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Edited 'Books in the Series' section with a notification of a well known fact about The Dresden Files - that each fifth book is about The Order of the Blackened Denarius - and user RJFJR decided that my clear, concise, well reasoned and written statement of fact required removing. This is why I don't edit Wikipedia of any kind of Wiki website; my edits, regardless of merit, are removed almost instantly by another user without any actual grounds to do so. - Olliejmiles [Wikipedia], or @KlokwerkSolja, Vivatdraco@yahoo.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olliejmiles ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
This book series is one of the best I've ever read. If you haven't read it, do yourself a favor and rectify that. - GG Crono
Go ahead and merge it. I don't know how. - GG Crono
To whomever added the extended characters page: We should really keep this page trimmed a bit. The small bits really don't tell the reader of this article much. If you feel up to writing a mini-bio, go for it, but I'd prefer to keep this trim and informitive. - GG Crono
And I didn't see an Author Bio With The Dresden Files , And I'm new at the Wiki so I dont feel comfortable at editing the page yet, so If some one could add one It would be great
the book club edition and I couldn't add it because of the chart. Here is the ISBN13 (9780739476581) October 2006. If the creator of the chart could please add this to the list I would be greatful. --Sandpanther 01:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to breakout the characters into a separate article. Reformatted and reworded them a lot to fit better with Wiki, too.
Yes, they really should be seperate. It couldn't hurt to be more consise in the introduction either, it doesn't read as well as it might. - On a side note, I've read the first three books myself, they're fairly interesting but nothing to go crazy over. -
They get better. Read 5-8
Bob in the books is totally different from Bob on the TV show. In the books he is a genius air spirit bound to a skull. On the show he is the ghost of a long dead wizard.
This article needs serious revision in the writing department. I plan on going over the vampire court articles specifically, when I find the time. Probably when winter break comes around in two weeks. Oneangrypirate 12:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC) oneangrypirate
I believe that there is an error in the description of the Red Court. It describes them as being organized in a feudalistic caste system. However, caste systems are hereditary with little social mobilitity. In the books the vampire Bianca is promoted into the nobility which seems to imply that they have a purely feudalistic organization.
Is this series at all related to the DC comic character John Constantine, a recurring character primarily in the vertigo seies of books with large roles in Hellblazer the primary book featuring that character as well as minor roles in sandman, shade the changing man, the books of magic, etc. I'm just asking cause the concept of combining hardboiled detective with a wizard seems characteristic enough to note the similarities? Has the author ever commented one way or the other on a similar question?-- 72.200.80.15 01:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
When someone does the cleanup for this article, they may want to consider putting in a section on how magic and paranormal zoology differ from other universes. The use of swords and guns by magic users, for starters, is not often seen in other universes. The Taped Crusader 09:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The following sentence does not seem justified to me: He is the keeper of the Outer Gates, and has the power to see the past and future. The part about job is specualtion as is the suggestion that he knows the future (especially given it could be a violation of the 7th law of magic). I've moved it here unless we can justify it. RJFJR 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
In the eighth Dresden novel, Proven Guilty, pp. 39-41, Bob the Skull talks to Harry about the Gatekeeper giving Harry a warning about black magic in town that he, Harry, needs to put a stop to, and the possibility of temporal paradox. Here's the portion of the conversation that relates to the Gatekeeper's possible powers:
"[The Gatekeeper] got this from hindsight, he had to," Bob said.
"Hindsight," I murmured. "You mean he went to the future for this?"
"Well," Bob hedged. "That would break one of the Laws, so probably not. But he might have sent himself a message from there, or maybe gotten it from some kind of prognosticating spirit. He might even have developed some ability for that himself. Some wizards do."
