each of us."
— Halle Bailey
On February 17, 2022, during a podcast interview with Variety, Miranda revealed that one of the new songs for the live-action film, "For the First Time", will take place when Ariel is on land in her human form. He also revealed that star Daveed Diggs might rap in the film. This was confirmed later on March 31, 2023, by Menken, revealing the title of the new rap song as "The Scuttlebutt". He described it as a "harebrained" song for Scuttle and Sebastian "…trying to figure out what's going on because they hear rumors that the prince has decided to marry. They think it must be Ariel but of course it's Ursula in the form of Vanessa. It's all this delicious imagination. Lin's lyrics are to die for." [13] [14] [15] [16]
Menken then provided more details on the new songs, revealing that the first of the four that was written during the film's development was a solo for Prince Eric, "Wild Unchartered Waters", resulting from Marshall wanting "…a new song for this moment of waves and all the wildness of what's out there in the ocean…[Ariel] represented that to [Prince Eric]; she being the girl who saved his life. Live action films are really a director's medium." He then revealed that the fourth song did not make the final cut and was supposed to be a new song for King Triton entitled "Impossible Child", as he and the filmmakers felt that it "dramaturgically" was not needed, but did say that the song would be released to the public at a later date, possibly on the film's home media release. The song was featured as an additional track on a physical version of the soundtrack released as a HSN exclusive. [17] Some of the lyrics for " Poor Unfortunate Souls" and " Kiss the Girl" were updated as well, with Menken explaining that for "Kiss the Girl", it was because "people have gotten very sensitive about the idea that [Prince Eric] would, in any way, force himself on [Ariel]," while that for "Poor Unfortunate Souls", it was because of "…lines that might make young girls somehow feel that they shouldn't speak out of turn, even though Ursula is clearly manipulating Ariel to give up her voice." [18] [16]
Two songs from the original film were cut: "Daughters of Triton", sung by Ariel's sisters and " Les Poissons", sung by the character of Eric's french cook Chef Louis, who also was cut from the film. Menken explained the reasons for cutting the former, saying that it felt "not needed" given the new approach the filmmakers gave to the sisters, and that they wanted the film to begin "with a much more of a live-action feel of the ocean and meeting Ariel, and then we wait a little bit, make you wait until we get to 'Part of Your World.' And I think that was, you know, it was an amazing choice because it just builds the power and anticipation." [19] On cutting the latter, Marshall explained "It's literally a Saturday morning cartoon section. If we had filmed it – I don't know how we would've filmed it –- it never would have played. It's also a vacation from the story and has nothing to do with the story, so you can't do that in a live-action film." [20]
The soundtrack album was made available to pre-save and pre-order on March 13, 2023, and was released digitally on May 19, and on CD and vinyl on May 26, 2023, by Walt Disney Records. [21] [22] Bailey's version of "Part of Your World" was released as a digital download single on April 26, 2023, one month before the film's release, [23] as well as the Korean version by Danielle of NewJeans. [24]
In June 2023, the soundtrack reached number 1 on the Billboard Top Soundtracks chart, and number 21 on the Billboard 200. [25]
Y: Alan Menken, who previously scored and co-wrote songs for the original film, returned as the film's composer and also co-wrote new songs alongside producer Lin-Manuel Miranda. [26] He started working on the new songs on July 2019, [27] and had completed within February 2020. [28] who described it as a "blend" of his and Miranda's styles and would feature "some rapping" in the vein of Miranda's previous works, [29] as well as a closer style to his usual work. [8] Menken also stated that he updated the lyrics to "Kiss the Girl" and "Poor Unfortunate Souls" to reflect modern times. [30] The album also featured the song " Part of Your World", from the original film, with Bailey performing. [6] Two songs from the original film, "Daughters of Triton" and " Les Poissons" were cut from the film. [31] [32]
The soundtrack was announced on March 13, 2023, for pre-save and pre-order, which was set for a digital release on May 19, [33] and a physical release on May 26 by Walt Disney Records. [34] Bailey's version of "Part of Your World" preceded as the lead single from the album on April 26, 2023, one month before the film's release, [35] as well as the Korean version by Danielle of NewJeans. [36] In June 2023, the soundtrack reached number 1 on the Billboard Top Soundtracks chart, and number 21 on the Billboard 200. [37] 223.178.80.43 ( talk) 11:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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(…) The film has grossed $503 million worldwide against a total production budget of $250 million and an advertisement budget of $140 million, becoming (…) Wikiih ( talk) 08:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
It is 560 million and that is what the linked article says. This page used to accurately reflect that. You changed it to 467 million which is coincidentally exactly the same as the total box office take. 74.105.97.230 ( talk) 12:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
This film received generally unfavorable reviews from critics and is considered to be the one of the worst films ever made. 2001:48F8:300B:3DB:2011:8BBD:F42F:6A77 ( talk) 08:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I renamed the section "Casting of Ariel" and moved it under the "Reception" section. It's literally the reception (of both sides, as it should) of the casting of Halle Bailey as Ariel. I thought removing the word "controversy" would make the section more neutral. It was undid and now I am here to open up a discussion on if "Casting controversy" is the right choice of wording or is it pushing a point of view. Mike Allen 01:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 14:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Sections or article titles should generally not include the word "controversies". Instead, titles should simply name the event, for example, "2009 boycott" or "Hunting incident". The word "controversy" should not appear in the title except in the rare situations when it has become part of the commonly accepted name for the event, such as Creation–evolution controversy.
