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This article contains details about the song "All Day", which does not appear on the album. Should all content about this song be removed? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Ryan Vojtesak (aka Charlie Handsome) produced on Fade...his name should be added in the credits section for that record
DJ Dodger Stadium (Jerome Potter) should be credited for production too, as well as production on Feedback 4, Low Lights, Ultralight Beam and Father Stretch My Hands Pt 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.74.53 ( talk) 18:42, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't know where to put this so sorry, but the album is dropping today https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/698175350854021120 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.51.121.111 ( talk) 16:23, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:39, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
"The Life of Pablo is the seventh studio album by American rapper Kanye West. It will be released by GOOD Music, Roc-A-Fella Records and Def Jam Recordings on February 12, 2016, however this the release is subject to change to Martin Shkreli applied for acquisition of the album and publishing rights for the price of $10 million which will result in him having sole copy of the album and in the application Martin Shkreli has stated not to release the album commercially"
Ugh.... not only is the Martin Skhreli proposal extremely likely to be rejected (you really think Kanye would do that? Since the proposal was created he's said he's still releasing the album), but this is a terribly written sentence. I can't edit this but someone ought to fix this.
The proposal not only isn't likely to be accepted, it doesn't even need to be considered. Shkreli's legal argument is outright absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.22.127 ( talk) 16:35, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Earl Sweatshirt co-produced "Ultra Light Beams" as randomblackdude. Rtjfan ( talk) 01:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Here is a possible source for whoever suggested this: http://goodmusicallday.com/2016/02/kanye-west-life-of-pablo-album-tracklist/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.206.188 ( talk) 05:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Would help to clarify that it was released exclusively to stream through Tidal and exclusively to purchase through Kanye's website (www.kanyewest.com). Also may want to consider inputting notes on the rocky rollout and Tidal's intially incorrect track listing re: Fade and Facts. Initially the streaming and downloadable versions of the album had the same file for Facts (Charlie Heat Version) and Fade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maltease ( talk • contribs) 10:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
The howl before the Frank O. section comes from Nightcall by Kavinsky featuring Lovefoxxx from the Drive soundtrack. 64.147.210.162 ( talk) 19:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Appears so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_3Dpw-BRY — Preceding
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173.65.206.188 (
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05:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
According to this review - http://music.theaureview.com/reviews/kanye-west-the-life-of-pablo-2016-lp/ - the intro for "Ultralight Beam" featured an uncredited sample from a vine. Linked to in the review. [1]
I've added an "unreferenced section" tag to the Tracklisting section, which includes not only the tracklist but a long list of Notes and sample credits. Does the single Tidal inline citation really provide sufficient evidence for these many notes and credits? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Just wondering if it is correct to include the Telegraph review by Neil Cormick in the "Critical Reception" since that is not reviewing the released album, but instead the songs played at the Yeezy season 3 event. I know that event was supposed to be an album listening party, but in the end the released album has a lot of changes from the event, including 8 more songs.
