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Okay it's been a while since anyones talked about it in full detail by why isn't Whysoserious.com considered an offical source since it clearly a Viral by WB and even has Audio and pictures that only WB could get. Such as the new picture and the Audio of Heath ledger saying the line "and Tonight your going to brake your one rule" in the Joker voice he used in the teaser clearly showing that it could only be WB sources that made Whysoserious (or at least has control over it now) and should be taking as an offical source along side "I believe in Harvey dent". But on the subject that should make Rory's Death kiss also part of the Viral campainge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.225.161 ( talk) 23:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I've added a comparison image for the viral website and The Long Halloween. Let me know if you think this is appropriate or not. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I had already said that it was necessary to use that pic of the pumpkin to show the clear influence of the dark halloween in TDK. I´m happy you´ve taken the decision to include that comparison in the article Franshu 04:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/movies/moviesspecial/04lyal.html?_r=3&ref=arts&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin It's a NY Times article with Heath Ledger, and there's a bit about his role and how it's been for him acting. It talks about a Joker diary he's been having. It's kind of interesting. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins_2_the_dark_knight/news/1677671/ It's kind of old. Not sure if it should be put in. That's why I'm putting it here. I also added a bit about the filming in Hong Kong. It's a bit wordy, so I wouldn't mind anyone cleaning it up-- Lordkelvin 03:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
A question for everyone. As we can tell, Batman and the Joker obviously have a lot more real-world context going for them than the other characters. (ThuranX, would it be cool if I moved the New York Times info to the Joker entry? It's character-specific, after all.) At some point, should we consider having prose paragraphs for Batman and the Joker under the Cast section? The real-world context surrounding them are getting pretty big for bulleted entries. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 04:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There are a bunch of articles floating around in the air which have major spoilers, and are most likely true. The problem is that they are not from big named sites like NY Times, since most of them come from exclusive interviews the magazine or news company has acquired. Still, the validity of these articles are most likely true. Isn't it at all possible to have a "Rumors and Speculations" section. I see that these sections appear in other wikipedia articles. I assume this is also the reason why the wizard world convention cannot be mentioned in the article.-- Lordkelvin 05:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
[1] I don't know whether to include this, because on the one hand, for many people, Jack is the Joker, but on the other hand, he didn't create the character. It was just so funny to see him think this is a sequel, but if he's joking... Alientraveller 18:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This article reads like a press release (which I think most of it is) and needs to be brought to a proper tone. Please consider what is notable for an encyclopedia. WP isn't the place for industry gossip or viral marketing. Ashmoo 02:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Ashmoo, try to consider the role of the Joker as a character. Are there really that many other films in which actors may desire to play a specific role? Considering the number of names that expressed interest, the portrayal of the Joker had garnered some interest. In addition, information about the new cowl reflects the streamlining process of design in the production process -- —basically , improving on preexisting designs. There is not really any highly authoritative sources for recent films, so we consolidate the information available from headlines. Considering that a source like USA Today covered the Batcycle, such background information is presented in mainstream media. The article will continue expanding, and we will notice how critics and the public have received the film and particularly the Joker. I can understand your perspective about the imbalance of so much background information, but believe me, we've done our best to make such content verifiable. There's a lot of rumors floating around about different aspects of production, and we've done our best to combat that. We also plan to expand the article with information about the film's reception and impact, which I imagine to you would be more encyclopedic. However, it is just not possible at this point. If you have any other comments about other aspects of the article's content, feel free to share. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 16:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a new interview (today) with Heath Ledger, about Joker. It's from LatinoReviews, which is not a reputable source. But there is an video interview attached. I would say that since it has an interview attached, it's most likely...real, and not a fake interview. I'm not sure whether to put it in or not. But it has some good Ledger quotes and info. http://latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-heath-ledger-on-playing-the-joker-3297 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordkelvin ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/12/arts/AS-A-E-MOV-Hong-Kong-Batman.php
It's from the International Herald Tribune and AP (part of the NYT), and contains a lot of good information about their filming. If it seems important then, someone could add it in to the article.-- Lordkelvin 16:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this counts as "verifiable," but its from IMAX.com, pretty recognizable company. It has a few good tidbits about the IMAX shooting. http://www.imax.com/ImaxWeb/xtras/?dl=beo/screeningroom/btn1/dk/dk_prologue-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 04:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
There's quite a few viral websites listed in External links... any ideas on how to reduce the page length -- perhaps a table of some sort to contain all these links? This is certainly a new phenomenon to be addressed by WikiProject Films... what if there's just too many official sites!?!!! Sorry, a lil' Joker in me itching to get out... — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 05:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Jeez! We really need to get some background information about these websites... that is some serious viral marketing going on. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The list is really getting out of hand. Is there not an external link somewhere else that compiles all these viral websites? The External links section is turning into an unnecessary link farm. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 18:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a shout-out to anyone that the latest issue with SFX magazine features an interview with Heath Ledger, who discusses the make-up for the character. I could check it myself to get down notes on page no.s, author etc, but just a note to everyone. It might not be worth it as it's so brief, but we got our first scrap of info. I read it on Batman on Film, but citing that page would be a copyright violation. Alientraveller ( talk) 18:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/ The whole picture will be released tomorrow, though it has been leaked today. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8189/shffrpz12931291hb2.jpg -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 20:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The main article says that a seven minute preview of the Dark Knight will be shown in IMAX presentations of the film 'I Am Legend'. Not long after it says, a five minute preview of the beginning of the Dark Knight will be shown at the start of 'I Am Legend'. So yeah, I'm not sure which is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.200.151 ( talk) 03:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Since the Batcycle has been replaced with an image of the Joker for the time being, I'll put a link to it here so it can be restored when there's enough critical commentary all around. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 21:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Many sites have reported back after seeing early screenings of TDK. There are a lot of spoilers, though. However, some important things to note is that the clip is in fact 6 minutes, not 7 or 5, and is definitely a clip from the movie. Nolan also introduces the clip in the beginning. The MTV article also states how Nolan is aiming for a 140 minute film.
