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I have evidence from 2005 of British people (from the University of Kent at Canterbury where they learnt of the Game) playing and discussing the Game online. Also my co-worker at IBM from Warick University apparently used to write "You just lost the Game!" on whiteboards in lecture rooms to get people in the next lecture. I feel that its more than a little arrogant for those claiming that just because they hadn't heard of it before the article it must not exist. There are 53 variations of Tag listed in Wikipedia's article and not a single one has any sources at all (let alone the specific definition of "source" these people are demanding of a game that is based on trying to forget and not mention it). Why aren't these same people up in arms about Tag exactly as they are about The Game? Its because they apreciate that Tag (a child's game) is not the sort of thing that will have a rule book so everyone whose heard of it knows roughly what it is and how to play but there is no source to it. Why can't they then apreciate that The Game (a student game that you are meant to forget and not talk about) is likewise not the sort of thing that will have a rule book so everyone whose heard of it knows roughly what it is and how to play but there is no source to it. Summary To deleters: There is more online evidence for The Game than the rules and variations of Tag. No matter how much you remember your childhood variation of Tag it still fails against the rules you are applying to The Game with regards to sources and therefore by your own logic Tag does not exist and must have been invented by a couple of school-kids pranking wikipedia inventing a fake game, anyone indepentant who claims otherwise must be lying. Delete both or keep both or you are just another hypocrite. -- 84.69.10.98 ( talk) 08:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Please edit my post and Write your name if you want the Game to be in the list . The reason were already told. Plus The admins of the wikipedia in german (and other languages) agree in the game being added! 77.181.128.229 13:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Kroete7 ( talk) 05:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Are you guys serious? The Game is unverifiable? Hah! I live in Akron, OH and i know at least 100 people IN MY HOMETOWN ALONE that play it. I travel, and when i tell people about the game some of them already know! This is a conspiracy to cover up the most clever games ever concieved. This is typical, though. You suppress knowledge. Good job.
Man, what happened? I think Wikipedia is a little too bureaucratic about this. ACielecki —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 00:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok Who knows if the game is verifiable with anything you find of it most likely leading to 4chan or something awful, but it has become a iconic internet culture, and needs to be mentioned on the iconic internet data base of all thing useless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.40.147 ( talk) 01:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
-- The admins of the german Wikipedia dont have anything against mentioning The Game hmm .... ~Sim-value~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.223.221 ( talk) 11:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Wow that's really messed up that there's no page for the game, I personally know dozens of players, and it's part of internet culture. losethegame.com, your verification. The Game used to have an excellent page here, please bring it back admins. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
69.224.68.3 (
talk) 01:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Why does The Game (disambiguation) redirect to The Game rather than vice-versa? I have the feeling that some great admin is going to tell me some obvious Wiki-precedent that I don't know about, but I wanted to post this in the chance that this may be a mistake. Candent shlimazel 19:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I navigated straight to this page looking for what Wikipedia had to say about "The Game" and was confused that I couldn't find any mnention of it, considering that Wikipedia has descriptions of just about every other stupid Internet meme out there. I think that The Game happens to be one of the more clever ones, too. Furthermore, it doesn't detract from Wikipedia's value in any way. I'm sure more people know about the game than some of the Pokemons or city councillers who have their own articles on Wikipedia that haven't been deleted. MarXidad 02:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I am devestated, as am all my 100 friends or so whom play the game. I represent Warwick University, United Kingdom and our very dissapointed viewpoint!! I understand some of the points made below, however "the game" is real, relevant and an important part of the social fabric of many large groups of people in the UK and should be included on Wikipedia for those who would like to find out more about this important social phenomena. Kind Regards, Andrew Allen, Warwick University
I was thinking the exact same thing; unfortunetly given that I also went to Warwick University it seems my contribution is redundant ! Ryan Norman
I do not see why this article should continually be deleted. If written correctly, it serves as a good source of information on something that can be quite confusing to some. Whether it not it was created at a school has no grounding - take the card game Mao as an example. Mao (Card Game) has its own article, and the premise of it is very similar to this. I do not believe that people should have to be forced to go to urbandictionary to find information on this. EmileVictor 07:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Leaving aside the fact that I would consider it worthy of wikipedia (despite it possibly failing wikis strigent notability rule, which I dare say thousands of wiki articles do), if the admins have decided that it shouldn't be here then the Please do not add "the game (game)(mind game)(intangible game)(memory game) etc.", it was only recently deleted, see this page's discussion page or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Game (game) (6th nomination) notice needs to be more clear. As of today (11 April 07) it can be seen when you click edit for either The Game or Talk:The Game. However, clicking to edit a subsection of the game (e.g. Other) does not show this warning message. The warning, I feel, should appear either in all sections of the editing page, or a message should be displayed at the top of the actual (i.e. non-editing) page, to make it perfectly clear why the article doesn't exist and that it shouldn't be made. Although I disagree with it, I respect the admins' decision and think it should be more clear.
