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Logo needed for header 74.71.4.108 ( talk) 18:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
The Knesset chart on Wikipedia is dominated by blue-colored parties, making it one of the more challenging parliament diagrams to read on the site. While it's common for Israeli parties to incorporate their national flag color into their branding, many of them also use another one as their co-official branding color.
I believe in these cases it makes sense to use that distinctive branding color for clarity's sake. I believe it’s a worthy trade-off if we use red as the main color (in charts, etc.) to represent the new Labor-Meretz alliance/party. 沁水湾 ( talk) 19:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Given that Labor was described as centre left to left wing and Meretz as left wing - and given that Yesh Atid is described as centre and National Unity as centre to centre-right, I think it makes sense to place the Democrats as Centre-left to left, particularly given their stated orientation as "the broad home for the liberal democratic public". There is no other "centre left" party in Israel so by default the Democrats fill that niche. Wellington Bay ( talk) 19:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? Wouldn't you just redirect to the original articles for Meretz and Labor? It feels kind of weird since this isn't even a uniquely interesting topic. Totalstgamer ( talk) 21:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The chart and table might be useful in List of political parties in Israel or Politics of Israel - though if so there should also be a family tree for right wing parties - but it doesn't belong here. Wellington Bay ( talk) 14:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Mapam was a left Labour Zionist party and a descendent of Left Poale Zion which was an offshoot of Poale Zion - the original party of the Labour Zionist movement, Ratz split from the Labour Alignment and was founded by former Labor MK Shulamit Aloni. Shinui had liberal antecedents but it was the smallest component of Meretz and much of Shinui left Meretz and reestablished itself as a separate party. Meretz considered itself social democratic. Wellington Bay ( talk) 20:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
As for Maki, if you look at its origins the original Communist Party of Palestine it split from Poale Zion so it is part of the Labour Zionist family tree- though it would help if that were made clearer in the chart. Also, the longtime leader of Maki, Meir Vilner crossed the floor from Mapam in the 50s and was part of a faction that split from Mapam to join Maki. Wellington Bay ( talk) 20:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
To be clear, "liberal democracy" is not a party ideology, "liberalism", "social liberalism", "social democracy", "democratic socialism", etc. are. Also, "progressivism" and "third way" are generic descriptions. Finally, "two-state solution" is a policy, not an ideology. The Democrats would be the merger of the social-democratic and centre-left Labour Party and the democratic-socialist and left-wing Meretz". Why should it be so difficult to describe the would-be party as social-democratic (ideology) and "centre-left" (position) in the infobox? -- Checco ( talk) 17:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the four Labor MKs haven't yet redesignated as Democrats? Is it just a matter of Knesset bureaucracy or is there a political issue? Wellington Bay ( talk) 15:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
FWIW, the Haaretz article [2] states
"Israel's left-wing parties Labor and Meretz announced they have merged and will now be known as The Democrats." I wasn't misreading the headline. David O. Johnson ( talk) 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
When two centre-left parties merge, the result is a centre-left party. When two social-democratic parties merge, the result is a social-democratic party. I really do not understand why we should not classify this party simply with "social democracy" as ideology and "centre-left" as position. -- Checco ( talk) 20:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Logo needed for header 74.71.4.108 ( talk) 18:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
The Knesset chart on Wikipedia is dominated by blue-colored parties, making it one of the more challenging parliament diagrams to read on the site. While it's common for Israeli parties to incorporate their national flag color into their branding, many of them also use another one as their co-official branding color.
I believe in these cases it makes sense to use that distinctive branding color for clarity's sake. I believe it’s a worthy trade-off if we use red as the main color (in charts, etc.) to represent the new Labor-Meretz alliance/party. 沁水湾 ( talk) 19:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Given that Labor was described as centre left to left wing and Meretz as left wing - and given that Yesh Atid is described as centre and National Unity as centre to centre-right, I think it makes sense to place the Democrats as Centre-left to left, particularly given their stated orientation as "the broad home for the liberal democratic public". There is no other "centre left" party in Israel so by default the Democrats fill that niche. Wellington Bay ( talk) 19:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? Wouldn't you just redirect to the original articles for Meretz and Labor? It feels kind of weird since this isn't even a uniquely interesting topic. Totalstgamer ( talk) 21:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The chart and table might be useful in List of political parties in Israel or Politics of Israel - though if so there should also be a family tree for right wing parties - but it doesn't belong here. Wellington Bay ( talk) 14:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Mapam was a left Labour Zionist party and a descendent of Left Poale Zion which was an offshoot of Poale Zion - the original party of the Labour Zionist movement, Ratz split from the Labour Alignment and was founded by former Labor MK Shulamit Aloni. Shinui had liberal antecedents but it was the smallest component of Meretz and much of Shinui left Meretz and reestablished itself as a separate party. Meretz considered itself social democratic. Wellington Bay ( talk) 20:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
As for Maki, if you look at its origins the original Communist Party of Palestine it split from Poale Zion so it is part of the Labour Zionist family tree- though it would help if that were made clearer in the chart. Also, the longtime leader of Maki, Meir Vilner crossed the floor from Mapam in the 50s and was part of a faction that split from Mapam to join Maki. Wellington Bay ( talk) 20:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
To be clear, "liberal democracy" is not a party ideology, "liberalism", "social liberalism", "social democracy", "democratic socialism", etc. are. Also, "progressivism" and "third way" are generic descriptions. Finally, "two-state solution" is a policy, not an ideology. The Democrats would be the merger of the social-democratic and centre-left Labour Party and the democratic-socialist and left-wing Meretz". Why should it be so difficult to describe the would-be party as social-democratic (ideology) and "centre-left" (position) in the infobox? -- Checco ( talk) 17:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the four Labor MKs haven't yet redesignated as Democrats? Is it just a matter of Knesset bureaucracy or is there a political issue? Wellington Bay ( talk) 15:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
FWIW, the Haaretz article [2] states
"Israel's left-wing parties Labor and Meretz announced they have merged and will now be known as The Democrats." I wasn't misreading the headline. David O. Johnson ( talk) 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
When two centre-left parties merge, the result is a centre-left party. When two social-democratic parties merge, the result is a social-democratic party. I really do not understand why we should not classify this party simply with "social democracy" as ideology and "centre-left" as position. -- Checco ( talk) 20:33, 28 July 2024 (UTC)