http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/poster.htm -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 23:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
FYI, see the last paragraph in this article: Boucher, Geoff. " Dark Knight sneak lights up IMAX screen", Los Angeles Times, 7 December 2007. Cheers, Melty girl ( talk) 04:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)"Cillian Murphy, who played the villain Scarecrow in "Batman Begins," is also in the cast credits, but Nolan only smirked when asked if that suggested that Batman would have three villains to deal with this time around. "He is in the film briefly, yes, but I don't want to give away all of our surprises."
I have added a paragraph describing the cake/cell phone promotion that was used by the production company to invite members of the press to the film's premiere and it has been deleted twice. The link used to source the promotion leads to a video clip posted by extremely well known gossip columnist Perez Hilton as he unveils the cake itself and shows the viewer how the promotion worked. The last person who deleted this content apparently had no idea who Perez Hilton is; try google. TheGoonSquad ( talk) 18:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/thedarkknight/posterexclusivoomelete.jpg I'll try to get a more verifiable source. It might take a day. But I'm 99.9% sure it is real, as of now.-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 01:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's a better source: http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=6603 Franshu ( talk) 05:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I heard from a friend that a new trailer for "The Dark Knight" would be shown at the beginning of the new "I Am Legend" movie...and yes there was a nice long 3 minute or so trailer...
I checked youtube and apple trailers and wasn't able to find it...it is a very exciting trailer... if anyone finds a link, post it up.
I also heard, in conjunction to the new trailer theory, that IMAX was going to show 5 minutes of the beginning of The Dark Knight, and 2 minutes in the middle of the movie...all this before the movie I Am Legend starts...in IMAX.
So if you were to go watch I am Legend in IMAX, you'd get to see 7 minutes of the new batman movie...
Anyone see I am Legend in IMAX last night? -- Huper Phuff talk 18:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
It's already in the article. So if one goes to see I Am Legend in IMAX, they'll see this film's first six minutes. Alientraveller ( talk) 18:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to initiate discussion here to ensure that we don't keep changing the poster repeatedly. Now, IMP Awards shows three Joker-related posters, while the current poster image is another poster not involving the Joker. Unfortunately, with poster images, the input can be rather subjective. I've generally had the stance of choosing an English-language poster that shows as much detail of the film as possible (as opposed to a mere logo). Obviously, that approach can't be taken with the current batch. However, I would want to stick with the current poster with Batman overlooking Gotham City as I feel that we've addressed the appearance of the Joker sufficiently (and directly) in the body of the article. Any thoughts on sticking with this so we can avoid a cycle of poster changes via consensus? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't really want to be a pain, but I'd like to have the Joker poster with the "Why so serious?" smile graffiti in the infobox. That way, we can bring back the Batpod into the article and maybe have something relate to Dent in the Marketing section? Just a thought to make everything less Joker-centric. Alientraveller ( talk) 20:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I think we can cite stuff from the trailer now. Maybe we could have before, I dunno. http://www.atasteforthetheatrical.com/deathtrap/default.htm -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 01:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
It now links to the trailer, is that important to note?-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 22:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Where did this source come from. I mean, the caption for the Joker picture, "The Joker's make-up is meant to resemble a skin disease because he does not remove or reapply it." I will remove it if thats okay with everyone.-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 03:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
It's back again...the caption of the joker under filming says: "The Joker's make-up reflects the grungy nature of his character, resembling an infection as he continues to not reapply it" -- Huper Phuff talk 16:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
You guys aren't getting it. It's not that he has skin disease, it's just that the look of his makeup is like skin disease. This is the original wording of the Empire article, which probably started this whole thing.
"What the director has done," says Caine, "which is so clever, is that the Joker has left the make-up and just let it rot off. It is never renewed. He's got a big, wide mouth and it gradually almost looks like bad skin disease."
IMO, we should change the wording slightly so that people don't get confused. 201.230.155.36 ( talk) 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The Joker's make-up reflects the grungy nature of his character. The style in which his make-up is applied resembles an infection as the "Joker has left the make-up and just let it rot off".
Feel free to edit it, but I think that makes the idea more clear. -- Huper Phuff talk 18:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Mark Hamill gives his approval too. Alientraveller ( talk) 21:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
look here http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=215864911 now i know it is myspace and i know there is much possiblity that it could not be concept for @ Face but the right side in my opinion does look like arron eckart. I can't find any source from where this picture came from. Could someone help me out here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.44.82.245 ( talk) 01:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
oh well thats a damn good piece of fan art work, but seriously i thought it was acuatl concepts for the movie. thanks!