Melancholy inquery as to the status of The Game (game)... any progress?
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64.238.187.244 00:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
128.12.186.192 22:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
-- 129.215.45.67 23:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Clearly people are utterly determined to ignore the comment tag that was placed at the top of this page. I therefore quote it in full: Please do not add "the game (game)(mind game)(intangible game)(memory game) etc.", it was only recently deleted, see this page's discussion page or
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Game (game) (6th nomination). The article is gone. The Game was ruled non-notable and non-verifiable, and therefore not fit for inclusion in Wikipedia. And that includes attempting to recreate it by discussion on this talk page. Get the hell over it.
Kinitawowi 00:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it is pretty dumb to make such a big deal about having this article removed. Whether people like it or not, "the game" is real to a lot of people, and it brings many people joy in a unique way. I think this page should not only stay up, but should be elaborated on and moved to the article section to make it easier for people to view. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.149.131 ( talk) 06:17, March 14, 2007 (UTC)
Some might consider it unfit for Wikipedia, but many of us (probably many more) think that it is. What's the problem with leaving it alone? What harm does it do? Why is there so much pressure keeping it off the site? It's really quite silly, The Game is quite notable, and deserves an entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.93.238.196 ( talk) 02:57, March 18, 2007
The problem as I see it is that The Game is comical by nature, and therefore the temptation to make a comical article is great. This is, however, an encyclopedia. Which is precisely why I would like to see a suitable article about The Game. ~ 67.142.130.40 20:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there anyone who has access to that DeMorgen's paper who could get the author/title of that article? If we had that, we'd be one step closer to getting the article back. Heck, I think with that, assuming the author wasn't just homeless guy off the street, we'd be where we needed to be. Darquis 10:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
While it is clearly the opinion (maybe not consensus, but Wikipedia Is Not A Democracy) that
The Game (meme) is not deserving of a page in its own right (based on current sources or lack thereof), why can we not add
to the page The Game. There's no need for every item on a disambig or pseudo-disambig page to be a link surely? M0ffx 21:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
? So the word lol is somehow more encyclopedic than the game? Everybody plays it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL_%28Internet_slang%29 I don't see how that works. For every day that passes I loose more and more faith in the sensibility of wikipedians. You don't see lol in any dictionary or something, the amount of wikipedian qualification going for the mare equal, but we can all agree we should have lol, right? In another vein, I don't see how mentions on internet forums and blogs and now the dedicated communities counts not as a source for, at the very least, an internet meme.
Oh no, notability Nazis strike again! Thank god we still have our 6 page article on
Pikachu.
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71.29.193.111 —Preceding
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The above 3 discussions don't actually divulge the subject of the controversial article. Making them incomprehensible to most people. I'm assume the article is now The Game (treasure hunt)? ··gracefool ☺ 01:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
If we had an article you could find out.
The Game in question is a meme in which, if you think about The Game, you lose. There is no article at the moment, which is why people are complaining.
