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Reviewer: J Milburn ( talk) 12:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
It'd be great to get this article to GA status, but it is a good way from ready yet.
*Dablinks-
climax,
Gaiety Theatre,
Robert Ross,
The Saturday Review,
William Archer.
The World also clearly links to the wrong place. Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"Its high farce and witty dialogue have helped make The Importance of Being Earnest Wilde's most enduringly popular play." is not the most neutral of phrases Fixed
Mr. R00t
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22:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
*"Wilde was urged to write further plays" By whom? Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"ilde summered with his family at Worthing, where he wrote the play quickly in August.[1] Wilde" repetition Fixed, rephrased enture sentence.----
*"Michael Feingold" Who is he? Fixed He's an American arts critic.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"When Henry James's Guy Domville failed, Alexander agreed to put on the play.[4]" So, wild sent it? Fixed, they corresponded and eventually reached a decision to go ahead.
Ktlynch (
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15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"that ""In my" What's going on there?
*"and few dared to discuss, let alone perform, his work" Hardly neutral, inappropriate tone, Changed wording to sound more neutral. --
Ktlynch (
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17:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"was "his first really heartless [one]"." Wilde's first, presumably?
*"William Archer in The World, while agreeing that the play was enjoyable to watch, also picked up on the play's "emptiness", "What can..." needs rephrasing Rephrased. --
Ktlynch (
talk) 21:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
*"dramatical career. he denied the" Come on... Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Yeah, the whole section could do with prose ironing... Copyedited for flow.--
Ktlynch (
talk) 21:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
*Same with the first edition section. The line "coincidentally inside a handbag; ironically mimicking the discovery of Jack Worthing as an infant" is not appropriate... Fixed, removed some dramatic/sympathetic wording. --
Ktlynch (
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15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Large section of the composition is unreferenced Fixed, adding source for the film changes.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Almost the entire "in translation" section lacks references; there's even a cite needed tag in there. This section has been entirely re-written, based an an academic article on the subject. --
Ktlynch (
talk) 01:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
*The adaptations section has very few references, and could do with rewriting entirely. Bulleted lists are generally not a good thing. Re-written as prose, and extra unreferenced, non-notable productiions removed.--
Ktlynch (
talk) 01:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
*Very inconsistent referencing style. Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Ref 43 is questionable. Fixed, deleted the reference in question.
Ktlynch (
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15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
It's been a few days since the last edit to the article, and there are still some fairly major problems outstanding. I think this article needs more work before it's ready for GA status, and I am considering closing this as failed. Thoughts? J Milburn ( talk) 10:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'm gonna give the article another read through, and shout out about anything I see.
I will finish reading it at some point later today. J Milburn ( talk) 12:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
And the rest-
Done. I must say, you are right- this really does feel like a decent good article, while still lacking the comprehensiveness that would be required for a featured article. Once the issues listed above and the lead image issue are resolved, I would be happy to promote. I'd also be happy to give some pointers towards improvements to make before FAC, if you're interested. J Milburn ( talk) 23:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok, concerning the image, we need to find out where it was originally taken from- and I mean originally. Where was it first published? A newspaper? Something like that? Orbicle ( talk · contribs) uploaded the image nearly four years ago, as Image:Cigarettecase.jpeg, on enwp. There are a few options- if it was published at all before 1923, it is public domain in the United States, and may be uploaded freely to the English Wikipedia. If it was published first in the United States before 1923, it's public domain enough for Commons. If we make a reasonable effort to find out the author, but cannot, and it was published more than 70 years ago, it's public domain. Alternatively, if we find out the date of death of the author, regardless of whether it was published, if the author died more than 70 years ago. To be honest, if you have a snoop and don't get anywhere, I'd be happy with it just being tagged with this template and for us to move on- however, be aware that this may come back to bite you at any future FAC, so looking for the right licensing (or a different image altogether) may be worth your while. J Milburn ( talk) 20:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
There hasn't been any update on either side in nearly a month; what's the status of this review? Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I beg to disagree. The English première of this important play was an historic event without any doubt. An image of a college production is of no merit at all and adds nothing to the article. Jezhotwells ( talk) 00:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: J Milburn ( talk) 12:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
It'd be great to get this article to GA status, but it is a good way from ready yet.