That's Bruce Timm's version of Two Face from Batman The Animated series, not fan art. 26 February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.199.180 ( talk) 04:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a lot of back-and-forth editing over whether the Joker is just a nutcase in make-up. Here's the original quote:
“ | IGN: And what about the decision to have Joker wear make-up rather than be altered by chemicals. Was it just easier from a storytelling perspective to have him wear make-up than to explain how chemicals changed him? Nolan: Well, we never wanted to do an origin story for the Joker in this film. The arc of the story is much more Harvey Dent's; the Joker is presented as an absolute. It's a very thrilling element in the film, and a very important element, but we wanted to deal with the rise of the Joker not the origin of the Joker, if that makes sense. |
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Nolan completely dodged the question, brilliantly I might add. So it's better to just leave in the understanding of how Nolan wishes to focus on Dent's arc and not make this "Joker Begins". Either the character's origin is left completely ambigious, or there'll be major revelation in the picture itself of him actually having vitiligo or something, it's best we just understand Nolan's story intentions until the film comes out. Alientraveller ( talk) 17:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Is the information on who could have played The Joker relevant anymore? That section looks so cluttered with sources and with names that it doesn't read nearly as easily as it could. -- CmdrClow ( talk) 14:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
It's about Joker and Dent. Sorry if it's been posted. It came out today anyway. It has some interesting things like, the movie is predominately about Dent, etc.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-ca-dark13jan13,1,6582601.story?coll=la-entnews-movies&ctrack=1&cset=true -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 03:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
It says "log in" Franshu ( talk) 16:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Here's two sources for anyone that wants to add in information about filming over here (in my home county - WOO!):
-- Harish - 19:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the interview with Heath Ledger on IESB.net, when asked what specific comics inspired his interpretation of the Joker, he mentioned The Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum, and "[trying] to read the comics and put it down." Given the context of the question, I interpreted this to mean 'putting it down' in his performance, that is, having the Joker's depiction in these comics adapted to film to some extent. However, the wikipedia page for The Dark Knight currently cites the aforementioned interview as meaning that Ledger attempted to utilize these comics in his interpretation, but ultimately decided against it due to an indifference toward the medium of comic books in general, and 'put them down' in the sense of deciding against reading them. Where Ledger has stated that he 'hates comic book movies' in a prior interview [ [2]], which may have been taken out of context regardless, should this be taken to mean that the actor did or did not utilize these writings in his performance. Where I admit that this may be a fairly trivial point, it would seem somewhat misinformative to cite an interview out of context. 24.24.90.148 ( talk) 22:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Has there been any news anywhere on how the death of Heath Ledger will or will not affect this film? BassBone ( talk) 22:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
(Combined simultaneous topics) Ledger was in the middle of filming for The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, so it's not determinable at this point which film he was able to complete. So right now, there's no verifiability about the bearing his death may have on this film. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
According to IMDB the film is in post-production, so it may very entirely be a non-issue . -- uana·uerba·sunt ( talk) 22:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
All the details about his death should not be mentioned, especially not speculatively tied to sleep deprivation from Ledger's role preparation. This claim is completely unsubstantiated. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 23:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
According to an interview with ledger he had already finished filming his parts, interview can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKa-aDga1fE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonshinkins ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
A thought to all: It may be worth noting down the road, with a reliable source, that this is Heath Ledger's last completed film (depending on how much he got done with the other one) or that this is Heath Ledger's latest major role, depending on the degree of his role in the new film. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 23:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
i was thinking wed put a triva section up containing the factoid
"This will be HEath Ledger's Last film..." and moention his death (normally id do it myself but you poretected the article) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.220.188 ( talk) 00:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
For wikipedia's sake. Let's just never acknowlege it so we can keep our precious article intact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.164.167 ( talk) 22:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Some headlines I've found so far regarding his death's impact. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it's fairly obvious that the film will be dedicated to the memory of Heath, so you'll be re-editing this page for a long time if disagreements continue. It's best to just refer to him as 'the late Heath Ledger' a few times, and leave in the mention of his death, as a mark of respect, if nothing else. Then again, this place seems to be run by suits, who seem to be totally void of emotion... (EDIT: common sense too) - Mittens2317 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mittens2317 ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I've attempted to add a Release section addressing Ledger's death, partially because we have some independent suggestions available and partially to appease the constant editing this article will undergo. Thoughts on my addition? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion, this is what must be done: Nothing for the moment, not until someone related to this film makes a public talk about Ledger (what, I´m sure, will happen pretty soon). Then we can quote him/her and add it to the article. That´s my opinion, though. Franshu ( talk) 02:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
For some reason, Euges116 thinks that the paragraph in the Release section are "unsubstantiated statements", despite my direct quotations of the headlines at the beginning of the Break section. Can someone review this situation and see if there really is an issue with the paragraph? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 05:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
He admitted to stress stemming from before he died. If we mention his stress while filming making this film in isolation it implies that this film was responsible for his death. Either we leave his sleeplessness out or put in the context of his general stress levels.
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I attempted to make this edit earlier, but it was undone. I suspect the user who reversed my edit was just doing their job, and trying to protect the article from being more about Ledger’s death than the film. I assure you, my minor edit was not a careless one, and I feel that the introduction would benefit from it. Here are my justifications:
1) Not mentioning it in the intro makes the article seem out of date 2) It acknowledges his death (solving the above issue), without requiring any elaboration. 3) While it is true that “the late” is not added to the names of all deceased actors, this case is unusually since the film will be released after the actor’s death. These two words make this clear, again without requiring further explanation. Xargon666x6 ( talk) 12:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"It is also the last film by Mako Iwamatsu."
"TMNT was Mako Iwamatsu's last film prior to his death. Mako was announced as the voice of Splinter at the San Diego Comic-Con on 20 July 2006. He then passed away the next day. A dedication to Mako appears at the end of the film's credits. This is the second TMNT film to include a dedication, the other being Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze which was dedicated to Jim Henson."