So while we don't know what the Gatekeeper's powers are, it seems to be canon that he has some method--although we don't know what it is--of foreseeing future events. -- Rhysdux 00:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the description is not really ability to see events of the future and past, but more the ability to communicate through the stream of time. From the quotes of Bob, it seems he looks back at the past, then sends the message to himself in the past. I think of the following analogy, passing a note in class, its trecherous to get it from the front row to the back row, but sometimes you can see some things up front that you can't in back. The actual medium for this kind of communication is unclear, if he sends it to himself in a manner he will recognize as something from the future. Or the way it sounds more likely to me is the prognosticating line. Meaning that he looks at the current state of affairs and INFERS possible future scenarios, then goes about preparing for them. When one is no longer viable then it obviously will not become the future. Bob leaves this open as either his' (the gatekeeper) ability or that of a spirit he employs. -- Trs8200 10:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Whoever keeps changing the info on the council to say that Dresden et al. is more on the progressive side of the council you have it backwards - changed it back with more clarity. The progressive/modern approach is that of the Merlin and his flunkies... If the Merlin had been more conservative Dresden and him would get along a lot better :)
We need to create, at the very least stubs, articles for the books and appriopriate edits to the disambuigation pages.-- Thanks, Yossi842 00:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
On the listing of Audiobooks, #4 is listed as Fool Moon. It should be Summer Knight. Not sure if the ISBN number is correct. I'd change it myself, but I'm not sure how. The WikiForce is not strong in me (yet) NotThatKat 22:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the 5th book was recently released as audio book. Perhaps someone could confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.94.156.128 ( talk) 07:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it worth listing the UK paperback editions separately? They have different ISBN numbers (my copy of Dead Beat is 978-1-84149-528-6), different cover art, and the latest book, White Night, is out in paperback here.
Edit: No it isn't; It was Proven Guilty I found. 145.8.171.98 13:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a paragraph that has been added twice to the section on the KotC. Personally, I believed it to be speculative, and outside of the bounds of the article, but it was added again. Here is the text of it:
From my reading of the books, nothing about this is in there, and as such, such speculation is not appropriate for this article. Please add your imput. -- Donovan Ravenhull 07:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted the section on the street wolves since I felt it was lacking any useful content. Furthermore this section only pertains to a very minor group of characters in the novel that don't deserve treatment in their own section. Mrobfire 22:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't recall mention of this; source book? Abb3w 18:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
There is also one more angel that is bound within a burned gold Roman denarius.
What are "Omnibus editions" - how about explaning that. -- IceHunter 13:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking of cleaning this up, and the addition of the Wikipedia:Notability tag has pushed me into making an attempt. I like the content here (and loved the novels), so I'm not inclined to kill anything, but the vast majority of the information is clearly in-universe. I'm thinking that the article needs narrative, publishing history, plot summary (of the series - more detailed plots should be on the individual book pages) and should acknowledge the TV series and RPG as well as giving greater precedence to the novels. I would like to see sections such as Organizations spun off into separate pages, but I figure that this is something that should be discussed here first, so I won't be touching them. My biggest lack at the moment is decent articles discussing the series of novels (TV series easy, novels hard) although I'm planning to reference a few of the interviews floating around. Any help would be much appreciated, and let me know if I'm stepping on any toes. Bilby ( talk) 11:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
i have no idea how to edit this but I JUST finished White Night (Dresden Files Book9) and the paperbacks ISBN is 978-0-451-46155-1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuhlenkott ( talk • contribs) 08:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if any body's still reading this, but I did a bit of work on the article today and wanted to mention it in case anyone else wanted to work on improving it.
I've done a little bit of copy editing and formatted the article to get related sections together. For the sake of organization I placed the plot related elements first (as recommended by the novels wikiproject). Some of this could probably be merged or trimmed but I don't feel confidant enough in the material to do that since I'm only up to book 3 yet. The 7 rules of magic would probably be deemed unencyclopedic fan material but I left it there for the time being. Same goes for the pop culture reference article. The description of the staff glowing on the cover of each book was definitely unencyclopedic so that I did remove it, but if anyone wants to write about the art from a real world point of view -- how the artist came on board, methods and style, ect -- that would be fine.
Next publication information, which at the moment is just a list of different formats of publishing it. I didn't change anything major, but some improvements could be made. The list of books released could be expanded to include a one paragraph summary each, like some TV seasons do. Other media is fine where it is. I did like the section about the comic book adaptation and how the series itself came to be. Any chance we could get more citations in here?