And personally, I would say it's quite notable, the biggest problem is, it's not the kind of thing you write stuff about. But then, LOL isn't the kind of thing you write stuff about. And I'm using the same example, because I'm not creative enough to come up with a new one. :P Seriously, though, it's all over the place, and if it's edited too often, well, so is StarCraft. -Littlebeast(Not a user) 04:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Real Life Comics references the game as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackAidley ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I emailed this to the web folks at the Game website:
I think the Game is cool. It's a neat idea, and I can appreciate your desire to market in as many effective ways possible. However, I take exception to your endorsement of wikifiti (wiki graffiti) to advertise your thing.
While not illegal, it's just really irritating. Wikipedia has already had to harden up because of people tagging articles with their nonsense. It's little better than urban dictionary at this point - and I'm amazed it has any quality whatsoever considering how people abuse it.
Just my 2 cents, I guess. It would be silly for me to mention that I won't play the Game if you folks want to market at all costs ... I'm sure you have plenty of people playing. On the other hand, I can verbally abuse anyone who wears a Game shirt or talks about it. It's not illegal, it's just really irritating.
I guess I'll check back again in a couple months to see if you've dropped the offending exhortation to mar Wikipedia with your advertising. There's a slim chance you care, after all.
Thanks!
I firmly believe that as a community, people who care about Wikipedia have a right to defend it against attempts to damage it, by reversing that damage and inhibiting it in ways that cause no harm. Slowing the spread of the Game by refusing to advertise for it is certainly a good way to go. As soon as the wikifiti stops, I'd say it makes sense to put an entry in for the Game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.22 ( talk) 08:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Since the links to the sites which discuss The Game are spam protected, I can't edit the section above which includes those sites, so let me try this in a new section.
In order to write an article on the meme, you are going to have to provide reliable sources. No one has yet to do so. Therefore, as The Game violates the basic tenet of Wikipedia as discussed at WP:V, there can be no article. Provide sources (and none of those linked above qualify), and there can be an article. Corvus cornix 20:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm very curious to know the group of people that are pro The Game the article, and the group of people who are against. What age group do you think? Also, I'm very confused. Could someone, in their own words (without giving me a Wikipedia guidelines page), give me the definition of reliable source? One that is not a logical fallacy please. This comment is no way implying or forcing an opinion, it is due to my own confusion. Hopefully someone can help me out here Dooga Talk 06:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Disregarding everyone else's opinions on the matter, I think that The Game (the YOU CAN'T WIN THIS GAME game, for disambiguation) should at least have its own article as an Internet phenomena, at least as a stub or something. Although it's virtually impossible to find any "official" documentation on it, as long as the originator doesn't come forth (with some form of validity, of course, something also virtually impossible on the Interwebs), which means there will pretty much always be people opposing its existence on the Wiki, there's no doubting that it's prominent - and it's growing. I've seen a number of people playing it as well, and it's something that has been rooting itself in the entirety of the Internet for a while, and it's still moving fast. As a phenomena, at least, I feel it fully deserves a page; at least in my opinion, there are a number of articles that have less merit than this anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.200.18 ( talk) 01:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm scythe33. I mostly bother with the scientific sections of Wikipedia, but I ended up here when I searched for this after someone told me about 'the game'. It seems like lot of you guys are Wikilawyering with the conditions for Verifiability and Notability. The verifiability and notability policies are the way they are for some very good reasons:
Verifiability, it would seem, is almost silly with this. Nearly every link I've seen that discusses this gives the exact same three rules. While the lack of an argument against an idea is hardly proof, I find it highly doubtful that the real rules of 'the game' are any different from those three-though there are obviously variants. Notability here is different. It's pointless to have an article on an encyclopedia if nobody will ever look for information on it in that encyclopedia. By that same token, it'd be ridiculous for us not to have an article on something that many people would want information on-not having an article on XKCD, for example. We can't just pass it off as "here are 8 people who looked it up", but there is another way to look at the question:
Now, the person who created the Game is not known, which means that the first possibility is not valid. Now, a google test is hardly a good argument for making an article, but the nature of the results that Google provides is meaningful. Many of the links go to rather-popular Internet forums. Users on (most) Internet forums usually tend be interested in things they read there-otherwise, they probably would not continue to be active members. Also, with considerable amounts of mentions on forums with large membership, it's not unlikely that a large number of people are reading the threads mentioning the game. If we really want to make sure that we give people information they might want, it'd be good to have an article on the game. At the same time, though, we need to consider the potential for a good article on the game. If anyone is willing to write it, they could write it in a comment here, or as a sub-page to their userpage, and those who had a problem with the original article(s) could make changes or suggestions they feel are necessary for a week or so, as needed, so that the new version will not be as flawed as the originals (apparently) were. Thanks, Scythe33 ( talk) 23:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
There are two true requirements to qualify for an article: Notability and Verifiability. If I can satisfactorally show that "The Game" is both of these (at least as notable and verifiable as any given article), then who would argue that it should not have a page? First, notability. Many against creation say that this subject is completely unnotable, like your best friend and your blog. They say that "The Game" is just something a 10th-grader invented and wants an article on. It's not notable. But then what is hopscotch? The same thing. But it has an article. While the game may not be as well-known as hopscotch, it is at least as well known as Believe It Or Not, Joe's Walking On Air. If it weren't notable, why are so many people trying to create it?
Second, verifiability. There are numerous websites dedicated to the game, and while none of them are exactly a "city paper", they do exist. Since these websites exist, there is knowledge of the game. If the game didn't exist, how could these websites know about it? If enough people play the game for it to be notable, then it MUST exist. Therefore, since it's notable, it logically exists. It can be logically verified. If something is notable, it exists. If it exists and it is notable, as per meta:Wiki is not paper, it should have an article.
To summarize: If this were not notable, there would be very few people trying to make this an article. If a majority rules that this is notable, then it is. If it's notable, then it must exist; if not in actuality, then the shared idea.
Please point out any flaws, I'll be happy to fix them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.164.23 ( talk) 20:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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I have evidence from 2005 of British people (from the University of Kent at Canterbury where they learnt of the Game) playing and discussing the Game online. Also my co-worker at IBM from Warick University apparently used to write "You just lost the Game!" on whiteboards in lecture rooms to get people in the next lecture. I feel that its more than a little arrogant for those claiming that just because they hadn't heard of it before the article it must not exist. There are 53 variations of Tag listed in Wikipedia's article and not a single one has any sources at all (let alone the specific definition of "source" these people are demanding of a game that is based on trying to forget and not mention it). Why aren't these same people up in arms about Tag exactly as they are about The Game? Its because they apreciate that Tag (a child's game) is not the sort of thing that will have a rule book so everyone whose heard of it knows roughly what it is and how to play but there is no source to it. Why can't they then apreciate that The Game (a student game that you are meant to forget and not talk about) is likewise not the sort of thing that will have a rule book so everyone whose heard of it knows roughly what it is and how to play but there is no source to it. Summary To deleters: There is more online evidence for The Game than the rules and variations of Tag. No matter how much you remember your childhood variation of Tag it still fails against the rules you are applying to The Game with regards to sources and therefore by your own logic Tag does not exist and must have been invented by a couple of school-kids pranking wikipedia inventing a fake game, anyone indepentant who claims otherwise must be lying. Delete both or keep both or you are just another hypocrite. -- 84.69.10.98 ( talk) 08:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Please edit my post and Write your name if you want the Game to be in the list . The reason were already told. Plus The admins of the wikipedia in german (and other languages) agree in the game being added! 77.181.128.229 13:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Kroete7 ( talk) 05:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Are you guys serious? The Game is unverifiable? Hah! I live in Akron, OH and i know at least 100 people IN MY HOMETOWN ALONE that play it. I travel, and when i tell people about the game some of them already know! This is a conspiracy to cover up the most clever games ever concieved. This is typical, though. You suppress knowledge. Good job.
