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It should have in there the russian gangster (not sure of character name or actor) but he played an important role in the film and it should also note that The Scarecrow/Dr. Crane made a cameo early in the film. The Jay Experience 11:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that the bit about the death of Heath Ledger (the Joker) is really misplaced. Its a character summary, not an obituary. Really off-topic and unprofessional, if you ask me, only adding to the belief that Wikipedia is a poor source for information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.59.30 ( talk) 01:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Why delete what i said!?
We have the Batpod in the "Effects" section, but that has nothing to do with effects. The creation of the batpod is a production design element. At the same time, we talk about the look of the Joker, which really borders closer to make-up effects than just simply costume design. I think we need to go through and pick out which statements are in the wrong section and find a better home for them. Anyone else? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
There is an article here, I don't see it has any sources to cite the notability of it, Gotham Knights which claims to be a sequel to "The Dark Knight". The article seems pretty bogus...someone tried to delete the page but it was reverted. Can someone check this article out? I think it needs to be deleted since nothing has been said about a sequel as far as I know. Michael Betancourt ( talk) 07:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Michael Betancourt ( talk) 05:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I added a small paragraph on the reception of the soundtrack. It's propperly cited, but I fear it will be erased, because I mentioned some of the score's drawbacks.
I personally didn't like it, but I've noticed it recieves a lot of hype on Soundtrack.net, but that's wierd, because all of the soundtracks with music by Hans Zimmer or any Media Ventures composer (Mark Mancina, Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell, Ramin Djawadi and Steve Jablonsky, etc.) are very positively reviewed by the website critics. That makes me think that the website and some wiki editors commend this score a little too much. I mean, sure, the music works for the movie, but it's no Star Wars, nor Lord of the Rings, nor Back to the Future, nor Elfman's Batman and not even Goldenthal's Batman, all of which have themes that have become popular with casual (non specialist) listeners. Even Lux Aeterna from Requiem for a Dream is quite popular among lots of people, but The Dark Knight doesn't have a theme I could call "popular" or part of the "collective conciousness".
Also, in interviews and movie reviews, it is stated that Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard worked together. However, considering Newton Howard's more lush, romantic style, there's no doubt in my mind Hans Zimmer made the score himself. This article for "Batman Begins" [1] humorously implies that Zimmer used James Newton Howard as ghostwriter. Their words, not mine.
I know this is not a forum, but if there is bias, it should be taken care of. I'm saving this text and the one I added to the article just in case someone erases it (which will most likely happen) -- Surten ( talk) 05:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Surten
I wasnt sure after watching the movie a few times why the convicts where put on the boat, can someone add a piece that says that to the main article Jimlavalamp ( talk) 22:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)JimLavaLamp
Why isn't the re-release date included in infobox? It's notable. 195.46.35.77 ( talk) 09:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
In the article on the plot of the film it say The Joker hijacked the bus after blowing up the hospital. Was there any evidence in the film that proves he hijacked that bus? I am asking because I've seen this movie several time now and although I always wondered why they allowed him on the bus, I didn't see any threatening gestures or weapons from The Joker as he got on the bus and I didn't see any of his henchmen either. I guess we could assume they were on the bus but for that sake of accuacy in the article it should be made clear if any evidence exists if he hijacked the bus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.130.33 ( talk) 16:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
1- When Harvey Dent gets half of his face scarred, he stops being Harvey Dent and becomes Two Face. He doesn't see himself as Dent, so you shouldn't refer to him as "Dent", either.
And YES, unlike Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, that name is actually used within the movie:
Two Face: Do you remember the nickname they gave me when I was in Internal Affairs?
Commissioner Gordon: Yes
Two Face: Say it.
Comissioner Gordon: Harvey, I...
Two Face: SAY IT! SAY IT!
Comissioner Gordon: TWO FACE! TWO FACE! Harvey TWO FACE!
Two Face: Why should I hide who I truly am?
2- The Joker's clown face is NOT make up! That's how his actual face looks like.
Read "Batman: The Killing Joke".
So, please stop referring to the Joker's clown face as "makeup" in-universe.
3-"Gordon's wife and son" have names. They are Barbara Gordon Sr. and James Gordon Jr.
In addition, the little girl we see is Barbara Gordon Jr. That's why neither Batgirl nor Robin will appear in the Nolan movies: they are both little kids at the time the movies are set.
4- Given that this is a sequel, stop deleting me pointing out which actors come bacvk from Batman Begins.
Sorry but in the film the Jokers clown face is make up, we see his un made up face when he disguises as a police man at the funeral march —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.127.220 ( talk) 12:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
In "The Dark Knight Featuring Production Art and Full Shooting Script" the shooting script refers to Harvey Dent as 'Dent' through the entirety of the screenplay. It only treats Two-Face as an alias. However I don't have any pages scanned at the moment to cite. Also During the robbery in the beginning of the film the two clown/robbers have the conversation about The Joker wearing 'make-up' and actually refer to it as 'war paint'. Tsurettejr ( talk) 19:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey. Today I read in the Star Phoenix (a Saskatchewan newspaper) that during the production of The Dark Knight, the Joker burned a pile of real money. Actual cash. The article is here:
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Entertainment/more+dignified+movies/1142426/story.html
and it was originally written in the National Post (a bigger Canadian newspaper). Is this confirmed anywhere else?