The review is from the 12th of February. Seems weird to have that review for an album released the 14th of February. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorwikiroj ( talk • contribs) 09:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
The Telegraph's review should not be here. The critic could not have even had the full quality files to listen to before writing the "review". It's obvious the review was driven by the 24hour news cycle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WestIRL ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
The album did NOT receive "rave reviews". It clearly has gotten mixed reception. Just because you are a fan doesn't mean you have to be biased and overhype it when it hasn't been earned. Majority of reviews released thus far have been mixed. Even the star ratings in the article prove the same. It is such a lie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:4601:84D1:2C40:B57D:F2CC:62B5 ( talk) 23:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Update Metacritic to be be 74/100 out of 6 reviews' Olapecko ( talk) 01:16, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
All the featurings should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.51.39.165 ( talk) 19:21, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
To much Deans in tracklist. Need to clarify this point. -- Mr Jefferson ( talk) 03:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I think readers of this article will want to know something about what West has said, or not said, about the album's title. West explained to SNL staff backstage that he is "by 50 percent" more influential than many people name-dropped in the immediate aftermath of his album's release: "Stanley Kubrick, Picasso, Apostle Paul, fucking Picasso and Escobar ... By 50 percent more influential than any other human being." Not sure how relevant that is, but West clearly had these cultural inferiors in mind as he executed his project. Pablo indeed. Shouldn't this be noted? Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 12:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the last 5 tracks are bonus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.99.102.122 ( talk) 05:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the last 5 are bonus tracks either. -- ( talk) 05:38, 30 May 2016 (UTC)<
Under Track Listing for track number 5 under the writer(s) Marcus Byrd is linked to the wrong Marcus Byrd. He currently does not have a wiki page. Should be unlinked immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanikkap ( talk • contribs) 05:00, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Normally featured vocalists appear in the track listing itself, not a Notes section below. Is there a reason we display this information differently for this article? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:38, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I think the two covers are switched. The original cover is being portrayed as the alternate album art, and vice versa. Per the cited source, the cover with two photos is described as "Another Cover" whereas the cover that Wikipedia now lists as the alternate cover is described as "Cover by Peter de Potter"
http://hypetrak.com/2016/02/kanye-west-the-life-of-pablo-alternate-cover/
2605:E000:4DDB:FE00:8513:9AD0:6B93:5FA4 ( talk) 16:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi
Zlernersinsheimer (
talk ·
contribs), I am in agreement with you that the first album cover should be included in the article, along with the alternate cover which is now being used. I have uploaded the cover to Wikipedia:
[1]. However, I note that the dimensions of the image you posted may be more appropriate. Feel free to update it if you feel so. I have also found out that the reason the image was originally removed from the article was because it was erroneously described as an "almost replica of the actual cover art":
Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_April_20#File:The_Life_of_Pablo_.28Tidal_Front_Cover.29.png. Pending the current discussion of the deletion of the image based on the previous deletion, taking place here:
Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2017_July_13#File:Kanye-west-life-of-pablo-art-2016-billboard-650.jpg, my proposal is that it be included in the infobox, as is done with other articles of albums with alternate covers (for example:
Wolf (Tyler, The Creator album)). I agree that the image currently used in the article should be described as the alternate cover, with the new image used as the main album cover on the article.
Cjhard (
talk)
04:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey 2017NewYearNewMe ( talk · contribs), I don't disagree that the cover now used (almost?) exclusively for The Life of Pablo on streaming services is the "main" cover as far as you, I, and everyone else is concerned, but reliable sources say otherwise. And those sources are very reliable (Complex and Billboard). Were the sources weaker, I'd be inclined to WP:IGNORE all rules and accept that the more commonly used cover is the main one, with the original being the alternate. As it is, it seems more appropriate to accept that the original cover is the main cover, with the newer being the alternate, despite one being used more often than the other. I haven't been able to find reliable sources to explain that the newer cover is now more commonly used, but if you can, some explanation of that fact would be beneficial to the article. Cjhard ( talk) 05:35, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Up until yesterday the date in the infobox listed two dates. One for the February tidal release and one for the April general release. Recently that was changed by an editor who believed that this was no longer necessary since we had info about it in the article itself. I, however reverted the info believing that it still deserved to be covered in the info box. It was reverted back by another user who agreed with the previous user.
My issue is that the infobox provides users with a quick glance at the most important info about an album. For instance if I wanted to know the release date for Sophie B Hawkins second album, Whaler, I could look it up and see it was released in October 1994, and then move on. In this hypothetical I am not interested in anything els so I would not check the rest of the artcle at all, which works because the album did become widely available in October of 1994. The problem is that if I used the same method for Life of Pablo I would get info that, if not wrong, would not be telling the whole story.
