![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
I have corrected a previous editor's change of the article that falsely gave Monty Roberts credit for inspiring writer Nicholas Evans' concept of the Tom Booker character. On Evans' website faq, he states
> The false claim keeps popping up, as though repeating it often enough would make the falsehood true. Lil 14:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Monty Roberts says that 70% of the main character was modeled after him and says the author met him and asked him a lot about his work with horses. The documentary on Roberts gets its title from this: it calls roberts " The Real Horse Whisperer".
The author ackwnoledges meeting Roberts but denies "basing" his character on Robrets. Uncle Ed 01:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the above claim should be mentioned in the text of the article, but I'm not sure how to do it. Uncle Ed 19:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
This article is mostly about the film, but the novel doesn't seem to have an article of its own. It ought to have one especially that the book makes the reader think over the life, reassess the values. The book is also worth rereaging to "catch the upstreams". 169.230.94.21 21:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
A bit of interesting trivia about the movie: Brannaman actually doubled for Redford in several of the horse training scenes; you can tell which is which because Brannaman is right-handed, Redford is left-handed. Also, I had a chance to speak to Tom Dorrance before he passed away about the book and the movie. He was not at all impressed with the fact that the main character was based in part on him. He was most offended that the character 'stepped out' on his wife, something that was not in his character. -- AeronM ( talk) 20:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
This page could do with moving to "The Horse Whisperer (film)" to make room for an article on the book. Currently the link to the "1995 novel" in the first paragraph leads to a page on novels published in 1995, and the link there leads to here. Are there any objections to this? Swanny18 ( talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
It says in the Controversy section that the scene where Pilgrim was hobbled “more closely resemble(s) the more gimmick-laden methods of Frank Bell than of a true natural horsemanship model” yet the same process is referred to in the article on the
Rarey technique, which also claims to be a source for the film.
And it refers to “basic safety problems in the film (which) include Redford kneeling in front of a horse known to charge humans in one scene”, but the picture at
Natural horsemanship depicts just that.
Comments?
Swanny18 (
talk)
16:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I suggested a move in July (see above), but there's been no response. Any objections if I go ahead and do it? Swanny18 ( talk) 17:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik ( talk • contribs) 28 October 2010 18:51 (UTC)
Most of this article requires inline references. It is not practicable to add {{
Citation needed}}
throughout the article, but I have tagged the two most problematical sections and will, in accordance with the tag notice, remove unreferenced material, which is not immediately obvious to anyone, one month later. Here are the detailed reasons for the tags:
This section contains apparent original research and opinion, unsourced information and an unsourced quotation. Everything mentioned in a section about controversies must ipso facto be referenced in detail.
This section quotes reviews without providing inline references. Mentioning a web site which is alleged to have had some information is not enough. – Mirokado ( talk) 01:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I've updated the Reception section: I think there is no longer a serious problem with that. – Mirokado ( talk) 21:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Section moved here from Talk:The Horse Whisperer#Inline references required since that is now a dab page. -- Mirokado ( talk) 18:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I need to leave a note about my removal of two EL's with this edit [2]. Neither of these had anything to do with this film so per WP:EL I did not think they belonged with this article. That does not mean that they can't be used on WikiP. The one for the book can go with its article and the one for the person can go with his - if they aren't already there. MarnetteD | Talk 21:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
There's no mention here of the original soundtrack by John Barry, which was rejected by Redford and replaced with Thomas Newman's one. (Barry eventually released the material as part of his 1990 album "The Beyondness of Things".) Perhaps someone with more detailed knowledge could add something about this? 87.194.150.80 ( talk) 02:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I would like to discuss the Category:Films based on British novels. I am not certain that a British-born author makes a novel "British," particularly when it is set in the American west and the author was living in the American west (he actually crashed at the home of someone I know) when he wrote the novel. I am willing to look over the criteria we use to designate novels by nationality, but, for example, we cannot think of Lolita as a "Russian" novel even though the author was born in Russia... discuss? Montanabw (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Novels in general are categorized by the nationality of the author, not by their setting. Murder on the Orient Express is mostly set in Yugoslavia, but we do not call it a Yugoslavian novel. Dracula is partly set in Transylvania, but we do not call it a Transylvanian, Hungarian, or Romanian novel. Frankenstein is mostly set in Geneva, Switzerland, but we do not call it a Swiss novel. Moll Flanders is partly set in the Colony of Virginia and the Province of Maryland, but we do not call it an American novel.