"This was Orson Welles's final film. He was in declining health during production. Shortly before he died, he told his biographer, Barbara Leaming, that he had spent the day "playing a toy" in a movie about toys who "do horrible things to each other." Film historian Joseph McBride quotes Welles saying of his participation: "I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. Then I'm destroyed." Welles' voice was apparently so weak by the time he made his recording that technicians needed to run it through a synthesizer to salvage it. The voicework for Transformers: The Movie was the last movie project he worked on; his voice session was on 5 October 1985, and five days later on 10 October 1985, Welles died of a heart attack."
Yep that ribbon's for Heath if you noticed when that message burns away it's right next to his face this is a sad time for all batman and ledger fans. This is only the second actor who's play joker who's died all the the rest of them are still alive from Jack to Mark they're still around but, heath and Romero the men who's played the character where everybody thing it's spot on for the time are gone
RIP Romero and Heath—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.225.161 ( talk) 00:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
This page is going to get out of hand, I ask for a admin to semi protect or completely protect the page.
I have a feeling that this page is going to get edited too many times when the movie hasn't even come out yet, people are already trying to change things to "The Late" Heath Ledger and things of that nature. Protect this page please. The Cleveland Browns are awesome! ( talk) 15:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I use for example, the Chris Benoit page when he died as a example of how this page can quickly get out of hand. The Cleveland Browns are awesome! ( talk) 15:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC) The Heath page is more likely to get out of hand. The Benoit thing was bigger because #1 its wrestling fans and they tend to vandalise more and #2 he murdered his wife and kids. Changing it form the late to just his name isnt something to protect the page for. LifeStroke420 ( talk) 18:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"Nolan was initially unsure of returning for the sequel, but eventually decided upon creating a new interpretation of the Joker, based on the villain's original appearances in comic book lore." It seems to me that this should either be rephrased to indicate that this is what Nolan THINKS he is doing (with a citation), or removed as original research (or simple falsehood.) The facts of the interpretation in the film that have already been verified by cast and crew are that this Joker is a knife-fetishist with facial scarring, greasy makeup, (poorl) dyed hair, and punk sensibilities. That's hardly the Joker as depicted in his original appearances, who is eerie (as opposed to bats***-crazy), methodical, and does not at any real point DIRECTLY kill anyone (choosing as he does to use hidden gas and the like)- and who is at no point indicated to have any facial attributes other than the color of his skin, lips, and hair. (In fact, the idea that the Joker has anything wrong with his actual mouth at all (the "frozen grin") was only introduced in the first Burton Batman movie- he's often been shown in the comics to have an unusually wide grin but also the usual variety of facial expressions.) 206.218.218.49 ( talk) 14:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The lead is merely a summary of the rest of the article, and therefore does not require citations (as per WP:LEAD), as long as the facts it presents are cited elsewhere. Steve T • C 16:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Nolan was initially unsure of whether he would return, but felt that he did want to reinterpret the Joker on screen. [1] After much research, his brother and co-writer Jonathan Nolan suggested the character's first two appearances be their influence. The director "felt like we've actually come around to something eerily close to those first two stories." [2] Jerry Robinson, one of the Joker's co-creators, was consulted on the character's portrayal. [3]
I'd like to explain the removal of "dilemma of his vigilante crusade". That is the core conflict for Batman, and he deals with that "dilemma" on a continual basis, so there's really nothing new here for Dark Knight. I also rephrased the bit about the Joker, because "escalation ... situation ... personified ... portrayed" was, well, bad. EAE ( Holla!) 03:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This film qualifies as a member of Category:Posthumous works in the same way as Queen of the Damned (film), The Crow (1994 film), and even more so than Bad Santa. Ledger was the second-most important actor in the film, and the timing of his death before the film's release justifies the categorization. EAE ( Holla!) 06:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as several members of the tabloid news media (which is pretty much everyone on the 24/7 news channels) are taking this quote out of context and apparently missing the point (or doing it on purpose) regards to the other one they've latched on to about his sleeping habits. At the very least I think the word "cheerfully" is in much need of inclusion seeing as it was used by the writer of the story to describe Heath Ledger how explained it, I think doing so would do a lot to put the quote in its proper context. In fact I think I'll do it now. PHOENIXZERO ( talk) 11:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Please as a sign of respect to Heath Ledger can you please add that this is his final film, as well as maybe his best work since The the patriot. I hope they put a in memory of Heath Ledger at the start or end of the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.208.61 ( talk) 12:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0242759/ 24.17.73.18 ( talk) 08:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is something more appropriate on the Ledger article. It's a pretty heartfelt letter from Nolan about Ledger, about his experience with him working on the film. http://www.newsweek.com/id/105580 -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 23:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The entire marketing of the film is now up in the air. The studio heads have a big job on their hands. The film has been in the media associated with Ledger. The posters are going to probably be pulled featuring him as the Joker. The official web site for Batman: The Dark Knight, and the Joker web site, both have tributes. The Dark Knight's web site was actually shut off for a full Heath tribute. The voice over completion was also reported on, if Ledger finished post production. All of this should be mentioned. Right there you have the marketing, production, etc.
You don't have to go into rumors, just what is surrounding the film, now that Heath is deceased.
Nolan has issued a full page tribute to Heath that is heartbreaking.
This is all related to the film, and I hope you get that, since sooner or later, it's going to end up on here as we get closer to the release, and the media totally making it about Heath's last film, and interviewing the cast, asking them about it.