I do not think it's excessive at all to have two release dates in the info box. One for the Tidal release and one for the general release. It's similar to how films are handled where if a film is released at a film festival before its general release it is listed under both release dates. (for a good example of this see Following (film))
I just wanted to bring this up for discussion so the majority could weigh in. -- Deathawk ( talk) 05:43, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Btw, there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim made here that there will be a physical release in June. 80.219.20.147 ( talk) 02:00, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
This looks good quality from a glance. Nobody has nominated the article yet, but would anyone like to assist me in GA nomination for this as a last-ditch attempt to keep this topic, considering I have no experience in hip-hop albums here? It's currently at WP:GTRC and it'd be a shame for it to fall so soon after it was promoted. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 19:23, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Kellymoat:, you reverted this edit, stating that there had been a consensus that it should be "seventh solo album and eighth studio album" rather than simply "seventh studio album". [2]
I was curious as to where that discussion is, as it does not appear to be on the talk page for this article. Thank you. Cjhard ( talk) 13:50, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
3O Response: I don't think the enumeration of Kanye albums needs to be in the lede sentence at all. Power~enwiki ( talk) 04:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
@ Kellymoat:, regarding your reversions of @ Bchris26:'s edits, 3O responses aren't binding and do not become the new consensus, so this discussion isn't a citable reason to undo a third party's edits. Also, I believe that Power~enwiki's solution is the least good option. @ Bchris26:, it appears you agree that the article should simply be described as Kanye's seventh studio album, could you provide Kellymoat with a short explanation?
Kellymoat, further reversions of this sentence on this article so soon after being banned for edit warring on this exact issue would likely be considered edit warring, are you now willing to discuss the issue or let it go? Cjhard ( talk) 21:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I've never voiced an opinion on what wording I personally feel is best. I didn't make the revert based on what I feel is best. I made the revert based on the previous consensus. Kellymoat ( talk) 03:11, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia's policy on consensus it doesn't matter if someone took it to the talk page. If you're trying to argue that there was consensus through editing, the fact that it was undone and keeps getting undone shows that it doesn't have consensus. (See WP:SILENCE)
If you're trying to argue that there was consensus through discussion, that requires persuasion through conversation. One person proffering a suggestion 3 years after the discussion ended is not "persuasion through conversation". Cjhard ( talk) 05:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment This is clearly already an edit war. If you can agree on a short phrasing (i.e. "seventh studio album"), use that. If you do not agree and insist on including this fact in the lede sentence, you should probably go for formal
WP:DRN at this point.
Power~enwiki (
talk)
21:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
If you want to squabble, at least follow protocol - the original stays until a final decision is agreed upon.
185.122.57.61 (
talk)
15:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Should the lead sentence describe the album as Kanye's "seventh solo album and eighth studio album"? Cjhard ( talk) 10:40, 17 July 2017 (UTC) Cjhard ( talk) 12:15, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Cjhard ( talk) 12:46, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Ss112, I'm considering closing this RfC, as Kellymoat was the only editor advocating for upholding the consensus that the lead sentence should be phrased in this way and they have now been banned indefinitely, and this RfC is really struggling to receive comments. I've outlined above why their perception of a consensus was erroneous, but I can understand if there's too much noise around it for it to be clear or worth reading, so I'm happy to go through it again. Given your experience in this field and your earlier acceptance of Kellymoat's view that there is a consensus, I figured your input would be helpful in the decision on whether to close this RfC and restore the pre-Kellymoat version of the post-Watch The Throne Kanye and Jay-Z album article lead sentences.
Cjhard (
talk)
05:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
(Seems I messed up the ping. Ss112 Cjhard ( talk) 23:02, 1 August 2017 (UTC))
Should the original tracklist be mentionned and included somewhere ? It's the album a lot of people heard first before Kanye edited the album — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craiko ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
West and numerous secondary sources have called this album gospel, so that can be kept as a genre alongside hip hop, as it is sourced and multiple gospel tracks are on the album. -- Kyle Peake ( talk) 06:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheAmazingPeanuts: In this case, I would evoke WP:IGNORE over MOS:TABLECAPTION since the table caption "The Life of Pablo track listing" right below the section header "Track listing" doesn't serve any purpose. It should be clear to the reader that the track list on this article pertains to the album the article is about. Since the table caption doesn't specify the section header any further, it is redundant. Throast ( talk | contribs) 09:59, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
So it seems that the sample for Waves was miscredited in the official credits posted on Kanye's website. Currently on the page it says:
I always thought it was weird because it never really sounded anything like what was on the song. I did some research out of curiosity and figured out that it actually contains a sample from Jamaican deejay Fire Links which had a few articles written when the song came out. For example:
It seems that the original source is from a sample CD used by DJs in the 2000s, I don't really know where from exactly, but a reupload of the sound can be found on this SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/sir-franchise-drake/fire-links-turn-it-up Another sample that seems to be uncredited is from another Jamaican deejay Big Youth from the song "Be Careful" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APLxXtOCcP0&t=130s on his album Screaming Target. If you ask me both of these samples sound identical to what's used on "Waves" while the Fantastic Freaks sample doesn't sound similar at all. I think whoever was in charge of writing the official credits messed up.