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The wikipedia article says the film has been successful at the box office. I loved the film, but that is simply not true. It did okay in the US, but almost everywhere else it flopped. Bombed hard in South Korea, Bombed hard in China, Bombed hard in India and across Asia to be honest. In Europe it also disappointed, grossing less than comparable films like 'Aladdin' or 'Cinderella'. In Latin America it also did meh.
Outside of the US, the film grossed 68 million on it's opening weekend, which is considerably less than the second weekend of 'Fast X' which had 89 million. This means outside of the US, in most countries 'The Little Mermaid opened in second place.
According to most reputable Box Office trackers, such as Charlie Jatinder [6] it is looking like it will end up grossing between $500 million and $525 million worldwide when it's run is over. Keep in mind that out of that 500-525 million, a little less than half will go to theaters, and the rest goes to studios. Also, the budget was reported by Variety as $250 million production and $100 million marketing, for $350 million total budget. The conventional wisdom is that movie needs to make 2.5 times it's budget to be a success, and 'The Little Mermaid' is highly unlikely to reach that.
This largely means that by theatrical revenue it will not be profitable, and will need to rely on things like ancillary revenues and streaming to break even. This is in contrast to previous live-action remakes like 'Aladdin' 'The Lion King' 'Cinderella' 'Alice in Wonderland' 'Beauty and the Beast', which were profitable from just theatrical revenue.
For the time being, instead of just pretending The Little Mermaid is a success, I think the wiki should say how much The Little Mermaid has made, but without calling it a success, because it's unclear if it is a success yet. That could end up being a premature call. Just because it's being called a success by news publications and trades like Deadline or Variety, which want to keep their insider access to Disney doesn't mean it's actually a success yet. People don't want to hear this, but there's been nothing to indicate that 'The Little Mermaid' is successful at the Box Office yet, and we will have to see if it could be, but it isn't looking good so far given the extremely high budget. 73.246.35.189 ( talk) 19:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Could please somebody correct the section where it is stated that it is the 5th most successful film of all time at the box office for Memorial Day. In fact, the film is inflation adjusted on a solid 20th. Incredibly, still better than Star Wars Episode VI. https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/holiday-4-day-all-movies-infl-adj/memorial-day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.97.122.33 ( talk) 20:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
comma should go after "shipwreck." It's near the opening paragraph, at the end of one of the introductory ones. The sentence that describes Ariel TEMPORARILY trading her voice for human legs, to impress Prince Eric, whom she saved from a shipwreck.
Since the time limit has to do with Ariel's deal with Ursula, then the sentence, without that comma, could also be interpreted as Ariel having saved Eric from a shipwreck before [his] time ran out.
