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I've tagged this as needing cleanup -- the plot "summary" is about five times as long as it should be. Somebody should be ruthless in editing this. -- Ferdinand Pienaar 06:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think the fact that The Horse and his Boy is clearly a retelling of the Exodus story needs to be emphasized more. Shasta is guided down the river in a basket as a child, just like Moses. He escapes across the desert (a stand in for the Sinai desert), past the tombs of the kings (a stand in for the pyramids), meets Aslan on the top of a mountain (just as Moses met with God) and escapes first to Archenland (a stand in for Midian) and then to Narnia (a stand in for the Promised Land), etc. Joey1898 23:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the statement at the very end of the article is a bit out there, really. There's been little indication, aside from Adamson's hope-I-get-to-be-director claim that he wants to do all seven [1], that there's anything like a goal to make this film. Of all the books, Horse and Nephew are the two least likely to be made, at this very early stage of the franchise [2], simply because they involve the Pevensies only in minor ways (if at all). The filmmakers have said in interviews other than those already cited that the priority in production order is doing those that involve the Pevensie children quickly before they grow up too much. Calling a film probably a decade a way "likely"--if the franchise is still even doing good business by then--is just way too strong. CzechOut 07:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Lstanley is completely right; if they make a movie of HHB there'd be a heap of explaining to do b/c of the whole portrayal of Calormen and Calormenes. Even though it's a good story in and of itself, and Aravis is a girl who, to put into Lewis's words "is as true as steel" and later marries Shasta (an interracial marriage), it's hard to get away from the strong racial overtones that the book has. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.233.247.5 ( talk) 02:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
The info box says the book was proceeding by Lion and followed by Caspian. While this is choronolocially correct, it was publish as the sixth book. Should the info box reflect this? -- Jvsett 16:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a bit suprised that no one has mentioned the anti-Islam theme of this book. I am not Islamic, but when I read it, it was not hard to see that the "bad guys" are given arabic names and titles (grand vizir, tisroc) and live in a desert area, wear turbans, etc. In the later "final battle" book, they are accused by Lewis of worshipping a false God. All the Lion-worshipers (Christians) go to heaven, while the Tisroc folks generally do not (one token soldier is apparently allowed in). It really is Islam-bashing if you look at it. Well, at least that's the way I read it.
For that reason alone, I don't think it would be made into a movie - not because of the other issues noted above. If this was released as a movie, it would cause a riot in the Islamic worlds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.15 ( talk) 23:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Do not conflate "Arab" with "Islam." 208.68.128.90 ( talk) 18:24, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Should it be mentioned that Aslan is the lion that attacks Aravis?-- roger6106 20:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Image:Horseandhisboy.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
This page has been vandalised recently with words changed slightly to turn it into sexual innuendo, I think I got rid of it all though. Unregistered user, 06/03/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.140.130 ( talk) 17:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I've moved the following text out of the article (it had originally been in the Commentary and Notes section, which I renamed to Themes and Motifs when restructuring section headers in February 2008.) My reason for moving it is that, the note about the possible slight error in logic, while I agree is technically correct, per a reading of the novel, has no source cited, hence could be original research, and also does not seem of enough significant import to an analysis of the book, to be included in an article of this (relatively short) length. I have included it here on the talk page in case others disagree and believe the article would be improved by adding it back in. The last few sentences below, mentioning the effect of meeting Aslan on the characters, is, I believe, thematically important, and should be re-introduced, with citation, however, and should read less like part of a plot summary. Perhaps this text was originally part of the plot summary and then was moved to Commentary and Notes at a time before my first experience with this article.
Hey all. Call me wrong if you think so, but I don't think a summary of a book needs citations other than referencing the book. Especially for facts mentioned in the novel. I suppose references are necessary when some deep thoeries are conjured, but I don't believe this is the case here. Drorzm ( talk) 00:45, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I have removed this section again. It was full of uncited opinions and was completely pointless. A section that just had a brief description of each major character and what they did would be good though. -- 05:07, 21 October 2012 101.166.150.53
The term used nowadays is midquel... AnonMoos ( talk) 18:46, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I have just made some minor style edits, corrections and limited additions, all of which were reverted. An exchange of views with the editor responsible followed, which I have copied to this page in case any other enthusiast for the world of Narnia wishes to add their opinions.
The "factual errors" (which I admit are small and possibly only of concern to C.S. Lewis addicts) were as follows. Grateful for any comments.
(i)"procession of visiting Narnian royalty" - page 55 of TH&HB describes a party of half a dozen Narnians of whom only one (Edmund) is royalty. Remainder are courtiers.
(ii) Prince Corin "was separated from their group". Page 57 describes him as having "run away".
(iii) "Shasta goes with the Narnians". Page 57 describes him as being "marched off among strangers" held by both hands - not really a voluntary departure.
(iv) "the Tisroc gives Rabadash permission to invade Archenland and Narnia". The prince is actually authorized to invade and occupy Archenland only but to "come and go through Narnia like an arrow from a bow" (page 105) seizing Queen Susan in the process. Better described as a raid rather than an invasion.
(v) "Palace". Page 93 records that the intended escape route is through the separate palace garden.
(v) "find their prey waiting for them and a battle ensues". A more accurate description is "find the defenders alerted and a siege ensues" (the battle occurs when the Narnians subsequently come to the relief of Anvard).
(vi) "Rabadash and his army". A force described as "but two hundred horse" (page 104) is too small to constitute an army.
(vii) "if he (Rabadash) ever strays". Future Tisrocs may cross boundaries when waging war but they don't generally stray.