How should this be fixed? - Nicenice23 ( talk) 19:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
On October 3, 2022, during his Yeezy SZN 9 fashion show in Paris, West wore a shirt he was selling with a collage of pictures of Pope John Paul II. The caption refers to him as "Juan Pablo II." Above the Pope’s collage a Spanish phrase which translates to: “We’ll follow your example.” The back of the same shirt reads "WHITE LIVES MATTER", a move described by Forbes as controversial. Kanye's 2016 tour was named the Saint Pablo Tour although without overt reference to the Pope. This is likely a connotation Kanye intended along with others such as Picasso but has become more clear by this 2022 use of the word "Pablo" and the religious connotation is also in his tour name "Saint Pablo Tour". Pope John Paul II was canonized as a saint on April 27, 2014 and is now known as Pope Saint John Paul II and this is likely why Kanye used the word "Saint" in the tour title Central16 ( talk) 02:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC) link to Daily Mail article with caption "Juxtaposition: The front of West's 'White Lives Matter' shirt appeared to show a collage of Pope Saint John Paul II with the bottom caption referring to him in Spanish as 'Juan Pablo II'" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11294645/Kanye-West-wears-White-Lives-Matter-t-shirt-daughter-Norths-basketball-game-LA.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Central16 ( talk • contribs) 05:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC) another article can also be referenced: JUAN PABLO II WAS ON KANYE’S MIND LONG BEFORE WHITE LIVES MATTER SHIRT https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/10/04/juan-pablo-ii-was-on-kanyes-mind-long-before-white-lives-matter-shirt/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Central16 ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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This article contains details about the song "All Day", which does not appear on the album. Should all content about this song be removed? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Ryan Vojtesak (aka Charlie Handsome) produced on Fade...his name should be added in the credits section for that record
DJ Dodger Stadium (Jerome Potter) should be credited for production too, as well as production on Feedback 4, Low Lights, Ultralight Beam and Father Stretch My Hands Pt 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.74.53 ( talk) 18:42, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't know where to put this so sorry, but the album is dropping today https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/698175350854021120 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.51.121.111 ( talk) 16:23, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:39, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
"The Life of Pablo is the seventh studio album by American rapper Kanye West. It will be released by GOOD Music, Roc-A-Fella Records and Def Jam Recordings on February 12, 2016, however this the release is subject to change to Martin Shkreli applied for acquisition of the album and publishing rights for the price of $10 million which will result in him having sole copy of the album and in the application Martin Shkreli has stated not to release the album commercially"
Ugh.... not only is the Martin Skhreli proposal extremely likely to be rejected (you really think Kanye would do that? Since the proposal was created he's said he's still releasing the album), but this is a terribly written sentence. I can't edit this but someone ought to fix this.
The proposal not only isn't likely to be accepted, it doesn't even need to be considered. Shkreli's legal argument is outright absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.22.127 ( talk) 16:35, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Earl Sweatshirt co-produced "Ultra Light Beams" as randomblackdude. Rtjfan ( talk) 01:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Here is a possible source for whoever suggested this: http://goodmusicallday.com/2016/02/kanye-west-life-of-pablo-album-tracklist/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.206.188 ( talk) 05:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Would help to clarify that it was released exclusively to stream through Tidal and exclusively to purchase through Kanye's website (www.kanyewest.com). Also may want to consider inputting notes on the rocky rollout and Tidal's intially incorrect track listing re: Fade and Facts. Initially the streaming and downloadable versions of the album had the same file for Facts (Charlie Heat Version) and Fade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maltease ( talk • contribs) 10:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
The howl before the Frank O. section comes from Nightcall by Kavinsky featuring Lovefoxxx from the Drive soundtrack. 64.147.210.162 ( talk) 19:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Appears so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_3Dpw-BRY — Preceding
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173.65.206.188 (
talk)
05:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
According to this review - http://music.theaureview.com/reviews/kanye-west-the-life-of-pablo-2016-lp/ - the intro for "Ultralight Beam" featured an uncredited sample from a vine. Linked to in the review. [1]
I've added an "unreferenced section" tag to the Tracklisting section, which includes not only the tracklist but a long list of Notes and sample credits. Does the single Tidal inline citation really provide sufficient evidence for these many notes and credits? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Just wondering if it is correct to include the Telegraph review by Neil Cormick in the "Critical Reception" since that is not reviewing the released album, but instead the songs played at the Yeezy season 3 event. I know that event was supposed to be an album listening party, but in the end the released album has a lot of changes from the event, including 8 more songs.