Thanks. 99.229.43.127 ( talk) 18:25, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
On May 19, 2023, Marshall revealed that his work on Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (which featured a mermaid character named Tamara) helped influence his work on The Little Mermaid
This is the first sentence regarding the Pirates influence over The Little Mermaid. Not that I disagree, given the apparent connection betweeen productions, but can we exclude the bit about Tamara or at least make clear she is not the mermaid "featured" in the film. Yes, as the original article source states, Tamara is the first mermaid to appear in the film, but the mermaid featured in the film is actually Syrena. Either clarifying the above sentence with this information or the removal of the parenthesized information would suffice. 147.124.239.44 ( talk) 20:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
In the opening section it says that the film was criticized regarding the "character designs" - but I can't see that being mentioned in the section about reception. -- Beardo ( talk) 21:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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I'd like to change the budget for this movie to 300 million dollars. My source for this is a recent article by Forbes. [1] 2600:1700:DB37:4010:10B4:3907:39C3:84CF ( talk) 21:33, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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The film now classifies as a box-office bomb with the budget going 300 million. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/10/02/disney-sinks-300-million-into-over-budget-little-mermaid-movie/?sh=7fd349d64b56 A00837420 ( talk) 05:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the box office, I believe the film's box office projections could be on the page. I included this but they removed it saying it wasn't relevant. But, in the specific case of this film, I believe it is relevant because many have doubts as to whether the film did well at the box office or not, so it would be important to include the projections. It's a sugestion. JoãoRI ( talk) 14:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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I mean, Jacob Tremblay already began recording his lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BestDaysofMusic ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
This film should be a Disney+ original film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.222.83.87 ( talk) 03:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
It should be mentioned about racism in this film: black Ariel wants to be a human, and she doesn't have a voice. I think this is a big spit towards BLM and Afro-Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.88.221.86 ( talk) 18:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
The reception says that “critics” reviewed the trailer with “mixed-to-negative reception”, but the references listed aren’t critics reviewing the trailer. I would fix this but i’m not on desktop right now so i just wanted to point it out 𝙨𝙥𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧-𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙚-𝙗𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚(🕷) - (✉) 23:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I feel like this section isn't properly fleshed out. It doesn't really explain what the controversy is. Why were people upset with Halle Bailey? Byconcept ( talk) 03:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Can you believe this? The sources for the controversy regarding Ariel's race is made up of meta-responses to the controversy. WHERE IS THE SOURCE MATERIAL?! DON'T GIVE ME A LINK TO TREVOR NOAH! TREVOR NOAH DIDN'T DISLIKE ARIEL BEING BLACK! GIVE ME A LINK TO THE PEOPLE WHO SAID ARIEL SHOULDN'T BE BLACK! Oh, and yeah, sweeping the controversy under the rug ain't gonna cut it either. I know you control Wikipedia, but still... — Preceding
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"After the release of the trailer, videos of Black girls positively reacting to it went viral."
Is there some legitimate, neutral, encyclopedic, grammatically correct reason why "black" is capitalized in that sentence? If that is allowed, are editors then allowed to capitalize "white" on Wikipedia as well? 47.12.161.150 ( talk) 08:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
White is capitalised the article also. Not understanding why you made this. If there’s inconsistencies, just change it. Corona1112 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I've recently removed the sequel section due to it being sourced to a fan site and the edit was reverted by an IP without explanation. Again without explanation, the same IP reverted another IP who removed it because "They were overreaching. Let the movie begin first". I also removed it a few months ago, but it was reverted by Chucheraya20 who wrote in their edit summary: "Do NOT Delete information". Neither reverts seem justified as they fail to provide an adequate reason for why this content should be included. Furthermore, TheDisInsider (the source used) is a blatantly unreliable source. It calls itself "an unofficial fan site", and their jobs are unpaid and experience is "preferred but not necessary". Thoughts? Pamzeis ( talk) 00:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
A poll conducted from July 8–10, 2022, from Hollywood Reporter/Morning Consult found that just under half of Americans supported the idea of minorities playing the roles of characters who had been cast as white. When asked "Thinking about live-action movie remakes of classic cartoons, do you support or oppose actors who are racial and ethnic minorities playing characters who have been white in past films?", 48% answered "strongly" or "somewhat" support, 21% said "strongly" or "somewhat" oppose, while 31% either did not know or had no opinion. The same poll also found a majority in support of remakes that are "as close to their original as possible, including sticking to the race and ethnicity of each character."