One thing that is missing from this article is critical response. Have there been any reviews from major literary critics? Any sales records? This would be a good place to add "real world information" and citations. Hewinsj ( talk) 04:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Hiya guys. Can anyone give me some source you got to know of the twelfth Dresden Files book ("Changes") from? I was unable to spot this on Jim Butcher's page, as well as google it out. Thanks in advance. - Iyoo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.75.87.2 ( talk) 07:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I remember hearing it in this podcasts at Butcher Block BB016 - Reading Ahead. He says it towards the end. I hope this helps.-- Nikpack ( talk) 20:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I have looked around the various Dresden files pages and can't find the Unseelie accords mentioned. They could be included in various ways, but I think the series of articles could gain in clarity if we created a new page on the rules that governs the supernatural world in the Dresden universe, and merge the existing page on the seven laws of magic into it. This article would include:
(*)Quote from White night, chapter 43: "...twenty on the whole planet. Two dragons, Drakul -the original, not baby Vlad- the Archive, the CEO of Monoc securities, some kind of semi-immortal shapeshifter guru in the Ukraine, people like that. The Accords let them sign on as individuals. They have the same rights and obligations." ( De fideli ( talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 09:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
The division of the Plot part of this article could be improved I think. It doesn't make much sense to have separate pages for groups and organizations. And we need to add a page that explains what the supernatural world involves in the Dresden Universe.
So, I suggest we keep three subsections under the "Plot" headline:
I'd like some feedback and your thoughts before I go ahead with this.( De fideli ( talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 09:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
As a resident of Chicago I can attest that the author's understanding of what Chicago is actually like seems to come exclusively from research due to a number of errors that occur throughout the series (streets that don't actually intersect, descriptions of neighborhoods that are flat-out wrong, etc.). There should probably be a mention of that on the page. And I know, citations needed, I just don't have any copies at hand. -- 67.175.159.243 ( talk) 22:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone thought of a timeline for the Dresden Files? I just read the first sentence from Changes, the 12th book, and it talks about Harry and Susan's daughter, but I don't know how old she could be since he's not consistent with the time between novels. Anyone want to help me make one. Not by year, since he never really gives specific reference to a year, but just by how many years are between books.
By the way, the first sentence can be found on his Twitter page located at http://twitter.com/longshotauthor. It's a few posts down, but he gives the first sentence of the next book, due out sometime in 2010, tentatively April. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BEPhunkMan713 ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Jim Butcher's site (on the email him page) says that there are going to be 23 books in the series "20 'case books,' like those we've seen so far, plus a 3-book apocalyptic trilogy" should that go in the article somewhere? -- Blackstone Dresden ( talk) 15:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
The listing of Side Jobs as the 13th novel in the Dresden Files should be removed. That is an anthology of all the short stories that have taken place throughout the series so far and a couple that take place after Changes. It is not a novel really continuing the story and should be listed in the short stories section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.123.45.33 ( talk) 01:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
On Amazon it says that the 13th book will be released on April 5th, and it says it will be released in April on Jim Bitcher's website: This needs to be changed from what it currently says(March something or other.) I tried to figure out how to change it, but it won't come up when I press the edit button!
Good work. A well written summary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.166.15.114 ( talk) 16:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Book 14 of the Dresden Files will be entitled "Winter Knight"--source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0K3XM-Ghc (after 2:30). Someone might want to add this to the article, I'm not very wiki-savvy.