The review is from the 12th of February. Seems weird to have that review for an album released the 14th of February. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorwikiroj ( talk • contribs) 09:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
The Telegraph's review should not be here. The critic could not have even had the full quality files to listen to before writing the "review". It's obvious the review was driven by the 24hour news cycle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WestIRL ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
The album did NOT receive "rave reviews". It clearly has gotten mixed reception. Just because you are a fan doesn't mean you have to be biased and overhype it when it hasn't been earned. Majority of reviews released thus far have been mixed. Even the star ratings in the article prove the same. It is such a lie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:4601:84D1:2C40:B57D:F2CC:62B5 ( talk) 23:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Update Metacritic to be be 74/100 out of 6 reviews' Olapecko ( talk) 01:16, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
All the featurings should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.51.39.165 ( talk) 19:21, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
To much Deans in tracklist. Need to clarify this point. -- Mr Jefferson ( talk) 03:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I think readers of this article will want to know something about what West has said, or not said, about the album's title. West explained to SNL staff backstage that he is "by 50 percent" more influential than many people name-dropped in the immediate aftermath of his album's release: "Stanley Kubrick, Picasso, Apostle Paul, fucking Picasso and Escobar ... By 50 percent more influential than any other human being." Not sure how relevant that is, but West clearly had these cultural inferiors in mind as he executed his project. Pablo indeed. Shouldn't this be noted? Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 12:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the last 5 tracks are bonus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.99.102.122 ( talk) 05:38, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the last 5 are bonus tracks either. -- ( talk) 05:38, 30 May 2016 (UTC)<
Under Track Listing for track number 5 under the writer(s) Marcus Byrd is linked to the wrong Marcus Byrd. He currently does not have a wiki page. Should be unlinked immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanikkap ( talk • contribs) 05:00, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Normally featured vocalists appear in the track listing itself, not a Notes section below. Is there a reason we display this information differently for this article? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:38, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I think the two covers are switched. The original cover is being portrayed as the alternate album art, and vice versa. Per the cited source, the cover with two photos is described as "Another Cover" whereas the cover that Wikipedia now lists as the alternate cover is described as "Cover by Peter de Potter"
http://hypetrak.com/2016/02/kanye-west-the-life-of-pablo-alternate-cover/
2605:E000:4DDB:FE00:8513:9AD0:6B93:5FA4 ( talk) 16:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi
Zlernersinsheimer (
talk ·
contribs), I am in agreement with you that the first album cover should be included in the article, along with the alternate cover which is now being used. I have uploaded the cover to Wikipedia:
[1]. However, I note that the dimensions of the image you posted may be more appropriate. Feel free to update it if you feel so. I have also found out that the reason the image was originally removed from the article was because it was erroneously described as an "almost replica of the actual cover art":
Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_April_20#File:The_Life_of_Pablo_.28Tidal_Front_Cover.29.png. Pending the current discussion of the deletion of the image based on the previous deletion, taking place here:
Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2017_July_13#File:Kanye-west-life-of-pablo-art-2016-billboard-650.jpg, my proposal is that it be included in the infobox, as is done with other articles of albums with alternate covers (for example:
Wolf (Tyler, The Creator album)). I agree that the image currently used in the article should be described as the alternate cover, with the new image used as the main album cover on the article.