When I click the link for the above source it says 48% say movies should stick to race and ethnicity of character while 25% say they should increase diversity even if it means changing the race/ethnicity of characters. It seems like the source provided for the above disagrees with what the above says. 2600:1700:1B00:15FF:A5AF:D374:3B5:CCB1 ( talk) 14:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Did you mean to say Halle Berry when you wrote Bailey? Fluffylover1 ( talk) 22:03, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
I know controversy sections are not exactly welcome on Wikipedia, and furthermore, as the section itself reveals, there wasn't even a controversy, just a bunch of racists on twitter raising a stink. This entire section needs to be reworded or removed. 46.97.170.112 ( talk) 14:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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It really should be its own section. The "Production" section should remain focused on the making of the film, and the Internet criticism and related commentary is too tangential to belong. Furthermore, the coverage about the matter was not just isolated to a specific month or week. I see a couple of articles about it from 2020 here and here. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 16:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
One of the sources of the articles list the statement "mermaids allegedly can not be Black as they are underwater creatures" as being from a "troll." How is 1 troll saying something a legitimate form of criticism, or amount to controversy? The source from the article for "a Black mermaid does not adhere to historical accuracy" was simply "Some" and also listed a few tweets that had nothing to do with historical accuracy and didn't even have links to the tweets or user names mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dendritope ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Sardinia is the 47th island for surface in the world, it's not a town or a little rock, so it would be necessary to be more precise: the movie has been filmed in 4 municipalities along the northern coast of the island: -Santa Teresa di Gallura -Aglientu -Castelsardo -Golfo Aranci 62.10.240.36 ( talk) 19:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding Ursula's part under controversy; should be further clarified that the 1989 cartoon's appearance only was based on the drag performer. Original character inspiration (the sea witch from the original story) and voice acting from cartoon had nothing to do with people being upset that a woman got the role. 2601:740:8000:7B0:BA1:92C7:B707:33AB ( talk) 16:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Near the beginning where it discusses critics praised the performances of… Diggs’ name should be removed this is false. Even in the reviews listed he is not well praised. Take his name out of this section. It’s not cited and not true. Thank you. 2600:6C5E:5B3F:FA42:6CFF:47B5:AE3C:F485 ( talk) 09:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
So, according to this List of most-disliked YouTube videos article, there are two movie trailers that gained millions of dislikes on YouTube, i.e. a Hollywood movie The Little Mermaid and an Indian movie Sadak 2. This fact should also be mentioned on this page too. Here are some external sources for referencing: Newsweek and Cosmic Book News. To those who cannot see the number of dislikes on YouTube, FYI: you can install a browser add-on (like for example "Return YouTube Dislikes" extension on Firefox desktop) to be able to view the (hidden) number of dislikes for each video. Gahipaj135 ( talk) 02:45, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I saw the film recently. Now I'm unsure if it's because of a different localization, but when I saw the film, the Prince, Eric, speak of Europe in a way in which makes it appeear as an outside part, at least to me. In the sense, there is a scene in which he's talking to his mother and he says something like "They use them in Europe as medicinals" which to me appeared to convey what I said above, that they aren't in Europe but in another part of the world. For this I'm asking if the Mediterranean sea is indeed really confirmed to be the setting of the film. 84.220.218.104 ( talk) 22:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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“ The film has so far performed poorly at the box office, grossing over $236 million worldwide against a total production budget of $250 million (excluding marketing and other costs).[2] Deadline Hollywood has estimated that the film will need to gross around $560 million worldwide in order to break-even.[6]”
This quote above is made up and not factually backed. 2600:1011:B18A:253B:C4D9:1411:BEE5:16E1 ( talk) 12:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Yesterday, international box office outside top 40 countries was a less than $200K. This morning it grows up to 70M, but also reduced to 69M during the day. What does it mean? 77.244.17.100 ( talk) 15:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Total Production cost needs to have an additional global marketing cost of $140 Million. It was not just $250 Million.