You could now get it concise, and get it "over with", before people start coming on, posting paragraph, after paragraph about Ledger. 68.82.82.248 ( talk) 07:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The edit tab is disabled, so non-registered users like me cannot add information to the article but you Batman fans may be interested to learn that the Joker apparently rides a skateboard in the new film, according to Nolan [4]. Cheers. 210.50.60.22 ( talk) 21:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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Okay it's been a while since anyones talked about it in full detail by why isn't Whysoserious.com considered an offical source since it clearly a Viral by WB and even has Audio and pictures that only WB could get. Such as the new picture and the Audio of Heath ledger saying the line "and Tonight your going to brake your one rule" in the Joker voice he used in the teaser clearly showing that it could only be WB sources that made Whysoserious (or at least has control over it now) and should be taking as an offical source along side "I believe in Harvey dent". But on the subject that should make Rory's Death kiss also part of the Viral campainge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.225.161 ( talk) 23:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I've added a comparison image for the viral website and The Long Halloween. Let me know if you think this is appropriate or not. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I had already said that it was necessary to use that pic of the pumpkin to show the clear influence of the dark halloween in TDK. I´m happy you´ve taken the decision to include that comparison in the article Franshu 04:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/movies/moviesspecial/04lyal.html?_r=3&ref=arts&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin It's a NY Times article with Heath Ledger, and there's a bit about his role and how it's been for him acting. It talks about a Joker diary he's been having. It's kind of interesting. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins_2_the_dark_knight/news/1677671/ It's kind of old. Not sure if it should be put in. That's why I'm putting it here. I also added a bit about the filming in Hong Kong. It's a bit wordy, so I wouldn't mind anyone cleaning it up-- Lordkelvin 03:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
A question for everyone. As we can tell, Batman and the Joker obviously have a lot more real-world context going for them than the other characters. (ThuranX, would it be cool if I moved the New York Times info to the Joker entry? It's character-specific, after all.) At some point, should we consider having prose paragraphs for Batman and the Joker under the Cast section? The real-world context surrounding them are getting pretty big for bulleted entries. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 04:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There are a bunch of articles floating around in the air which have major spoilers, and are most likely true. The problem is that they are not from big named sites like NY Times, since most of them come from exclusive interviews the magazine or news company has acquired. Still, the validity of these articles are most likely true. Isn't it at all possible to have a "Rumors and Speculations" section. I see that these sections appear in other wikipedia articles. I assume this is also the reason why the wizard world convention cannot be mentioned in the article.-- Lordkelvin 05:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
[1] I don't know whether to include this, because on the one hand, for many people, Jack is the Joker, but on the other hand, he didn't create the character. It was just so funny to see him think this is a sequel, but if he's joking... Alientraveller 18:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This article reads like a press release (which I think most of it is) and needs to be brought to a proper tone. Please consider what is notable for an encyclopedia. WP isn't the place for industry gossip or viral marketing. Ashmoo 02:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Ashmoo, try to consider the role of the Joker as a character. Are there really that many other films in which actors may desire to play a specific role? Considering the number of names that expressed interest, the portrayal of the Joker had garnered some interest. In addition, information about the new cowl reflects the streamlining process of design in the production process -- —basically , improving on preexisting designs. There is not really any highly authoritative sources for recent films, so we consolidate the information available from headlines. Considering that a source like USA Today covered the Batcycle, such background information is presented in mainstream media. The article will continue expanding, and we will notice how critics and the public have received the film and particularly the Joker. I can understand your perspective about the imbalance of so much background information, but believe me, we've done our best to make such content verifiable. There's a lot of rumors floating around about different aspects of production, and we've done our best to combat that. We also plan to expand the article with information about the film's reception and impact, which I imagine to you would be more encyclopedic. However, it is just not possible at this point. If you have any other comments about other aspects of the article's content, feel free to share. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 16:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a new interview (today) with Heath Ledger, about Joker. It's from LatinoReviews, which is not a reputable source. But there is an video interview attached. I would say that since it has an interview attached, it's most likely...real, and not a fake interview. I'm not sure whether to put it in or not. But it has some good Ledger quotes and info. http://latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-heath-ledger-on-playing-the-joker-3297 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordkelvin ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/12/arts/AS-A-E-MOV-Hong-Kong-Batman.php
It's from the International Herald Tribune and AP (part of the NYT), and contains a lot of good information about their filming. If it seems important then, someone could add it in to the article.-- Lordkelvin 16:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this counts as "verifiable," but its from IMAX.com, pretty recognizable company. It has a few good tidbits about the IMAX shooting. http://www.imax.com/ImaxWeb/xtras/?dl=beo/screeningroom/btn1/dk/dk_prologue-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 04:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
There's quite a few viral websites listed in External links... any ideas on how to reduce the page length -- perhaps a table of some sort to contain all these links? This is certainly a new phenomenon to be addressed by WikiProject Films... what if there's just too many official sites!?!!! Sorry, a lil' Joker in me itching to get out... — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 05:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Jeez! We really need to get some background information about these websites... that is some serious viral marketing going on. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The list is really getting out of hand. Is there not an external link somewhere else that compiles all these viral websites? The External links section is turning into an unnecessary link farm. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 18:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a shout-out to anyone that the latest issue with SFX magazine features an interview with Heath Ledger, who discusses the make-up for the character. I could check it myself to get down notes on page no.s, author etc, but just a note to everyone. It might not be worth it as it's so brief, but we got our first scrap of info. I read it on Batman on Film, but citing that page would be a copyright violation. Alientraveller ( talk) 18:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/ The whole picture will be released tomorrow, though it has been leaked today. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8189/shffrpz12931291hb2.jpg -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 20:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The main article says that a seven minute preview of the Dark Knight will be shown in IMAX presentations of the film 'I Am Legend'. Not long after it says, a five minute preview of the beginning of the Dark Knight will be shown at the start of 'I Am Legend'. So yeah, I'm not sure which is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.200.151 ( talk) 03:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Since the Batcycle has been replaced with an image of the Joker for the time being, I'll put a link to it here so it can be restored when there's enough critical commentary all around. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 21:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Many sites have reported back after seeing early screenings of TDK. There are a lot of spoilers, though. However, some important things to note is that the clip is in fact 6 minutes, not 7 or 5, and is definitely a clip from the movie. Nolan also introduces the clip in the beginning. The MTV article also states how Nolan is aiming for a 140 minute film.