Man, what happened? I think Wikipedia is a little too bureaucratic about this. ACielecki —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 00:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok Who knows if the game is verifiable with anything you find of it most likely leading to 4chan or something awful, but it has become a iconic internet culture, and needs to be mentioned on the iconic internet data base of all thing useless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.40.147 ( talk) 01:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
-- The admins of the german Wikipedia dont have anything against mentioning The Game hmm .... ~Sim-value~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.223.221 ( talk) 11:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Wow that's really messed up that there's no page for the game, I personally know dozens of players, and it's part of internet culture. losethegame.com, your verification. The Game used to have an excellent page here, please bring it back admins. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
69.224.68.3 (
talk) 01:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Why does The Game (disambiguation) redirect to The Game rather than vice-versa? I have the feeling that some great admin is going to tell me some obvious Wiki-precedent that I don't know about, but I wanted to post this in the chance that this may be a mistake. Candent shlimazel 19:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I navigated straight to this page looking for what Wikipedia had to say about "The Game" and was confused that I couldn't find any mnention of it, considering that Wikipedia has descriptions of just about every other stupid Internet meme out there. I think that The Game happens to be one of the more clever ones, too. Furthermore, it doesn't detract from Wikipedia's value in any way. I'm sure more people know about the game than some of the Pokemons or city councillers who have their own articles on Wikipedia that haven't been deleted. MarXidad 02:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I am devestated, as am all my 100 friends or so whom play the game. I represent Warwick University, United Kingdom and our very dissapointed viewpoint!! I understand some of the points made below, however "the game" is real, relevant and an important part of the social fabric of many large groups of people in the UK and should be included on Wikipedia for those who would like to find out more about this important social phenomena. Kind Regards, Andrew Allen, Warwick University
I was thinking the exact same thing; unfortunetly given that I also went to Warwick University it seems my contribution is redundant ! Ryan Norman
I do not see why this article should continually be deleted. If written correctly, it serves as a good source of information on something that can be quite confusing to some. Whether it not it was created at a school has no grounding - take the card game Mao as an example. Mao (Card Game) has its own article, and the premise of it is very similar to this. I do not believe that people should have to be forced to go to urbandictionary to find information on this. EmileVictor 07:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Leaving aside the fact that I would consider it worthy of wikipedia (despite it possibly failing wikis strigent notability rule, which I dare say thousands of wiki articles do), if the admins have decided that it shouldn't be here then the Please do not add "the game (game)(mind game)(intangible game)(memory game) etc.", it was only recently deleted, see this page's discussion page or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Game (game) (6th nomination) notice needs to be more clear. As of today (11 April 07) it can be seen when you click edit for either The Game or Talk:The Game. However, clicking to edit a subsection of the game (e.g. Other) does not show this warning message. The warning, I feel, should appear either in all sections of the editing page, or a message should be displayed at the top of the actual (i.e. non-editing) page, to make it perfectly clear why the article doesn't exist and that it shouldn't be made. Although I disagree with it, I respect the admins' decision and think it should be more clear.
Melancholy inquery as to the status of The Game (game)... any progress?
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64.238.187.244 00:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
128.12.186.192 22:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
-- 129.215.45.67 23:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Clearly people are utterly determined to ignore the comment tag that was placed at the top of this page. I therefore quote it in full: Please do not add "the game (game)(mind game)(intangible game)(memory game) etc.", it was only recently deleted, see this page's discussion page or
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Game (game) (6th nomination). The article is gone. The Game was ruled non-notable and non-verifiable, and therefore not fit for inclusion in Wikipedia. And that includes attempting to recreate it by discussion on this talk page. Get the hell over it.