https://movieweb.com/the-little-mermaid-box-office-success/#:~:text=With%20a%20%24250%20million%20production,reach%20its%20break%2Deven%20threshold. 2603:6011:E500:76F0:DDE:FB0C:9DC9:963B ( talk) 20:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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Murilo breda ( talk) 01:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
The total budget was nearly 400M, including marketing, and not 250M, as the page says
As per the source added above, I am seeing $400 million being floated around in sources:
Sources have also mentioned higher amounts:
I understand this is a sensitive topic, but we can't not include what financial experts are saying here based on the amount spent and how the industry works. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Writing as someone with a history degree, I think that bad-faith-acting, concern-trolling racists confuse (whether stupidly or maliciously) "historical accuracy" with "adherence to the original materials" (Andersen's fictional story, which by definition can not be "historically accurate"). I think we wikipedians should not accept racists' framing; and should reword "does not adhere to historical accuracy" to "does not adhere to Anderson's original materials". Erminwin ( talk) 16:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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I propose that the section about the film's music and soundtrack be split into a separate page called The Little Mermaid (2023 soundtrack). The content of the section is only marginally related to the main article, and this section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page. 223.178.86.76 ( talk) 19:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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It should be added the 140 millón of marketing costs of the movie, which has been one of the highest in the last years. 189.146.133.166 ( talk) 11:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the content from X to Y in the music section:
X: On March 17, 2017, it was announced that Alan Menken, who previously scored and co-wrote songs for the original film, would return as the film's composer and to write new songs alongside producer Lin-Manuel Miranda. [1] Three months later, Menken stated that his work on the film's music had been put on hold due to Miranda and Marc Platt's schedules with Mary Poppins Returns. [2] On May 20, 2019, Menken stated that The Little Mermaid would be his next project, following the release of the live-action adaptation of Aladdin, [3] and on July 9, he and Miranda started working on new songs for the film. [4] On replacing the original film's lyricist, the late Howard Ashman, Miranda felt that "[he] will definitely fall short" to Ashman's work, arguing that "no one can write like him". [5] On January 16, 2020, Halle Bailey confirmed that the song " Part of Your World", from the original film, will appear in the remake. [6] On February 10, 2020, Miranda revealed that he and Menken wrote four new songs for the film. [7] On February 19, 2021, Menken said that the new songs would be a "blend" of his and Miranda's styles. He elaborated that the songs would feature "some rapping" in the vein of Miranda's previous works, as well as a closer style to his usual work. [8] Menken also stated that he updated the lyrics to "Kiss the Girl" and "Poor Unfortunate Souls" to reflect modern times. [9]
On September 22, 2021, Menken sat down with Disney's For Scores podcast and confirmed that the film will feature four new songs. He also recalled that Miranda was "daunted" by the prospect of following on in the footsteps of the late Howard Ashman, the lyricist who worked with Menken to write the original film's songs. [10] On November 24, 2021, in an interview with Collider, Miranda talked about his admiration for The Little Mermaid and how Ashman and Menken helped shape his childhood. He said:
"Oh, man. So much of my work on The Little Mermaid was that wish fulfillment. I actually didn't write any new songs for Sebastian the Crab because I love his songs so much. I was like, 'I can't. Nope, not me. I can't do it.' I did get to write for some of the other characters in that movie. Every song you love in The Little Mermaid is still in The Little Mermaid, we just found some new moments to musicalise. That's really tricky."
— Lin-Manuel Miranda [11]
On January 20, 2022, Bailey spoke with Stylecater, saying that she was so emotional while filming " Part of Your World". [12] She said:
"It was really surreal to film. It was really emotional for me. It was three days of intense being all over the place. I was crying the whole time because I was just like, 'What the heck?' We're all connected to that song and it means a lot to each of us."