http://whysoserious.com/steprightup/poster.htm -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 23:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
FYI, see the last paragraph in this article: Boucher, Geoff. " Dark Knight sneak lights up IMAX screen", Los Angeles Times, 7 December 2007. Cheers, Melty girl ( talk) 04:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)"Cillian Murphy, who played the villain Scarecrow in "Batman Begins," is also in the cast credits, but Nolan only smirked when asked if that suggested that Batman would have three villains to deal with this time around. "He is in the film briefly, yes, but I don't want to give away all of our surprises."
I have added a paragraph describing the cake/cell phone promotion that was used by the production company to invite members of the press to the film's premiere and it has been deleted twice. The link used to source the promotion leads to a video clip posted by extremely well known gossip columnist Perez Hilton as he unveils the cake itself and shows the viewer how the promotion worked. The last person who deleted this content apparently had no idea who Perez Hilton is; try google. TheGoonSquad ( talk) 18:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/thedarkknight/posterexclusivoomelete.jpg I'll try to get a more verifiable source. It might take a day. But I'm 99.9% sure it is real, as of now.-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 01:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's a better source: http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=6603 Franshu ( talk) 05:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I heard from a friend that a new trailer for "The Dark Knight" would be shown at the beginning of the new "I Am Legend" movie...and yes there was a nice long 3 minute or so trailer...
I checked youtube and apple trailers and wasn't able to find it...it is a very exciting trailer... if anyone finds a link, post it up.
I also heard, in conjunction to the new trailer theory, that IMAX was going to show 5 minutes of the beginning of The Dark Knight, and 2 minutes in the middle of the movie...all this before the movie I Am Legend starts...in IMAX.
So if you were to go watch I am Legend in IMAX, you'd get to see 7 minutes of the new batman movie...
Anyone see I am Legend in IMAX last night? -- Huper Phuff talk 18:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
It's already in the article. So if one goes to see I Am Legend in IMAX, they'll see this film's first six minutes. Alientraveller ( talk) 18:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to initiate discussion here to ensure that we don't keep changing the poster repeatedly. Now, IMP Awards shows three Joker-related posters, while the current poster image is another poster not involving the Joker. Unfortunately, with poster images, the input can be rather subjective. I've generally had the stance of choosing an English-language poster that shows as much detail of the film as possible (as opposed to a mere logo). Obviously, that approach can't be taken with the current batch. However, I would want to stick with the current poster with Batman overlooking Gotham City as I feel that we've addressed the appearance of the Joker sufficiently (and directly) in the body of the article. Any thoughts on sticking with this so we can avoid a cycle of poster changes via consensus? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't really want to be a pain, but I'd like to have the Joker poster with the "Why so serious?" smile graffiti in the infobox. That way, we can bring back the Batpod into the article and maybe have something relate to Dent in the Marketing section? Just a thought to make everything less Joker-centric. Alientraveller ( talk) 20:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I think we can cite stuff from the trailer now. Maybe we could have before, I dunno. http://www.atasteforthetheatrical.com/deathtrap/default.htm -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 01:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
It now links to the trailer, is that important to note?-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 22:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Where did this source come from. I mean, the caption for the Joker picture, "The Joker's make-up is meant to resemble a skin disease because he does not remove or reapply it." I will remove it if thats okay with everyone.-- Lordkelvin ( talk) 03:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
It's back again...the caption of the joker under filming says: "The Joker's make-up reflects the grungy nature of his character, resembling an infection as he continues to not reapply it" -- Huper Phuff talk 16:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
You guys aren't getting it. It's not that he has skin disease, it's just that the look of his makeup is like skin disease. This is the original wording of the Empire article, which probably started this whole thing.
"What the director has done," says Caine, "which is so clever, is that the Joker has left the make-up and just let it rot off. It is never renewed. He's got a big, wide mouth and it gradually almost looks like bad skin disease."
IMO, we should change the wording slightly so that people don't get confused. 201.230.155.36 ( talk) 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The Joker's make-up reflects the grungy nature of his character. The style in which his make-up is applied resembles an infection as the "Joker has left the make-up and just let it rot off".
Feel free to edit it, but I think that makes the idea more clear. -- Huper Phuff talk 18:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Mark Hamill gives his approval too. Alientraveller ( talk) 21:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
look here http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=215864911 now i know it is myspace and i know there is much possiblity that it could not be concept for @ Face but the right side in my opinion does look like arron eckart. I can't find any source from where this picture came from. Could someone help me out here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.44.82.245 ( talk) 01:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
oh well thats a damn good piece of fan art work, but seriously i thought it was acuatl concepts for the movie. thanks!