Kinitawowi 00:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it is pretty dumb to make such a big deal about having this article removed. Whether people like it or not, "the game" is real to a lot of people, and it brings many people joy in a unique way. I think this page should not only stay up, but should be elaborated on and moved to the article section to make it easier for people to view. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.149.131 ( talk) 06:17, March 14, 2007 (UTC)
Some might consider it unfit for Wikipedia, but many of us (probably many more) think that it is. What's the problem with leaving it alone? What harm does it do? Why is there so much pressure keeping it off the site? It's really quite silly, The Game is quite notable, and deserves an entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.93.238.196 ( talk) 02:57, March 18, 2007
The problem as I see it is that The Game is comical by nature, and therefore the temptation to make a comical article is great. This is, however, an encyclopedia. Which is precisely why I would like to see a suitable article about The Game. ~ 67.142.130.40 20:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there anyone who has access to that DeMorgen's paper who could get the author/title of that article? If we had that, we'd be one step closer to getting the article back. Heck, I think with that, assuming the author wasn't just homeless guy off the street, we'd be where we needed to be. Darquis 10:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
While it is clearly the opinion (maybe not consensus, but Wikipedia Is Not A Democracy) that
The Game (meme) is not deserving of a page in its own right (based on current sources or lack thereof), why can we not add
to the page The Game. There's no need for every item on a disambig or pseudo-disambig page to be a link surely? M0ffx 21:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
? So the word lol is somehow more encyclopedic than the game? Everybody plays it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL_%28Internet_slang%29 I don't see how that works. For every day that passes I loose more and more faith in the sensibility of wikipedians. You don't see lol in any dictionary or something, the amount of wikipedian qualification going for the mare equal, but we can all agree we should have lol, right? In another vein, I don't see how mentions on internet forums and blogs and now the dedicated communities counts not as a source for, at the very least, an internet meme.
Oh no, notability Nazis strike again! Thank god we still have our 6 page article on
Pikachu.
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71.29.193.111 —Preceding
comment was added at 01:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
The above 3 discussions don't actually divulge the subject of the controversial article. Making them incomprehensible to most people. I'm assume the article is now The Game (treasure hunt)? ··gracefool ☺ 01:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
If we had an article you could find out.
The Game in question is a meme in which, if you think about The Game, you lose. There is no article at the moment, which is why people are complaining.
And personally, I would say it's quite notable, the biggest problem is, it's not the kind of thing you write stuff about. But then, LOL isn't the kind of thing you write stuff about. And I'm using the same example, because I'm not creative enough to come up with a new one. :P Seriously, though, it's all over the place, and if it's edited too often, well, so is StarCraft. -Littlebeast(Not a user) 04:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Real Life Comics references the game as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackAidley ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I emailed this to the web folks at the Game website:
I think the Game is cool. It's a neat idea, and I can appreciate your desire to market in as many effective ways possible. However, I take exception to your endorsement of wikifiti (wiki graffiti) to advertise your thing.
While not illegal, it's just really irritating. Wikipedia has already had to harden up because of people tagging articles with their nonsense. It's little better than urban dictionary at this point - and I'm amazed it has any quality whatsoever considering how people abuse it.
Just my 2 cents, I guess. It would be silly for me to mention that I won't play the Game if you folks want to market at all costs ... I'm sure you have plenty of people playing. On the other hand, I can verbally abuse anyone who wears a Game shirt or talks about it. It's not illegal, it's just really irritating.
I guess I'll check back again in a couple months to see if you've dropped the offending exhortation to mar Wikipedia with your advertising. There's a slim chance you care, after all.
Thanks!
I firmly believe that as a community, people who care about Wikipedia have a right to defend it against attempts to damage it, by reversing that damage and inhibiting it in ways that cause no harm. Slowing the spread of the Game by refusing to advertise for it is certainly a good way to go. As soon as the wikifiti stops, I'd say it makes sense to put an entry in for the Game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.80.22 ( talk) 08:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Since the links to the sites which discuss The Game are spam protected, I can't edit the section above which includes those sites, so let me try this in a new section.