— Halle Bailey
On February 17, 2022, during a podcast interview with Variety, Miranda revealed that one of the new songs for the live-action film, "For the First Time", will take place when Ariel is on land in her human form. He also revealed that star Daveed Diggs might rap in the film. This was confirmed later on March 31, 2023, by Menken, revealing the title of the new rap song as "The Scuttlebutt". He described it as a "harebrained" song for Scuttle and Sebastian "…trying to figure out what's going on because they hear rumors that the prince has decided to marry. They think it must be Ariel but of course it's Ursula in the form of Vanessa. It's all this delicious imagination. Lin's lyrics are to die for." [13] [14] [15] [16]
Menken then provided more details on the new songs, revealing that the first of the four that was written during the film's development was a solo for Prince Eric, "Wild Unchartered Waters", resulting from Marshall wanting "…a new song for this moment of waves and all the wildness of what's out there in the ocean…[Ariel] represented that to [Prince Eric]; she being the girl who saved his life. Live action films are really a director's medium." He then revealed that the fourth song did not make the final cut and was supposed to be a new song for King Triton entitled "Impossible Child", as he and the filmmakers felt that it "dramaturgically" was not needed, but did say that the song would be released to the public at a later date, possibly on the film's home media release. The song was featured as an additional track on a physical version of the soundtrack released as a HSN exclusive. [17] Some of the lyrics for " Poor Unfortunate Souls" and " Kiss the Girl" were updated as well, with Menken explaining that for "Kiss the Girl", it was because "people have gotten very sensitive about the idea that [Prince Eric] would, in any way, force himself on [Ariel]," while that for "Poor Unfortunate Souls", it was because of "…lines that might make young girls somehow feel that they shouldn't speak out of turn, even though Ursula is clearly manipulating Ariel to give up her voice." [18] [16]
Two songs from the original film were cut: "Daughters of Triton", sung by Ariel's sisters and " Les Poissons", sung by the character of Eric's french cook Chef Louis, who also was cut from the film. Menken explained the reasons for cutting the former, saying that it felt "not needed" given the new approach the filmmakers gave to the sisters, and that they wanted the film to begin "with a much more of a live-action feel of the ocean and meeting Ariel, and then we wait a little bit, make you wait until we get to 'Part of Your World.' And I think that was, you know, it was an amazing choice because it just builds the power and anticipation." [19] On cutting the latter, Marshall explained "It's literally a Saturday morning cartoon section. If we had filmed it – I don't know how we would've filmed it –- it never would have played. It's also a vacation from the story and has nothing to do with the story, so you can't do that in a live-action film." [20]
The soundtrack album was made available to pre-save and pre-order on March 13, 2023, and was released digitally on May 19, and on CD and vinyl on May 26, 2023, by Walt Disney Records. [21] [22] Bailey's version of "Part of Your World" was released as a digital download single on April 26, 2023, one month before the film's release, [23] as well as the Korean version by Danielle of NewJeans. [24]
In June 2023, the soundtrack reached number 1 on the Billboard Top Soundtracks chart, and number 21 on the Billboard 200. [25]
Y: Alan Menken, who previously scored and co-wrote songs for the original film, returned as the film's composer and also co-wrote new songs alongside producer Lin-Manuel Miranda. [26] He started working on the new songs on July 2019, [27] and had completed within February 2020. [28] who described it as a "blend" of his and Miranda's styles and would feature "some rapping" in the vein of Miranda's previous works, [29] as well as a closer style to his usual work. [8] Menken also stated that he updated the lyrics to "Kiss the Girl" and "Poor Unfortunate Souls" to reflect modern times. [30] The album also featured the song " Part of Your World", from the original film, with Bailey performing. [6] Two songs from the original film, "Daughters of Triton" and " Les Poissons" were cut from the film. [31] [32]
The soundtrack was announced on March 13, 2023, for pre-save and pre-order, which was set for a digital release on May 19, [33] and a physical release on May 26 by Walt Disney Records. [34] Bailey's version of "Part of Your World" preceded as the lead single from the album on April 26, 2023, one month before the film's release, [35] as well as the Korean version by Danielle of NewJeans. [36] In June 2023, the soundtrack reached number 1 on the Billboard Top Soundtracks chart, and number 21 on the Billboard 200. [37] 223.178.80.43 ( talk) 11:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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(…) The film has grossed $503 million worldwide against a total production budget of $250 million and an advertisement budget of $140 million, becoming (…) Wikiih ( talk) 08:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
It is 560 million and that is what the linked article says. This page used to accurately reflect that. You changed it to 467 million which is coincidentally exactly the same as the total box office take. 74.105.97.230 ( talk) 12:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
This film received generally unfavorable reviews from critics and is considered to be the one of the worst films ever made. 2001:48F8:300B:3DB:2011:8BBD:F42F:6A77 ( talk) 08:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I renamed the section "Casting of Ariel" and moved it under the "Reception" section. It's literally the reception (of both sides, as it should) of the casting of Halle Bailey as Ariel. I thought removing the word "controversy" would make the section more neutral. It was undid and now I am here to open up a discussion on if "Casting controversy" is the right choice of wording or is it pushing a point of view. Mike Allen 01:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 14:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Sections or article titles should generally not include the word "controversies". Instead, titles should simply name the event, for example, "2009 boycott" or "Hunting incident". The word "controversy" should not appear in the title except in the rare situations when it has become part of the commonly accepted name for the event, such as Creation–evolution controversy.