That's Bruce Timm's version of Two Face from Batman The Animated series, not fan art. 26 February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.199.180 ( talk) 04:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a lot of back-and-forth editing over whether the Joker is just a nutcase in make-up. Here's the original quote:
“ | IGN: And what about the decision to have Joker wear make-up rather than be altered by chemicals. Was it just easier from a storytelling perspective to have him wear make-up than to explain how chemicals changed him? Nolan: Well, we never wanted to do an origin story for the Joker in this film. The arc of the story is much more Harvey Dent's; the Joker is presented as an absolute. It's a very thrilling element in the film, and a very important element, but we wanted to deal with the rise of the Joker not the origin of the Joker, if that makes sense. |
” |
Nolan completely dodged the question, brilliantly I might add. So it's better to just leave in the understanding of how Nolan wishes to focus on Dent's arc and not make this "Joker Begins". Either the character's origin is left completely ambigious, or there'll be major revelation in the picture itself of him actually having vitiligo or something, it's best we just understand Nolan's story intentions until the film comes out. Alientraveller ( talk) 17:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Is the information on who could have played The Joker relevant anymore? That section looks so cluttered with sources and with names that it doesn't read nearly as easily as it could. -- CmdrClow ( talk) 14:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
It's about Joker and Dent. Sorry if it's been posted. It came out today anyway. It has some interesting things like, the movie is predominately about Dent, etc.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-ca-dark13jan13,1,6582601.story?coll=la-entnews-movies&ctrack=1&cset=true -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 03:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
It says "log in" Franshu ( talk) 16:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Here's two sources for anyone that wants to add in information about filming over here (in my home county - WOO!):
-- Harish - 19:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the interview with Heath Ledger on IESB.net, when asked what specific comics inspired his interpretation of the Joker, he mentioned The Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum, and "[trying] to read the comics and put it down." Given the context of the question, I interpreted this to mean 'putting it down' in his performance, that is, having the Joker's depiction in these comics adapted to film to some extent. However, the wikipedia page for The Dark Knight currently cites the aforementioned interview as meaning that Ledger attempted to utilize these comics in his interpretation, but ultimately decided against it due to an indifference toward the medium of comic books in general, and 'put them down' in the sense of deciding against reading them. Where Ledger has stated that he 'hates comic book movies' in a prior interview [ [2]], which may have been taken out of context regardless, should this be taken to mean that the actor did or did not utilize these writings in his performance. Where I admit that this may be a fairly trivial point, it would seem somewhat misinformative to cite an interview out of context. 24.24.90.148 ( talk) 22:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Has there been any news anywhere on how the death of Heath Ledger will or will not affect this film? BassBone ( talk) 22:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
(Combined simultaneous topics) Ledger was in the middle of filming for The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, so it's not determinable at this point which film he was able to complete. So right now, there's no verifiability about the bearing his death may have on this film. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
According to IMDB the film is in post-production, so it may very entirely be a non-issue . -- uana·uerba·sunt ( talk) 22:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
All the details about his death should not be mentioned, especially not speculatively tied to sleep deprivation from Ledger's role preparation. This claim is completely unsubstantiated. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 23:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
According to an interview with ledger he had already finished filming his parts, interview can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKa-aDga1fE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonshinkins ( talk • contribs) 23:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
A thought to all: It may be worth noting down the road, with a reliable source, that this is Heath Ledger's last completed film (depending on how much he got done with the other one) or that this is Heath Ledger's latest major role, depending on the degree of his role in the new film. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 23:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
i was thinking wed put a triva section up containing the factoid
"This will be HEath Ledger's Last film..." and moention his death (normally id do it myself but you poretected the article) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.220.188 ( talk) 00:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
For wikipedia's sake. Let's just never acknowlege it so we can keep our precious article intact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.164.167 ( talk) 22:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Some headlines I've found so far regarding his death's impact. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it's fairly obvious that the film will be dedicated to the memory of Heath, so you'll be re-editing this page for a long time if disagreements continue. It's best to just refer to him as 'the late Heath Ledger' a few times, and leave in the mention of his death, as a mark of respect, if nothing else. Then again, this place seems to be run by suits, who seem to be totally void of emotion... (EDIT: common sense too) - Mittens2317 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mittens2317 ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I've attempted to add a Release section addressing Ledger's death, partially because we have some independent suggestions available and partially to appease the constant editing this article will undergo. Thoughts on my addition? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion, this is what must be done: Nothing for the moment, not until someone related to this film makes a public talk about Ledger (what, I´m sure, will happen pretty soon). Then we can quote him/her and add it to the article. That´s my opinion, though. Franshu ( talk) 02:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
For some reason, Euges116 thinks that the paragraph in the Release section are "unsubstantiated statements", despite my direct quotations of the headlines at the beginning of the Break section. Can someone review this situation and see if there really is an issue with the paragraph? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 05:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
He admitted to stress stemming from before he died. If we mention his stress while filming making this film in isolation it implies that this film was responsible for his death. Either we leave his sleeplessness out or put in the context of his general stress levels.
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I attempted to make this edit earlier, but it was undone. I suspect the user who reversed my edit was just doing their job, and trying to protect the article from being more about Ledger’s death than the film. I assure you, my minor edit was not a careless one, and I feel that the introduction would benefit from it. Here are my justifications:
1) Not mentioning it in the intro makes the article seem out of date 2) It acknowledges his death (solving the above issue), without requiring any elaboration. 3) While it is true that “the late” is not added to the names of all deceased actors, this case is unusually since the film will be released after the actor’s death. These two words make this clear, again without requiring further explanation. Xargon666x6 ( talk) 12:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"It is also the last film by Mako Iwamatsu."
"TMNT was Mako Iwamatsu's last film prior to his death. Mako was announced as the voice of Splinter at the San Diego Comic-Con on 20 July 2006. He then passed away the next day. A dedication to Mako appears at the end of the film's credits. This is the second TMNT film to include a dedication, the other being Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze which was dedicated to Jim Henson."