Cjhard (
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04:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey 2017NewYearNewMe ( talk · contribs), I don't disagree that the cover now used (almost?) exclusively for The Life of Pablo on streaming services is the "main" cover as far as you, I, and everyone else is concerned, but reliable sources say otherwise. And those sources are very reliable (Complex and Billboard). Were the sources weaker, I'd be inclined to WP:IGNORE all rules and accept that the more commonly used cover is the main one, with the original being the alternate. As it is, it seems more appropriate to accept that the original cover is the main cover, with the newer being the alternate, despite one being used more often than the other. I haven't been able to find reliable sources to explain that the newer cover is now more commonly used, but if you can, some explanation of that fact would be beneficial to the article. Cjhard ( talk) 05:35, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Up until yesterday the date in the infobox listed two dates. One for the February tidal release and one for the April general release. Recently that was changed by an editor who believed that this was no longer necessary since we had info about it in the article itself. I, however reverted the info believing that it still deserved to be covered in the info box. It was reverted back by another user who agreed with the previous user.
My issue is that the infobox provides users with a quick glance at the most important info about an album. For instance if I wanted to know the release date for Sophie B Hawkins second album, Whaler, I could look it up and see it was released in October 1994, and then move on. In this hypothetical I am not interested in anything els so I would not check the rest of the artcle at all, which works because the album did become widely available in October of 1994. The problem is that if I used the same method for Life of Pablo I would get info that, if not wrong, would not be telling the whole story.
I do not think it's excessive at all to have two release dates in the info box. One for the Tidal release and one for the general release. It's similar to how films are handled where if a film is released at a film festival before its general release it is listed under both release dates. (for a good example of this see Following (film))
I just wanted to bring this up for discussion so the majority could weigh in. -- Deathawk ( talk) 05:43, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Btw, there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim made here that there will be a physical release in June. 80.219.20.147 ( talk) 02:00, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
This looks good quality from a glance. Nobody has nominated the article yet, but would anyone like to assist me in GA nomination for this as a last-ditch attempt to keep this topic, considering I have no experience in hip-hop albums here? It's currently at WP:GTRC and it'd be a shame for it to fall so soon after it was promoted. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 19:23, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Kellymoat:, you reverted this edit, stating that there had been a consensus that it should be "seventh solo album and eighth studio album" rather than simply "seventh studio album". [2]
I was curious as to where that discussion is, as it does not appear to be on the talk page for this article. Thank you. Cjhard ( talk) 13:50, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
3O Response: I don't think the enumeration of Kanye albums needs to be in the lede sentence at all. Power~enwiki ( talk) 04:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
@ Kellymoat:, regarding your reversions of @ Bchris26:'s edits, 3O responses aren't binding and do not become the new consensus, so this discussion isn't a citable reason to undo a third party's edits. Also, I believe that Power~enwiki's solution is the least good option. @ Bchris26:, it appears you agree that the article should simply be described as Kanye's seventh studio album, could you provide Kellymoat with a short explanation?
Kellymoat, further reversions of this sentence on this article so soon after being banned for edit warring on this exact issue would likely be considered edit warring, are you now willing to discuss the issue or let it go? Cjhard ( talk) 21:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I've never voiced an opinion on what wording I personally feel is best. I didn't make the revert based on what I feel is best. I made the revert based on the previous consensus. Kellymoat ( talk) 03:11, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia's policy on consensus it doesn't matter if someone took it to the talk page. If you're trying to argue that there was consensus through editing, the fact that it was undone and keeps getting undone shows that it doesn't have consensus. (See WP:SILENCE)
If you're trying to argue that there was consensus through discussion, that requires persuasion through conversation. One person proffering a suggestion 3 years after the discussion ended is not "persuasion through conversation". Cjhard ( talk) 05:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment This is clearly already an edit war. If you can agree on a short phrasing (i.e. "seventh studio album"), use that. If you do not agree and insist on including this fact in the lede sentence, you should probably go for formal
WP:DRN at this point.
Power~enwiki (
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21:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
If you want to squabble, at least follow protocol - the original stays until a final decision is agreed upon.