*Dablinks-
climax,
Gaiety Theatre,
Robert Ross,
The Saturday Review,
William Archer.
The World also clearly links to the wrong place. Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"Its high farce and witty dialogue have helped make The Importance of Being Earnest Wilde's most enduringly popular play." is not the most neutral of phrases Fixed
Mr. R00t
Talk
22:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
*"Wilde was urged to write further plays" By whom? Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"ilde summered with his family at Worthing, where he wrote the play quickly in August.[1] Wilde" repetition Fixed, rephrased enture sentence.----
*"Michael Feingold" Who is he? Fixed He's an American arts critic.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"When Henry James's Guy Domville failed, Alexander agreed to put on the play.[4]" So, wild sent it? Fixed, they corresponded and eventually reached a decision to go ahead.
Ktlynch (
talk)
15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"that ""In my" What's going on there?
*"and few dared to discuss, let alone perform, his work" Hardly neutral, inappropriate tone, Changed wording to sound more neutral. --
Ktlynch (
talk)
17:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*"was "his first really heartless [one]"." Wilde's first, presumably?
*"William Archer in The World, while agreeing that the play was enjoyable to watch, also picked up on the play's "emptiness", "What can..." needs rephrasing Rephrased. --
Ktlynch (
talk) 21:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
*"dramatical career. he denied the" Come on... Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Yeah, the whole section could do with prose ironing... Copyedited for flow.--
Ktlynch (
talk) 21:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
*Same with the first edition section. The line "coincidentally inside a handbag; ironically mimicking the discovery of Jack Worthing as an infant" is not appropriate... Fixed, removed some dramatic/sympathetic wording. --
Ktlynch (
talk)
15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Large section of the composition is unreferenced Fixed, adding source for the film changes.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Almost the entire "in translation" section lacks references; there's even a cite needed tag in there. This section has been entirely re-written, based an an academic article on the subject. --
Ktlynch (
talk) 01:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
*The adaptations section has very few references, and could do with rewriting entirely. Bulleted lists are generally not a good thing. Re-written as prose, and extra unreferenced, non-notable productiions removed.--
Ktlynch (
talk) 01:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
*Very inconsistent referencing style. Fixed.
Ktlynch (
talk) 15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
*Ref 43 is questionable. Fixed, deleted the reference in question.
Ktlynch (
talk)
15:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
It's been a few days since the last edit to the article, and there are still some fairly major problems outstanding. I think this article needs more work before it's ready for GA status, and I am considering closing this as failed. Thoughts? J Milburn ( talk) 10:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'm gonna give the article another read through, and shout out about anything I see.
I will finish reading it at some point later today. J Milburn ( talk) 12:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
And the rest-
Done. I must say, you are right- this really does feel like a decent good article, while still lacking the comprehensiveness that would be required for a featured article. Once the issues listed above and the lead image issue are resolved, I would be happy to promote. I'd also be happy to give some pointers towards improvements to make before FAC, if you're interested. J Milburn ( talk) 23:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok, concerning the image, we need to find out where it was originally taken from- and I mean originally. Where was it first published? A newspaper? Something like that? Orbicle ( talk · contribs) uploaded the image nearly four years ago, as Image:Cigarettecase.jpeg, on enwp. There are a few options- if it was published at all before 1923, it is public domain in the United States, and may be uploaded freely to the English Wikipedia. If it was published first in the United States before 1923, it's public domain enough for Commons. If we make a reasonable effort to find out the author, but cannot, and it was published more than 70 years ago, it's public domain. Alternatively, if we find out the date of death of the author, regardless of whether it was published, if the author died more than 70 years ago. To be honest, if you have a snoop and don't get anywhere, I'd be happy with it just being tagged with this template and for us to move on- however, be aware that this may come back to bite you at any future FAC, so looking for the right licensing (or a different image altogether) may be worth your while. J Milburn ( talk) 20:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
There hasn't been any update on either side in nearly a month; what's the status of this review? Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I beg to disagree. The English première of this important play was an historic event without any doubt. An image of a college production is of no merit at all and adds nothing to the article. Jezhotwells ( talk) 00:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)