In the bibliography, the hardcover ISBN for the 12th book in the series, Changes, is invalid and yields no search results. The correct one is:
0-4514-6317-X
as you can see on the
Amazon page for it. I tried to figure out how to change it, but accessing the page that it's on is too complicated for me. --
Flib (
talk)
14:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm planning on taking on a long-term slow-motion project of cleaning up / reducing the plot summaries on the novel articles. I've been working on Cold Days over the last couple weeks and plan to move elsewhere in the series afterwards. If anyone would like to assist / collaborate, let me know! -- ElHef ( talk) 14:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
The table says the date is the 3rd of december, 2013. However, I can find no confirmation of this fact anywhere, nor is there a citation in the table or at the bottom. http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/skin-game-15 is a page from the author's website, and it too has no information on a date. Is it bogus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulcd2000 ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
December 3 is the date of the anthology Dangerous Women that includes a Molly short story. That being the case, Amazon etc are doing the normal practice of making up dates and just grabbed this one from the anthology. Until we get confirmation I say it's incorrect. Xeddicus ( talk) 04:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Amazon is not Jim Butcher or his publisher. That page proves nothing. Amazon makes up release dates all the time for everything since it's required to sell pre-orders. Xeddicus ( talk) 06:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty well-known that Amazon puts whatever they think for release dates. Amazon's release date is not an authoritative source. Until Butcher's own site or his publisher provide a release date, everything else is speculation. December 3 could still be correct, but no one (least of all a random Amazon.com drone) knows for sure - or if they do, they're not saying. Ilaeria ( talk) 07:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Amazon just pushed the date on Skin Game back to July 3rd sometime today, even though the publisher still shows May 27th. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 22:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
This shows up when editing as "{ {The Dresden Files bibliography} }" no spaces between the brackets.
I expected to find a wikitable. I'm not sure the above is a reference to somewhere else, just a title, or ???
Anyway, how do I find the table of books? I want to add a column for Audio Publisher, and remove a lot of verbage following the table that just lists dates and companies and contains dated references.
Thanks HiTechHiTouch ( talk) 13:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
diff looks like OR to me. RJFJR ( talk) 18:06, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
What, the Denarians appearing on multiples of five? Did you check your math on that one? I'm sure that's not right. That would indicate a pattern and some kind of plan, and everyone knows I'm making this stuff up as I go. I just said so, right up there.
See you in AZ!
Does anyone else feel the Plot section is not very focused on much of anything (particularly the plot), and is maybe just a little too long? The second paragraph, in particular, seems to be somewhat out-of-place and unnecessary. I might write up a quick suggested alternative and throw it up here, but does anyone have any thoughts? AtomsOrSystems ( talk) 17:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
How about this? Links, I think, should point to the Dresdenverse variety of the creatures; at least a point can be made to do so. The rest might just be a liking for another variety of english. MinorStoop ( talk) 21:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
We'll wait for him, then. MinorStoop ( talk) 19:17, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Just as an addendum: I, too would prefer a series of subsections, but that would require significant expansion to do it right. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 22:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
@ IronGargoyle:
I'm not sure that this is the place nor the way to mention the Black and Gray Council. First, this is the most general Dresden Files page, only an introductory overview is needed. Second, the Councils were important in Turn Coat, and things have moved on since that book; since Cold Days Harry Dresden is clearly to assume an important role against the Outsiders.
If the Overview section is to be modified I'd like to reach some sort of conclusion about what to include - the Councils are very small a part of it.
MinorStoop ( talk) 16:15, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
I've got to admit, I'm slightly bemused as to why we cannot add information about Peace Talks based on the announcement on Jim-Butcher.com, as per the comment in the Bibliography section:
when speculation about the titles based of the final three books based on a 'hints' from Jim at a signing is allowed where there are no sources listed. If it is preferred that it is not appended to the table until we have full information, would anyone have a problem with a statement being tacked to the end of the section to the effect of:
with http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/peace-talks-16 cited as the source?
Cheers,
UselessInfoMine ( talk) 13:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello. The page states "The series' first six novels were originally only published as paperbacks, but in 2007, ROC changed its strategy and began to publish hardcover reprints of books one to six."
Below that, the Bibliography section lists Book 1 as having a hardcover release date in November 6 2000. Looking on amazon https://www.amazon.com/Storm-Front-Dresden-Files-Book/dp/0451461975/ The hardcover has a release date of November 6 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.9.75.196 ( talk) 14:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
There was a page called "Dresden Files characters", with dozens of characters, and it's simply gone.
Instead, on the main Dresden Files page, there's a section called Characters that has Harry, Bob, and Karrin... and no one else.
What happened?