The nationality of an author and the setting of his/her novel can differ significantly. Dimadick ( talk) 04:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, though I am not certain Nicholas Evans ever gained American citizenship. Dimadick ( talk) 19:34, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
I have corrected a previous editor's change of the article that falsely gave Monty Roberts credit for inspiring writer Nicholas Evans' concept of the Tom Booker character. On Evans' website faq, he states
> The false claim keeps popping up, as though repeating it often enough would make the falsehood true. Lil 14:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Monty Roberts says that 70% of the main character was modeled after him and says the author met him and asked him a lot about his work with horses. The documentary on Roberts gets its title from this: it calls roberts " The Real Horse Whisperer".
The author ackwnoledges meeting Roberts but denies "basing" his character on Robrets. Uncle Ed 01:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I think the above claim should be mentioned in the text of the article, but I'm not sure how to do it. Uncle Ed 19:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
This article is mostly about the film, but the novel doesn't seem to have an article of its own. It ought to have one especially that the book makes the reader think over the life, reassess the values. The book is also worth rereaging to "catch the upstreams". 169.230.94.21 21:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
A bit of interesting trivia about the movie: Brannaman actually doubled for Redford in several of the horse training scenes; you can tell which is which because Brannaman is right-handed, Redford is left-handed. Also, I had a chance to speak to Tom Dorrance before he passed away about the book and the movie. He was not at all impressed with the fact that the main character was based in part on him. He was most offended that the character 'stepped out' on his wife, something that was not in his character. -- AeronM ( talk) 20:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
This page could do with moving to "The Horse Whisperer (film)" to make room for an article on the book. Currently the link to the "1995 novel" in the first paragraph leads to a page on novels published in 1995, and the link there leads to here. Are there any objections to this? Swanny18 ( talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
It says in the Controversy section that the scene where Pilgrim was hobbled “more closely resemble(s) the more gimmick-laden methods of Frank Bell than of a true natural horsemanship model” yet the same process is referred to in the article on the
Rarey technique, which also claims to be a source for the film.
And it refers to “basic safety problems in the film (which) include Redford kneeling in front of a horse known to charge humans in one scene”, but the picture at
Natural horsemanship depicts just that.
Comments?
Swanny18 (
talk)
16:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I suggested a move in July (see above), but there's been no response. Any objections if I go ahead and do it? Swanny18 ( talk) 17:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Erik ( talk • contribs) 28 October 2010 18:51 (UTC)
Most of this article requires inline references. It is not practicable to add {{
Citation needed}}
throughout the article, but I have tagged the two most problematical sections and will, in accordance with the tag notice, remove unreferenced material, which is not immediately obvious to anyone, one month later. Here are the detailed reasons for the tags:
This section contains apparent original research and opinion, unsourced information and an unsourced quotation. Everything mentioned in a section about controversies must ipso facto be referenced in detail.
This section quotes reviews without providing inline references. Mentioning a web site which is alleged to have had some information is not enough. – Mirokado ( talk) 01:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I've updated the Reception section: I think there is no longer a serious problem with that. – Mirokado ( talk) 21:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Section moved here from Talk:The Horse Whisperer#Inline references required since that is now a dab page. -- Mirokado ( talk) 18:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I need to leave a note about my removal of two EL's with this edit [2]. Neither of these had anything to do with this film so per WP:EL I did not think they belonged with this article. That does not mean that they can't be used on WikiP. The one for the book can go with its article and the one for the person can go with his - if they aren't already there. MarnetteD | Talk 21:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
There's no mention here of the original soundtrack by John Barry, which was rejected by Redford and replaced with Thomas Newman's one. (Barry eventually released the material as part of his 1990 album "The Beyondness of Things".) Perhaps someone with more detailed knowledge could add something about this? 87.194.150.80 ( talk) 02:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I would like to discuss the Category:Films based on British novels. I am not certain that a British-born author makes a novel "British," particularly when it is set in the American west and the author was living in the American west (he actually crashed at the home of someone I know) when he wrote the novel. I am willing to look over the criteria we use to designate novels by nationality, but, for example, we cannot think of Lolita as a "Russian" novel even though the author was born in Russia... discuss? Montanabw (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Novels in general are categorized by the nationality of the author, not by their setting. Murder on the Orient Express is mostly set in Yugoslavia, but we do not call it a Yugoslavian novel. Dracula is partly set in Transylvania, but we do not call it a Transylvanian, Hungarian, or Romanian novel. Frankenstein is mostly set in Geneva, Switzerland, but we do not call it a Swiss novel. Moll Flanders is partly set in the Colony of Virginia and the Province of Maryland, but we do not call it an American novel.
The nationality of an author and the setting of his/her novel can differ significantly. Dimadick ( talk) 04:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, though I am not certain Nicholas Evans ever gained American citizenship. Dimadick ( talk) 19:34, 20 September 2016 (UTC)