"This was Orson Welles's final film. He was in declining health during production. Shortly before he died, he told his biographer, Barbara Leaming, that he had spent the day "playing a toy" in a movie about toys who "do horrible things to each other." Film historian Joseph McBride quotes Welles saying of his participation: "I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. Then I'm destroyed." Welles' voice was apparently so weak by the time he made his recording that technicians needed to run it through a synthesizer to salvage it. The voicework for Transformers: The Movie was the last movie project he worked on; his voice session was on 5 October 1985, and five days later on 10 October 1985, Welles died of a heart attack."
Yep that ribbon's for Heath if you noticed when that message burns away it's right next to his face this is a sad time for all batman and ledger fans. This is only the second actor who's play joker who's died all the the rest of them are still alive from Jack to Mark they're still around but, heath and Romero the men who's played the character where everybody thing it's spot on for the time are gone
RIP Romero and Heath—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.225.161 ( talk) 00:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
This page is going to get out of hand, I ask for a admin to semi protect or completely protect the page.
I have a feeling that this page is going to get edited too many times when the movie hasn't even come out yet, people are already trying to change things to "The Late" Heath Ledger and things of that nature. Protect this page please. The Cleveland Browns are awesome! ( talk) 15:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I use for example, the Chris Benoit page when he died as a example of how this page can quickly get out of hand. The Cleveland Browns are awesome! ( talk) 15:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC) The Heath page is more likely to get out of hand. The Benoit thing was bigger because #1 its wrestling fans and they tend to vandalise more and #2 he murdered his wife and kids. Changing it form the late to just his name isnt something to protect the page for. LifeStroke420 ( talk) 18:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
"Nolan was initially unsure of returning for the sequel, but eventually decided upon creating a new interpretation of the Joker, based on the villain's original appearances in comic book lore." It seems to me that this should either be rephrased to indicate that this is what Nolan THINKS he is doing (with a citation), or removed as original research (or simple falsehood.) The facts of the interpretation in the film that have already been verified by cast and crew are that this Joker is a knife-fetishist with facial scarring, greasy makeup, (poorl) dyed hair, and punk sensibilities. That's hardly the Joker as depicted in his original appearances, who is eerie (as opposed to bats***-crazy), methodical, and does not at any real point DIRECTLY kill anyone (choosing as he does to use hidden gas and the like)- and who is at no point indicated to have any facial attributes other than the color of his skin, lips, and hair. (In fact, the idea that the Joker has anything wrong with his actual mouth at all (the "frozen grin") was only introduced in the first Burton Batman movie- he's often been shown in the comics to have an unusually wide grin but also the usual variety of facial expressions.) 206.218.218.49 ( talk) 14:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The lead is merely a summary of the rest of the article, and therefore does not require citations (as per WP:LEAD), as long as the facts it presents are cited elsewhere. Steve T • C 16:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Nolan was initially unsure of whether he would return, but felt that he did want to reinterpret the Joker on screen. [1] After much research, his brother and co-writer Jonathan Nolan suggested the character's first two appearances be their influence. The director "felt like we've actually come around to something eerily close to those first two stories." [2] Jerry Robinson, one of the Joker's co-creators, was consulted on the character's portrayal. [3]
I'd like to explain the removal of "dilemma of his vigilante crusade". That is the core conflict for Batman, and he deals with that "dilemma" on a continual basis, so there's really nothing new here for Dark Knight. I also rephrased the bit about the Joker, because "escalation ... situation ... personified ... portrayed" was, well, bad. EAE ( Holla!) 03:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This film qualifies as a member of Category:Posthumous works in the same way as Queen of the Damned (film), The Crow (1994 film), and even more so than Bad Santa. Ledger was the second-most important actor in the film, and the timing of his death before the film's release justifies the categorization. EAE ( Holla!) 06:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as several members of the tabloid news media (which is pretty much everyone on the 24/7 news channels) are taking this quote out of context and apparently missing the point (or doing it on purpose) regards to the other one they've latched on to about his sleeping habits. At the very least I think the word "cheerfully" is in much need of inclusion seeing as it was used by the writer of the story to describe Heath Ledger how explained it, I think doing so would do a lot to put the quote in its proper context. In fact I think I'll do it now. PHOENIXZERO ( talk) 11:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Please as a sign of respect to Heath Ledger can you please add that this is his final film, as well as maybe his best work since The the patriot. I hope they put a in memory of Heath Ledger at the start or end of the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.208.61 ( talk) 12:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0242759/ 24.17.73.18 ( talk) 08:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is something more appropriate on the Ledger article. It's a pretty heartfelt letter from Nolan about Ledger, about his experience with him working on the film. http://www.newsweek.com/id/105580 -- Lordkelvin ( talk) 23:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The entire marketing of the film is now up in the air. The studio heads have a big job on their hands. The film has been in the media associated with Ledger. The posters are going to probably be pulled featuring him as the Joker. The official web site for Batman: The Dark Knight, and the Joker web site, both have tributes. The Dark Knight's web site was actually shut off for a full Heath tribute. The voice over completion was also reported on, if Ledger finished post production. All of this should be mentioned. Right there you have the marketing, production, etc.
You don't have to go into rumors, just what is surrounding the film, now that Heath is deceased.
Nolan has issued a full page tribute to Heath that is heartbreaking.
This is all related to the film, and I hope you get that, since sooner or later, it's going to end up on here as we get closer to the release, and the media totally making it about Heath's last film, and interviewing the cast, asking them about it.
You could now get it concise, and get it "over with", before people start coming on, posting paragraph, after paragraph about Ledger. 68.82.82.248 ( talk) 07:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The edit tab is disabled, so non-registered users like me cannot add information to the article but you Batman fans may be interested to learn that the Joker apparently rides a skateboard in the new film, according to Nolan [4]. Cheers. 210.50.60.22 ( talk) 21:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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