If you're on the page for a given book, it shows "Introduced Characters" and then a link to "Dresden Files Characters"... which now brings you back here. Magnabonzo ( talk) 00:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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Edited 'Books in the Series' section with a notification of a well known fact about The Dresden Files - that each fifth book is about The Order of the Blackened Denarius - and user RJFJR decided that my clear, concise, well reasoned and written statement of fact required removing. This is why I don't edit Wikipedia of any kind of Wiki website; my edits, regardless of merit, are removed almost instantly by another user without any actual grounds to do so. - Olliejmiles [Wikipedia], or @KlokwerkSolja, Vivatdraco@yahoo.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olliejmiles ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
This book series is one of the best I've ever read. If you haven't read it, do yourself a favor and rectify that. - GG Crono
Go ahead and merge it. I don't know how. - GG Crono
To whomever added the extended characters page: We should really keep this page trimmed a bit. The small bits really don't tell the reader of this article much. If you feel up to writing a mini-bio, go for it, but I'd prefer to keep this trim and informitive. - GG Crono
And I didn't see an Author Bio With The Dresden Files , And I'm new at the Wiki so I dont feel comfortable at editing the page yet, so If some one could add one It would be great
the book club edition and I couldn't add it because of the chart. Here is the ISBN13 (9780739476581) October 2006. If the creator of the chart could please add this to the list I would be greatful. --Sandpanther 01:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to breakout the characters into a separate article. Reformatted and reworded them a lot to fit better with Wiki, too.
Yes, they really should be seperate. It couldn't hurt to be more consise in the introduction either, it doesn't read as well as it might. - On a side note, I've read the first three books myself, they're fairly interesting but nothing to go crazy over. -
They get better. Read 5-8
Bob in the books is totally different from Bob on the TV show. In the books he is a genius air spirit bound to a skull. On the show he is the ghost of a long dead wizard.
This article needs serious revision in the writing department. I plan on going over the vampire court articles specifically, when I find the time. Probably when winter break comes around in two weeks. Oneangrypirate 12:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC) oneangrypirate
I believe that there is an error in the description of the Red Court. It describes them as being organized in a feudalistic caste system. However, caste systems are hereditary with little social mobilitity. In the books the vampire Bianca is promoted into the nobility which seems to imply that they have a purely feudalistic organization.
Is this series at all related to the DC comic character John Constantine, a recurring character primarily in the vertigo seies of books with large roles in Hellblazer the primary book featuring that character as well as minor roles in sandman, shade the changing man, the books of magic, etc. I'm just asking cause the concept of combining hardboiled detective with a wizard seems characteristic enough to note the similarities? Has the author ever commented one way or the other on a similar question?-- 72.200.80.15 01:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
When someone does the cleanup for this article, they may want to consider putting in a section on how magic and paranormal zoology differ from other universes. The use of swords and guns by magic users, for starters, is not often seen in other universes. The Taped Crusader 09:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The following sentence does not seem justified to me: He is the keeper of the Outer Gates, and has the power to see the past and future. The part about job is specualtion as is the suggestion that he knows the future (especially given it could be a violation of the 7th law of magic). I've moved it here unless we can justify it. RJFJR 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
In the eighth Dresden novel, Proven Guilty, pp. 39-41, Bob the Skull talks to Harry about the Gatekeeper giving Harry a warning about black magic in town that he, Harry, needs to put a stop to, and the possibility of temporal paradox. Here's the portion of the conversation that relates to the Gatekeeper's possible powers:
"[The Gatekeeper] got this from hindsight, he had to," Bob said.
"Hindsight," I murmured. "You mean he went to the future for this?"
"Well," Bob hedged. "That would break one of the Laws, so probably not. But he might have sent himself a message from there, or maybe gotten it from some kind of prognosticating spirit. He might even have developed some ability for that himself. Some wizards do."
