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What does "initiatory lineage" through Regardie mean and how is this verified in the article exactly as being passed through Regardie to Cicero? Kephera975 04:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
There is none. However, this is not a NPOV article. Moreover, any comment which does not coincide with IPSOS agenda is either ignored; or actually edited out of the discussion.It is patently untrue that Israel Regardie initiated Charles "Chic" Cicero and/or Tabatha Cicero into ANY grade of the Golden Dawn. Charles "Chic" Cicero "self-initiated" himself into 0=0. Larry Epperson a/k/a Adam Forrest, a student of Regardie, initiated Charles "Chic" Cicero in the elemental grades. Cicero has admitted that he was never actually initiated into ANY grade by Regardie.
In fact, Regardie's only students were William Kennedy, Patricia Behman a/k/a Cris Monnastre, Larry Epperson a/k/a Adam Forrestt, and Alan Miller a/k/a Christopher Hyatt. In fact, Regardie left his literary estate, papers etc. to Alan Miller a/k/a Christopher Hyatt as Trustee of the Israel Regardie Foundation. Charles "Chic" Cicero's contacts with Regardie were, at best, incidental: Regardie visited him in Georgia in order to initiate Patricia Behman a/k/a Cris Monnastre in his vault; and exchanged a few letters with Cicero. Most of the papers "preserved” by HOGD, Inc. were purchased by Maria Babasingh from the Trustee of the Israel Regardie Foundation; and then given by her to Cicero (Babasingh is a director of HOGD. Inc.). Thus, Cicero cannot claim to derive any "lineage" from Regardie. -- C00483033 18:36, 15 August 2007
It would seem that anyone who does not agree with you is automatically a "sock puppet." This is particularly true when you do not wish to address a concrete issue.-- C00483033 21:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I BELEIVE THAT THE DELETION DISCUSSION FOR THIS PAGE WAS ARBITRARILY ENDED BY GLAS FET W/O CONSENSUS. I REQUEST THAT IT BE RE-OPENED AND THAT THE FULL TEXT OF THAT DISCUSSION BE RESTORED. (CAPITALS INTENDED).-- C00483033 23:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC) — C00483033 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
I've been sent a copy of a new age/occult magazine with interviews with Chic Cicero and Tabatha Cicero where they discuss their HOGD lodge. I'm not sure how to go about properly adding it to reference lists in the article, so I'm listing it here:
There's also the following podcast interviews wherein the Cicero HOGD is discussed:
The podcasts are on the Prime Podcast Network: http://www.primepodcast.com/new_age_bio.htm
I don't know if these are significant to lend weight to verifiability and notability, but here they are. If someone thinks they should be added and knows the proper format, please do. JMax555 06:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
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What does "initiatory lineage" through Regardie mean and how is this verified in the article exactly as being passed through Regardie to Cicero? Kephera975 04:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
There is none. However, this is not a NPOV article. Moreover, any comment which does not coincide with IPSOS agenda is either ignored; or actually edited out of the discussion.It is patently untrue that Israel Regardie initiated Charles "Chic" Cicero and/or Tabatha Cicero into ANY grade of the Golden Dawn. Charles "Chic" Cicero "self-initiated" himself into 0=0. Larry Epperson a/k/a Adam Forrest, a student of Regardie, initiated Charles "Chic" Cicero in the elemental grades. Cicero has admitted that he was never actually initiated into ANY grade by Regardie.
In fact, Regardie's only students were William Kennedy, Patricia Behman a/k/a Cris Monnastre, Larry Epperson a/k/a Adam Forrestt, and Alan Miller a/k/a Christopher Hyatt. In fact, Regardie left his literary estate, papers etc. to Alan Miller a/k/a Christopher Hyatt as Trustee of the Israel Regardie Foundation. Charles "Chic" Cicero's contacts with Regardie were, at best, incidental: Regardie visited him in Georgia in order to initiate Patricia Behman a/k/a Cris Monnastre in his vault; and exchanged a few letters with Cicero. Most of the papers "preserved” by HOGD, Inc. were purchased by Maria Babasingh from the Trustee of the Israel Regardie Foundation; and then given by her to Cicero (Babasingh is a director of HOGD. Inc.). Thus, Cicero cannot claim to derive any "lineage" from Regardie. -- C00483033 18:36, 15 August 2007
It would seem that anyone who does not agree with you is automatically a "sock puppet." This is particularly true when you do not wish to address a concrete issue.-- C00483033 21:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I BELEIVE THAT THE DELETION DISCUSSION FOR THIS PAGE WAS ARBITRARILY ENDED BY GLAS FET W/O CONSENSUS. I REQUEST THAT IT BE RE-OPENED AND THAT THE FULL TEXT OF THAT DISCUSSION BE RESTORED. (CAPITALS INTENDED).-- C00483033 23:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC) — C00483033 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
I've been sent a copy of a new age/occult magazine with interviews with Chic Cicero and Tabatha Cicero where they discuss their HOGD lodge. I'm not sure how to go about properly adding it to reference lists in the article, so I'm listing it here:
There's also the following podcast interviews wherein the Cicero HOGD is discussed:
The podcasts are on the Prime Podcast Network: http://www.primepodcast.com/new_age_bio.htm
I don't know if these are significant to lend weight to verifiability and notability, but here they are. If someone thinks they should be added and knows the proper format, please do. JMax555 06:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)