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15:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Should the lead sentence describe the album as Kanye's "seventh solo album and eighth studio album"? Cjhard ( talk) 10:40, 17 July 2017 (UTC) Cjhard ( talk) 12:15, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Cjhard ( talk) 12:46, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Ss112, I'm considering closing this RfC, as Kellymoat was the only editor advocating for upholding the consensus that the lead sentence should be phrased in this way and they have now been banned indefinitely, and this RfC is really struggling to receive comments. I've outlined above why their perception of a consensus was erroneous, but I can understand if there's too much noise around it for it to be clear or worth reading, so I'm happy to go through it again. Given your experience in this field and your earlier acceptance of Kellymoat's view that there is a consensus, I figured your input would be helpful in the decision on whether to close this RfC and restore the pre-Kellymoat version of the post-Watch The Throne Kanye and Jay-Z album article lead sentences.
Cjhard (
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05:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
(Seems I messed up the ping. Ss112 Cjhard ( talk) 23:02, 1 August 2017 (UTC))
Should the original tracklist be mentionned and included somewhere ? It's the album a lot of people heard first before Kanye edited the album — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craiko ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
West and numerous secondary sources have called this album gospel, so that can be kept as a genre alongside hip hop, as it is sourced and multiple gospel tracks are on the album. -- Kyle Peake ( talk) 06:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheAmazingPeanuts: In this case, I would evoke WP:IGNORE over MOS:TABLECAPTION since the table caption "The Life of Pablo track listing" right below the section header "Track listing" doesn't serve any purpose. It should be clear to the reader that the track list on this article pertains to the album the article is about. Since the table caption doesn't specify the section header any further, it is redundant. Throast ( talk | contribs) 09:59, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
So it seems that the sample for Waves was miscredited in the official credits posted on Kanye's website. Currently on the page it says:
I always thought it was weird because it never really sounded anything like what was on the song. I did some research out of curiosity and figured out that it actually contains a sample from Jamaican deejay Fire Links which had a few articles written when the song came out. For example:
It seems that the original source is from a sample CD used by DJs in the 2000s, I don't really know where from exactly, but a reupload of the sound can be found on this SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/sir-franchise-drake/fire-links-turn-it-up Another sample that seems to be uncredited is from another Jamaican deejay Big Youth from the song "Be Careful" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APLxXtOCcP0&t=130s on his album Screaming Target. If you ask me both of these samples sound identical to what's used on "Waves" while the Fantastic Freaks sample doesn't sound similar at all. I think whoever was in charge of writing the official credits messed up.
How should this be fixed? - Nicenice23 ( talk) 19:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
On October 3, 2022, during his Yeezy SZN 9 fashion show in Paris, West wore a shirt he was selling with a collage of pictures of Pope John Paul II. The caption refers to him as "Juan Pablo II." Above the Pope’s collage a Spanish phrase which translates to: “We’ll follow your example.” The back of the same shirt reads "WHITE LIVES MATTER", a move described by Forbes as controversial. Kanye's 2016 tour was named the Saint Pablo Tour although without overt reference to the Pope. This is likely a connotation Kanye intended along with others such as Picasso but has become more clear by this 2022 use of the word "Pablo" and the religious connotation is also in his tour name "Saint Pablo Tour". Pope John Paul II was canonized as a saint on April 27, 2014 and is now known as Pope Saint John Paul II and this is likely why Kanye used the word "Saint" in the tour title Central16 ( talk) 02:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC) link to Daily Mail article with caption "Juxtaposition: The front of West's 'White Lives Matter' shirt appeared to show a collage of Pope Saint John Paul II with the bottom caption referring to him in Spanish as 'Juan Pablo II'" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11294645/Kanye-West-wears-White-Lives-Matter-t-shirt-daughter-Norths-basketball-game-LA.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Central16 ( talk • contribs) 05:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC) another article can also be referenced: JUAN PABLO II WAS ON KANYE’S MIND LONG BEFORE WHITE LIVES MATTER SHIRT https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/10/04/juan-pablo-ii-was-on-kanyes-mind-long-before-white-lives-matter-shirt/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Central16 ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Central16 ( talk) 20:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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