So while we don't know what the Gatekeeper's powers are, it seems to be canon that he has some method--although we don't know what it is--of foreseeing future events. -- Rhysdux 00:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the description is not really ability to see events of the future and past, but more the ability to communicate through the stream of time. From the quotes of Bob, it seems he looks back at the past, then sends the message to himself in the past. I think of the following analogy, passing a note in class, its trecherous to get it from the front row to the back row, but sometimes you can see some things up front that you can't in back. The actual medium for this kind of communication is unclear, if he sends it to himself in a manner he will recognize as something from the future. Or the way it sounds more likely to me is the prognosticating line. Meaning that he looks at the current state of affairs and INFERS possible future scenarios, then goes about preparing for them. When one is no longer viable then it obviously will not become the future. Bob leaves this open as either his' (the gatekeeper) ability or that of a spirit he employs. -- Trs8200 10:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Whoever keeps changing the info on the council to say that Dresden et al. is more on the progressive side of the council you have it backwards - changed it back with more clarity. The progressive/modern approach is that of the Merlin and his flunkies... If the Merlin had been more conservative Dresden and him would get along a lot better :)
We need to create, at the very least stubs, articles for the books and appriopriate edits to the disambuigation pages.-- Thanks, Yossi842 00:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
On the listing of Audiobooks, #4 is listed as Fool Moon. It should be Summer Knight. Not sure if the ISBN number is correct. I'd change it myself, but I'm not sure how. The WikiForce is not strong in me (yet) NotThatKat 22:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the 5th book was recently released as audio book. Perhaps someone could confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.94.156.128 ( talk) 07:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it worth listing the UK paperback editions separately? They have different ISBN numbers (my copy of Dead Beat is 978-1-84149-528-6), different cover art, and the latest book, White Night, is out in paperback here.
Edit: No it isn't; It was Proven Guilty I found. 145.8.171.98 13:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
There is a paragraph that has been added twice to the section on the KotC. Personally, I believed it to be speculative, and outside of the bounds of the article, but it was added again. Here is the text of it:
From my reading of the books, nothing about this is in there, and as such, such speculation is not appropriate for this article. Please add your imput. -- Donovan Ravenhull 07:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted the section on the street wolves since I felt it was lacking any useful content. Furthermore this section only pertains to a very minor group of characters in the novel that don't deserve treatment in their own section. Mrobfire 22:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't recall mention of this; source book? Abb3w 18:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
There is also one more angel that is bound within a burned gold Roman denarius.
What are "Omnibus editions" - how about explaning that. -- IceHunter 13:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking of cleaning this up, and the addition of the Wikipedia:Notability tag has pushed me into making an attempt. I like the content here (and loved the novels), so I'm not inclined to kill anything, but the vast majority of the information is clearly in-universe. I'm thinking that the article needs narrative, publishing history, plot summary (of the series - more detailed plots should be on the individual book pages) and should acknowledge the TV series and RPG as well as giving greater precedence to the novels. I would like to see sections such as Organizations spun off into separate pages, but I figure that this is something that should be discussed here first, so I won't be touching them. My biggest lack at the moment is decent articles discussing the series of novels (TV series easy, novels hard) although I'm planning to reference a few of the interviews floating around. Any help would be much appreciated, and let me know if I'm stepping on any toes. Bilby ( talk) 11:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
i have no idea how to edit this but I JUST finished White Night (Dresden Files Book9) and the paperbacks ISBN is 978-0-451-46155-1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuhlenkott ( talk • contribs) 08:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if any body's still reading this, but I did a bit of work on the article today and wanted to mention it in case anyone else wanted to work on improving it.
I've done a little bit of copy editing and formatted the article to get related sections together. For the sake of organization I placed the plot related elements first (as recommended by the novels wikiproject). Some of this could probably be merged or trimmed but I don't feel confidant enough in the material to do that since I'm only up to book 3 yet. The 7 rules of magic would probably be deemed unencyclopedic fan material but I left it there for the time being. Same goes for the pop culture reference article. The description of the staff glowing on the cover of each book was definitely unencyclopedic so that I did remove it, but if anyone wants to write about the art from a real world point of view -- how the artist came on board, methods and style, ect -- that would be fine.
Next publication information, which at the moment is just a list of different formats of publishing it. I didn't change anything major, but some improvements could be made. The list of books released could be expanded to include a one paragraph summary each, like some TV seasons do. Other media is fine where it is. I did like the section about the comic book adaptation and how the series itself came to be. Any chance we could get more citations in here?