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The wikipedia article says the film has been successful at the box office. I loved the film, but that is simply not true. It did okay in the US, but almost everywhere else it flopped. Bombed hard in South Korea, Bombed hard in China, Bombed hard in India and across Asia to be honest. In Europe it also disappointed, grossing less than comparable films like 'Aladdin' or 'Cinderella'. In Latin America it also did meh.
Outside of the US, the film grossed 68 million on it's opening weekend, which is considerably less than the second weekend of 'Fast X' which had 89 million. This means outside of the US, in most countries 'The Little Mermaid opened in second place.
According to most reputable Box Office trackers, such as Charlie Jatinder [6] it is looking like it will end up grossing between $500 million and $525 million worldwide when it's run is over. Keep in mind that out of that 500-525 million, a little less than half will go to theaters, and the rest goes to studios. Also, the budget was reported by Variety as $250 million production and $100 million marketing, for $350 million total budget. The conventional wisdom is that movie needs to make 2.5 times it's budget to be a success, and 'The Little Mermaid' is highly unlikely to reach that.
This largely means that by theatrical revenue it will not be profitable, and will need to rely on things like ancillary revenues and streaming to break even. This is in contrast to previous live-action remakes like 'Aladdin' 'The Lion King' 'Cinderella' 'Alice in Wonderland' 'Beauty and the Beast', which were profitable from just theatrical revenue.
For the time being, instead of just pretending The Little Mermaid is a success, I think the wiki should say how much The Little Mermaid has made, but without calling it a success, because it's unclear if it is a success yet. That could end up being a premature call. Just because it's being called a success by news publications and trades like Deadline or Variety, which want to keep their insider access to Disney doesn't mean it's actually a success yet. People don't want to hear this, but there's been nothing to indicate that 'The Little Mermaid' is successful at the Box Office yet, and we will have to see if it could be, but it isn't looking good so far given the extremely high budget. 73.246.35.189 ( talk) 19:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Could please somebody correct the section where it is stated that it is the 5th most successful film of all time at the box office for Memorial Day. In fact, the film is inflation adjusted on a solid 20th. Incredibly, still better than Star Wars Episode VI. https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/holiday-4-day-all-movies-infl-adj/memorial-day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.97.122.33 ( talk) 20:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
comma should go after "shipwreck." It's near the opening paragraph, at the end of one of the introductory ones. The sentence that describes Ariel TEMPORARILY trading her voice for human legs, to impress Prince Eric, whom she saved from a shipwreck.
Since the time limit has to do with Ariel's deal with Ursula, then the sentence, without that comma, could also be interpreted as Ariel having saved Eric from a shipwreck before [his] time ran out.
Thanks. 99.229.43.127 ( talk) 18:25, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
On May 19, 2023, Marshall revealed that his work on Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (which featured a mermaid character named Tamara) helped influence his work on The Little Mermaid
This is the first sentence regarding the Pirates influence over The Little Mermaid. Not that I disagree, given the apparent connection betweeen productions, but can we exclude the bit about Tamara or at least make clear she is not the mermaid "featured" in the film. Yes, as the original article source states, Tamara is the first mermaid to appear in the film, but the mermaid featured in the film is actually Syrena. Either clarifying the above sentence with this information or the removal of the parenthesized information would suffice. 147.124.239.44 ( talk) 20:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
In the opening section it says that the film was criticized regarding the "character designs" - but I can't see that being mentioned in the section about reception. -- Beardo ( talk) 21:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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I'd like to change the budget for this movie to 300 million dollars. My source for this is a recent article by Forbes. [1] 2600:1700:DB37:4010:10B4:3907:39C3:84CF ( talk) 21:33, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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The film now classifies as a box-office bomb with the budget going 300 million. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/10/02/disney-sinks-300-million-into-over-budget-little-mermaid-movie/?sh=7fd349d64b56 A00837420 ( talk) 05:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the box office, I believe the film's box office projections could be on the page. I included this but they removed it saying it wasn't relevant. But, in the specific case of this film, I believe it is relevant because many have doubts as to whether the film did well at the box office or not, so it would be important to include the projections. It's a sugestion. JoãoRI ( talk) 14:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)