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This may seem minor to some but I'd like to get this on the discussion page since my intended edit seems incorrect at first glance: The Rake is 20. Everyone starts from zero, the first year of life, and works up. On your first birthday you are in your second year, on your 10th the 11th, and so on. Levelistchampion ( talk) 19:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Right and wrong. He was 20 when he was married. He had Isaiah, Charlotte, [that wretched girl] Dawn, and [ugly] Myfawnwy [sp?] after his marriage, and at the time of his death Isaiah was old enough to put up a fight, so at least four years have passed since the beginning of the Rake's song and our story.
Toa Zach (
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21:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Some of what's posted in this section seems like a listener's interpretation rather than an official story -- in particular, "The Hazards of Love 3 (Revenge!)". Nowhere is it explicitly stated that the dead children "bind and flog" him. A more appropriate interpretation of the line "Spare the rod, you'll spoil the child, but I prefer the lash" would be that it's simply Isaiah telling his father that he'd prefer to be beaten than burned. But it's still only an interpretation, so if there's an official source that states that the children beat the Rake, a link would be nice. I'll leave it alone for now, but if it's not official, I think it should be changed. - 6 x B 18:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
The plot synopsis is unsubstantiated. Despite it being a thorough analysis, per Wikipedia:No Original Research, it must be verifiable from a third-party source. Please cite the source for the synopsis. Thanks. pinotgris 15:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
→ Sadly, removed. pinotgris 00:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
→ Wouldn't this analysis fall under the discussion in Wikipedia:These_are_not_original_research#Works_of_fiction? Then all that would be needed is to cite the lyrics. Some work might still need to be done to remove "interpretative summaries", but I haven't read the whole summary so maybe not. -- Stupergenius ( talk) 18:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
→ Found a link to the lyrics from the artists' webpage if anyone wants to do any more work on a non-OR summary, if such a thing is possible. -- Stupergenius ( talk) 14:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
"Anything that can be observed by a reasonable person simply by reading the work itself, without interpretation, is not original research, but is reliance upon a primary source." --
Wikipedia:These_are_not_original_research#Works_of_fiction
Surely a consensus on a non-interpretive summary of the story can be approximated. I propose a track-by-track listing of the basic story elements as they are revealed. I'll edit in a version of this proposal for review if no discussion picks up on this page. —Preceding
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21:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, this is the gist of that I'm getting at:
...
As you can see, the description of the story is at a high enough level to be free of interpretation. It is clear from the edits on the real page that people want to have something of the story on the page. I am hoping something like this would satisfy that urge and perhaps set an a path for future edits -- to improve the summaries yet similarly leave out what is not exceedingly obvious from the text itself. It may help prevent an interpreted version of the story from being edited in again, and it could be something better to revert to when someone comes along and "improves" the page.
What exactly is said is not as important to me as it is that something be said. It seems to be appropriate to recount the story. How to accomplish it is what I want to talk about. What is the feeling about the suggested format -- short, non-interpretive summaries tied directly to the tracks in which the events occur? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.190.35 ( talk) 14:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
The supporting artists in the description seem to have been listed before album release. Many album articles on wikipedia show which artists contributed to each specific tracks. This information should be available to anyone who owns a physical copy of the album, as it is typically listed in the album jacket. Would anyone feel obliged to add this information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocconnick ( talk • contribs) 19:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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This may seem minor to some but I'd like to get this on the discussion page since my intended edit seems incorrect at first glance: The Rake is 20. Everyone starts from zero, the first year of life, and works up. On your first birthday you are in your second year, on your 10th the 11th, and so on. Levelistchampion ( talk) 19:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Right and wrong. He was 20 when he was married. He had Isaiah, Charlotte, [that wretched girl] Dawn, and [ugly] Myfawnwy [sp?] after his marriage, and at the time of his death Isaiah was old enough to put up a fight, so at least four years have passed since the beginning of the Rake's song and our story.
Toa Zach (
talk)
21:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Some of what's posted in this section seems like a listener's interpretation rather than an official story -- in particular, "The Hazards of Love 3 (Revenge!)". Nowhere is it explicitly stated that the dead children "bind and flog" him. A more appropriate interpretation of the line "Spare the rod, you'll spoil the child, but I prefer the lash" would be that it's simply Isaiah telling his father that he'd prefer to be beaten than burned. But it's still only an interpretation, so if there's an official source that states that the children beat the Rake, a link would be nice. I'll leave it alone for now, but if it's not official, I think it should be changed. - 6 x B 18:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
The plot synopsis is unsubstantiated. Despite it being a thorough analysis, per Wikipedia:No Original Research, it must be verifiable from a third-party source. Please cite the source for the synopsis. Thanks. pinotgris 15:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
→ Sadly, removed. pinotgris 00:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
→ Wouldn't this analysis fall under the discussion in Wikipedia:These_are_not_original_research#Works_of_fiction? Then all that would be needed is to cite the lyrics. Some work might still need to be done to remove "interpretative summaries", but I haven't read the whole summary so maybe not. -- Stupergenius ( talk) 18:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
→ Found a link to the lyrics from the artists' webpage if anyone wants to do any more work on a non-OR summary, if such a thing is possible. -- Stupergenius ( talk) 14:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
"Anything that can be observed by a reasonable person simply by reading the work itself, without interpretation, is not original research, but is reliance upon a primary source." --
Wikipedia:These_are_not_original_research#Works_of_fiction
Surely a consensus on a non-interpretive summary of the story can be approximated. I propose a track-by-track listing of the basic story elements as they are revealed. I'll edit in a version of this proposal for review if no discussion picks up on this page. —Preceding
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66.6.146.60 (
talk)
21:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, this is the gist of that I'm getting at:
...
As you can see, the description of the story is at a high enough level to be free of interpretation. It is clear from the edits on the real page that people want to have something of the story on the page. I am hoping something like this would satisfy that urge and perhaps set an a path for future edits -- to improve the summaries yet similarly leave out what is not exceedingly obvious from the text itself. It may help prevent an interpreted version of the story from being edited in again, and it could be something better to revert to when someone comes along and "improves" the page.
What exactly is said is not as important to me as it is that something be said. It seems to be appropriate to recount the story. How to accomplish it is what I want to talk about. What is the feeling about the suggested format -- short, non-interpretive summaries tied directly to the tracks in which the events occur? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.190.35 ( talk) 14:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
The supporting artists in the description seem to have been listed before album release. Many album articles on wikipedia show which artists contributed to each specific tracks. This information should be available to anyone who owns a physical copy of the album, as it is typically listed in the album jacket. Would anyone feel obliged to add this information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocconnick ( talk • contribs) 19:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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