One thing that is missing from this article is critical response. Have there been any reviews from major literary critics? Any sales records? This would be a good place to add "real world information" and citations. Hewinsj ( talk) 04:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Hiya guys. Can anyone give me some source you got to know of the twelfth Dresden Files book ("Changes") from? I was unable to spot this on Jim Butcher's page, as well as google it out. Thanks in advance. - Iyoo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.75.87.2 ( talk) 07:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I remember hearing it in this podcasts at Butcher Block BB016 - Reading Ahead. He says it towards the end. I hope this helps.-- Nikpack ( talk) 20:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I have looked around the various Dresden files pages and can't find the Unseelie accords mentioned. They could be included in various ways, but I think the series of articles could gain in clarity if we created a new page on the rules that governs the supernatural world in the Dresden universe, and merge the existing page on the seven laws of magic into it. This article would include:
(*)Quote from White night, chapter 43: "...twenty on the whole planet. Two dragons, Drakul -the original, not baby Vlad- the Archive, the CEO of Monoc securities, some kind of semi-immortal shapeshifter guru in the Ukraine, people like that. The Accords let them sign on as individuals. They have the same rights and obligations." ( De fideli ( talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 09:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
The division of the Plot part of this article could be improved I think. It doesn't make much sense to have separate pages for groups and organizations. And we need to add a page that explains what the supernatural world involves in the Dresden Universe.
So, I suggest we keep three subsections under the "Plot" headline:
I'd like some feedback and your thoughts before I go ahead with this.( De fideli ( talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 09:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
As a resident of Chicago I can attest that the author's understanding of what Chicago is actually like seems to come exclusively from research due to a number of errors that occur throughout the series (streets that don't actually intersect, descriptions of neighborhoods that are flat-out wrong, etc.). There should probably be a mention of that on the page. And I know, citations needed, I just don't have any copies at hand. -- 67.175.159.243 ( talk) 22:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone thought of a timeline for the Dresden Files? I just read the first sentence from Changes, the 12th book, and it talks about Harry and Susan's daughter, but I don't know how old she could be since he's not consistent with the time between novels. Anyone want to help me make one. Not by year, since he never really gives specific reference to a year, but just by how many years are between books.
By the way, the first sentence can be found on his Twitter page located at http://twitter.com/longshotauthor. It's a few posts down, but he gives the first sentence of the next book, due out sometime in 2010, tentatively April. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BEPhunkMan713 ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Jim Butcher's site (on the email him page) says that there are going to be 23 books in the series "20 'case books,' like those we've seen so far, plus a 3-book apocalyptic trilogy" should that go in the article somewhere? -- Blackstone Dresden ( talk) 15:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
The listing of Side Jobs as the 13th novel in the Dresden Files should be removed. That is an anthology of all the short stories that have taken place throughout the series so far and a couple that take place after Changes. It is not a novel really continuing the story and should be listed in the short stories section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.123.45.33 ( talk) 01:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
On Amazon it says that the 13th book will be released on April 5th, and it says it will be released in April on Jim Bitcher's website: This needs to be changed from what it currently says(March something or other.) I tried to figure out how to change it, but it won't come up when I press the edit button!
Good work. A well written summary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.166.15.114 ( talk) 16:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Book 14 of the Dresden Files will be entitled "Winter Knight"--source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0K3XM-Ghc (after 2:30). Someone might want to add this to the article, I'm not very wiki-savvy.