Finally, while I appreciate that rambling contributions are one of the curses of Wikipedia, it seems rather harsh to describe a couple of additional sentences as constituting an "extended description"'. Buistr ( talk) 01:14, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
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I've tagged this as needing cleanup -- the plot "summary" is about five times as long as it should be. Somebody should be ruthless in editing this. -- Ferdinand Pienaar 06:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think the fact that The Horse and his Boy is clearly a retelling of the Exodus story needs to be emphasized more. Shasta is guided down the river in a basket as a child, just like Moses. He escapes across the desert (a stand in for the Sinai desert), past the tombs of the kings (a stand in for the pyramids), meets Aslan on the top of a mountain (just as Moses met with God) and escapes first to Archenland (a stand in for Midian) and then to Narnia (a stand in for the Promised Land), etc. Joey1898 23:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the statement at the very end of the article is a bit out there, really. There's been little indication, aside from Adamson's hope-I-get-to-be-director claim that he wants to do all seven [1], that there's anything like a goal to make this film. Of all the books, Horse and Nephew are the two least likely to be made, at this very early stage of the franchise [2], simply because they involve the Pevensies only in minor ways (if at all). The filmmakers have said in interviews other than those already cited that the priority in production order is doing those that involve the Pevensie children quickly before they grow up too much. Calling a film probably a decade a way "likely"--if the franchise is still even doing good business by then--is just way too strong. CzechOut 07:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Lstanley is completely right; if they make a movie of HHB there'd be a heap of explaining to do b/c of the whole portrayal of Calormen and Calormenes. Even though it's a good story in and of itself, and Aravis is a girl who, to put into Lewis's words "is as true as steel" and later marries Shasta (an interracial marriage), it's hard to get away from the strong racial overtones that the book has. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.233.247.5 ( talk) 02:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
The info box says the book was proceeding by Lion and followed by Caspian. While this is choronolocially correct, it was publish as the sixth book. Should the info box reflect this? -- Jvsett 16:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a bit suprised that no one has mentioned the anti-Islam theme of this book. I am not Islamic, but when I read it, it was not hard to see that the "bad guys" are given arabic names and titles (grand vizir, tisroc) and live in a desert area, wear turbans, etc. In the later "final battle" book, they are accused by Lewis of worshipping a false God. All the Lion-worshipers (Christians) go to heaven, while the Tisroc folks generally do not (one token soldier is apparently allowed in). It really is Islam-bashing if you look at it. Well, at least that's the way I read it.
For that reason alone, I don't think it would be made into a movie - not because of the other issues noted above. If this was released as a movie, it would cause a riot in the Islamic worlds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.15 ( talk) 23:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Do not conflate "Arab" with "Islam." 208.68.128.90 ( talk) 18:24, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Should it be mentioned that Aslan is the lion that attacks Aravis?-- roger6106 20:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Image:Horseandhisboy.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
This page has been vandalised recently with words changed slightly to turn it into sexual innuendo, I think I got rid of it all though. Unregistered user, 06/03/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.140.130 ( talk) 17:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I've moved the following text out of the article (it had originally been in the Commentary and Notes section, which I renamed to Themes and Motifs when restructuring section headers in February 2008.) My reason for moving it is that, the note about the possible slight error in logic, while I agree is technically correct, per a reading of the novel, has no source cited, hence could be original research, and also does not seem of enough significant import to an analysis of the book, to be included in an article of this (relatively short) length. I have included it here on the talk page in case others disagree and believe the article would be improved by adding it back in. The last few sentences below, mentioning the effect of meeting Aslan on the characters, is, I believe, thematically important, and should be re-introduced, with citation, however, and should read less like part of a plot summary. Perhaps this text was originally part of the plot summary and then was moved to Commentary and Notes at a time before my first experience with this article.
Hey all. Call me wrong if you think so, but I don't think a summary of a book needs citations other than referencing the book. Especially for facts mentioned in the novel. I suppose references are necessary when some deep thoeries are conjured, but I don't believe this is the case here. Drorzm ( talk) 00:45, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I have removed this section again. It was full of uncited opinions and was completely pointless. A section that just had a brief description of each major character and what they did would be good though. -- 05:07, 21 October 2012 101.166.150.53
The term used nowadays is midquel... AnonMoos ( talk) 18:46, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I have just made some minor style edits, corrections and limited additions, all of which were reverted. An exchange of views with the editor responsible followed, which I have copied to this page in case any other enthusiast for the world of Narnia wishes to add their opinions.
The "factual errors" (which I admit are small and possibly only of concern to C.S. Lewis addicts) were as follows. Grateful for any comments.
(i)"procession of visiting Narnian royalty" - page 55 of TH&HB describes a party of half a dozen Narnians of whom only one (Edmund) is royalty. Remainder are courtiers.
(ii) Prince Corin "was separated from their group". Page 57 describes him as having "run away".
(iii) "Shasta goes with the Narnians". Page 57 describes him as being "marched off among strangers" held by both hands - not really a voluntary departure.
(iv) "the Tisroc gives Rabadash permission to invade Archenland and Narnia". The prince is actually authorized to invade and occupy Archenland only but to "come and go through Narnia like an arrow from a bow" (page 105) seizing Queen Susan in the process. Better described as a raid rather than an invasion.
(v) "Palace". Page 93 records that the intended escape route is through the separate palace garden.
(v) "find their prey waiting for them and a battle ensues". A more accurate description is "find the defenders alerted and a siege ensues" (the battle occurs when the Narnians subsequently come to the relief of Anvard).
(vi) "Rabadash and his army". A force described as "but two hundred horse" (page 104) is too small to constitute an army.
(vii) "if he (Rabadash) ever strays". Future Tisrocs may cross boundaries when waging war but they don't generally stray.
Finally, while I appreciate that rambling contributions are one of the curses of Wikipedia, it seems rather harsh to describe a couple of additional sentences as constituting an "extended description"'. Buistr ( talk) 01:14, 8 November 2016 (UTC)