In order to write an article on the meme, you are going to have to provide reliable sources. No one has yet to do so. Therefore, as The Game violates the basic tenet of Wikipedia as discussed at WP:V, there can be no article. Provide sources (and none of those linked above qualify), and there can be an article. Corvus cornix 20:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm very curious to know the group of people that are pro The Game the article, and the group of people who are against. What age group do you think? Also, I'm very confused. Could someone, in their own words (without giving me a Wikipedia guidelines page), give me the definition of reliable source? One that is not a logical fallacy please. This comment is no way implying or forcing an opinion, it is due to my own confusion. Hopefully someone can help me out here Dooga Talk 06:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Disregarding everyone else's opinions on the matter, I think that The Game (the YOU CAN'T WIN THIS GAME game, for disambiguation) should at least have its own article as an Internet phenomena, at least as a stub or something. Although it's virtually impossible to find any "official" documentation on it, as long as the originator doesn't come forth (with some form of validity, of course, something also virtually impossible on the Interwebs), which means there will pretty much always be people opposing its existence on the Wiki, there's no doubting that it's prominent - and it's growing. I've seen a number of people playing it as well, and it's something that has been rooting itself in the entirety of the Internet for a while, and it's still moving fast. As a phenomena, at least, I feel it fully deserves a page; at least in my opinion, there are a number of articles that have less merit than this anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.200.18 ( talk) 01:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm scythe33. I mostly bother with the scientific sections of Wikipedia, but I ended up here when I searched for this after someone told me about 'the game'. It seems like lot of you guys are Wikilawyering with the conditions for Verifiability and Notability. The verifiability and notability policies are the way they are for some very good reasons:
Verifiability, it would seem, is almost silly with this. Nearly every link I've seen that discusses this gives the exact same three rules. While the lack of an argument against an idea is hardly proof, I find it highly doubtful that the real rules of 'the game' are any different from those three-though there are obviously variants. Notability here is different. It's pointless to have an article on an encyclopedia if nobody will ever look for information on it in that encyclopedia. By that same token, it'd be ridiculous for us not to have an article on something that many people would want information on-not having an article on XKCD, for example. We can't just pass it off as "here are 8 people who looked it up", but there is another way to look at the question:
Now, the person who created the Game is not known, which means that the first possibility is not valid. Now, a google test is hardly a good argument for making an article, but the nature of the results that Google provides is meaningful. Many of the links go to rather-popular Internet forums. Users on (most) Internet forums usually tend be interested in things they read there-otherwise, they probably would not continue to be active members. Also, with considerable amounts of mentions on forums with large membership, it's not unlikely that a large number of people are reading the threads mentioning the game. If we really want to make sure that we give people information they might want, it'd be good to have an article on the game. At the same time, though, we need to consider the potential for a good article on the game. If anyone is willing to write it, they could write it in a comment here, or as a sub-page to their userpage, and those who had a problem with the original article(s) could make changes or suggestions they feel are necessary for a week or so, as needed, so that the new version will not be as flawed as the originals (apparently) were. Thanks, Scythe33 ( talk) 23:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
There are two true requirements to qualify for an article: Notability and Verifiability. If I can satisfactorally show that "The Game" is both of these (at least as notable and verifiable as any given article), then who would argue that it should not have a page? First, notability. Many against creation say that this subject is completely unnotable, like your best friend and your blog. They say that "The Game" is just something a 10th-grader invented and wants an article on. It's not notable. But then what is hopscotch? The same thing. But it has an article. While the game may not be as well-known as hopscotch, it is at least as well known as Believe It Or Not, Joe's Walking On Air. If it weren't notable, why are so many people trying to create it?
Second, verifiability. There are numerous websites dedicated to the game, and while none of them are exactly a "city paper", they do exist. Since these websites exist, there is knowledge of the game. If the game didn't exist, how could these websites know about it? If enough people play the game for it to be notable, then it MUST exist. Therefore, since it's notable, it logically exists. It can be logically verified. If something is notable, it exists. If it exists and it is notable, as per meta:Wiki is not paper, it should have an article.
To summarize: If this were not notable, there would be very few people trying to make this an article. If a majority rules that this is notable, then it is. If it's notable, then it must exist; if not in actuality, then the shared idea.
Please point out any flaws, I'll be happy to fix them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.164.23 ( talk) 20:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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