In the bibliography, the hardcover ISBN for the 12th book in the series, Changes, is invalid and yields no search results. The correct one is:
0-4514-6317-X
as you can see on the
Amazon page for it. I tried to figure out how to change it, but accessing the page that it's on is too complicated for me. --
Flib (
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14:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm planning on taking on a long-term slow-motion project of cleaning up / reducing the plot summaries on the novel articles. I've been working on Cold Days over the last couple weeks and plan to move elsewhere in the series afterwards. If anyone would like to assist / collaborate, let me know! -- ElHef ( talk) 14:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
The table says the date is the 3rd of december, 2013. However, I can find no confirmation of this fact anywhere, nor is there a citation in the table or at the bottom. http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/skin-game-15 is a page from the author's website, and it too has no information on a date. Is it bogus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulcd2000 ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
December 3 is the date of the anthology Dangerous Women that includes a Molly short story. That being the case, Amazon etc are doing the normal practice of making up dates and just grabbed this one from the anthology. Until we get confirmation I say it's incorrect. Xeddicus ( talk) 04:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Amazon is not Jim Butcher or his publisher. That page proves nothing. Amazon makes up release dates all the time for everything since it's required to sell pre-orders. Xeddicus ( talk) 06:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty well-known that Amazon puts whatever they think for release dates. Amazon's release date is not an authoritative source. Until Butcher's own site or his publisher provide a release date, everything else is speculation. December 3 could still be correct, but no one (least of all a random Amazon.com drone) knows for sure - or if they do, they're not saying. Ilaeria ( talk) 07:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Amazon just pushed the date on Skin Game back to July 3rd sometime today, even though the publisher still shows May 27th. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 22:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
This shows up when editing as "{ {The Dresden Files bibliography} }" no spaces between the brackets.
I expected to find a wikitable. I'm not sure the above is a reference to somewhere else, just a title, or ???
Anyway, how do I find the table of books? I want to add a column for Audio Publisher, and remove a lot of verbage following the table that just lists dates and companies and contains dated references.
Thanks HiTechHiTouch ( talk) 13:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
diff looks like OR to me. RJFJR ( talk) 18:06, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
What, the Denarians appearing on multiples of five? Did you check your math on that one? I'm sure that's not right. That would indicate a pattern and some kind of plan, and everyone knows I'm making this stuff up as I go. I just said so, right up there.
See you in AZ!
Does anyone else feel the Plot section is not very focused on much of anything (particularly the plot), and is maybe just a little too long? The second paragraph, in particular, seems to be somewhat out-of-place and unnecessary. I might write up a quick suggested alternative and throw it up here, but does anyone have any thoughts? AtomsOrSystems ( talk) 17:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
How about this? Links, I think, should point to the Dresdenverse variety of the creatures; at least a point can be made to do so. The rest might just be a liking for another variety of english. MinorStoop ( talk) 21:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
We'll wait for him, then. MinorStoop ( talk) 19:17, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Just as an addendum: I, too would prefer a series of subsections, but that would require significant expansion to do it right. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 22:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
@ IronGargoyle:
I'm not sure that this is the place nor the way to mention the Black and Gray Council. First, this is the most general Dresden Files page, only an introductory overview is needed. Second, the Councils were important in Turn Coat, and things have moved on since that book; since Cold Days Harry Dresden is clearly to assume an important role against the Outsiders.
If the Overview section is to be modified I'd like to reach some sort of conclusion about what to include - the Councils are very small a part of it.
MinorStoop ( talk) 16:15, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
I've got to admit, I'm slightly bemused as to why we cannot add information about Peace Talks based on the announcement on Jim-Butcher.com, as per the comment in the Bibliography section:
when speculation about the titles based of the final three books based on a 'hints' from Jim at a signing is allowed where there are no sources listed. If it is preferred that it is not appended to the table until we have full information, would anyone have a problem with a statement being tacked to the end of the section to the effect of:
with http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/peace-talks-16 cited as the source?
Cheers,
UselessInfoMine ( talk) 13:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello. The page states "The series' first six novels were originally only published as paperbacks, but in 2007, ROC changed its strategy and began to publish hardcover reprints of books one to six."
Below that, the Bibliography section lists Book 1 as having a hardcover release date in November 6 2000. Looking on amazon https://www.amazon.com/Storm-Front-Dresden-Files-Book/dp/0451461975/ The hardcover has a release date of November 6 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.9.75.196 ( talk) 14:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
There was a page called "Dresden Files characters", with dozens of characters, and it's simply gone.
Instead, on the main Dresden Files page, there's a section called Characters that has Harry, Bob, and Karrin... and no one else.
What happened?
If you're on the page for a given book, it shows "Introduced Characters" and then a link to "Dresden Files Characters"... which now brings you back here. Magnabonzo ( talk) 00:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)