Megosoles ( talk) 03:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I know this could probably end up as sort of original research, but does Brandon Lee's The Crow by no means influence the design of Heath Ledger's The Joker somehow? Because I found some similarities, besides their ominous deaths. -- Mato Rei ( talk) 05:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, someone took out my edit about the score, and I chose to let it go. Another user commented "what are score reviews doing in the production section?" (can't remember who, beacuse they erased my comment on the talk page as well), and I thought it was fair enough. I would have kept my mouth shut, except for my stumbling upon the article for Alien vs. Predator (film) which also has soundtrack reviews on THE PRODUCTION SECTION, under "Music". Now, if I see the soundtrack reception on AvP is taken out, I'll give it a rest. But if it's still there, well, why shouldn't we also add a reception of Zimmer and Howard's soundtrack? -- Surten ( talk) 05:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Surten
All of the following is too much info for a general article about a film, and it belongs on a more detailed soundtrack article:
"Zimmer originally said the main Batman theme was purposely introduced at the end of Batman Begins, and would be fleshed out in the sequel as the character develops. [1] Zimmer and Howard both realized that creating a heroic theme that a viewer could hum would ignore the complexity and darkness of the character. That the heroic theme is audible only twice, early on in the film, creates what Zimmer described as a " red herring", a kind of musical foreshadowing. [2]
...which Zimmer claimed Nolan fully memorized. [3]
...Zimmer compared its style to that of Kraftwerk, a band from his native Germany, as well to bands like The Damned. [2]"
It's all here, if you want to add it back. -- Surten ( talk) 06:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Surten
This section has been reverted from the article without explanation, save for the fact hat I should find a consensus for inclusion beforehand. Usually, that would be an appropriate defense for someone adding crufty, uncited or unrelated material, but such is not the case here. We have citations ( 1, 2, 3) from reliable sources notably making the connection (and I am sure that there will be more) connecting the event to a deranged individual's identification with a character depicted in this movie. I've tagged the section as a current event. If someone wants to delete it - and I am not at all convinced that it should be - we need to discuss how we are going to overlook the presence of connecting citation. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I am fine with someone initiating an RfC. I will participate. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- "Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone."
I mean, there's a whole website dedicated to how bad it is (dark knight sucks - good site). That's not exactly the case with something like Wall-E, is it?
cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.251.240 ( talk) 05:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The entire final paragraph of the "Themes and analysis" section deserves to be completely removed. It only cites a single reference, which is not even functional, and quite frankly reeks of somebody promoting their own blog (and opinions) by infecting it into a popular article on wikipedia.
Also, the tarot card invoked is not really called "The Joker", but "The Fool", and bears no parallels whatsoever, much less "striking" ones, to either Lucifer or the Joker from Batman, aside from the superficial. I am therefore removing this short paragraph entirely, because its contents are beyond repair and quite frankly, irrelevant.
As a side note, is it just me, or is the portion of the Reception section devoted to Mr.Denby suspiciously disproportionate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.1.157 ( talk) 16:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Will you remember Russel Crowe in a film role in The Dark Knight's will was written. Did you wonder if that information can be added?-- Olağan Şüpheli ( talk) 13:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I know it's a lark. A call came to the agenda is a joke, but it is understood to mean information. If you're too small, remember you go.-- Olağan Şüpheli ( talk) 15:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
-edit; crap, it submitted twice. Sorry guys!-
At one point it says 'Best Direcor' instead of 'Best Director'. Not much of a problem, but still, rather perfectly correct than mistakes. :)
In 2009, writers Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan, and David S. Goyer were nominated for a Nebula Award, along side Wall-E and Stargate Atlantis episode The Shrine. [4] This should be added to the organization award table. The award is the "Nebula Award," the category is "Best Script," the winner/nominee is "Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan, David S. Goyer," and the result thus far is "Nominated." The award will be presented at the 2009 Nebula Awards® Weekend, April 24-26,2009 in Los Angeles, California. Alteran1 ( talk) 05:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, what are you guys doing? You closed the option, to edit the Gross Revenue, for others. Than its your job to do it. —Preceding
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Is it true that the film grossed over one trillion dollars andif so oudnt that be some kind of record. 72.27.124.66 ( talk) 02:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any discussion, so I'll make it.
I think it should be split - it just doesn't look good to have a GA with so many lists, and in all honesty, this list could become an FL fairly easily with the right work on it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone add in a section like "Fictional technologies and concepts" as in the Ultraviolet film article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.127.222 ( talk) 09:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, re-editing this to give editors a headstart... rough notes, someone start this off, don't want to mess with the article itself... thought this would be added by now
Cape - flightsuits, memory fabrics (based on heat and magnetism), memory materials in general can be discussed
Batarang - Oriental throwing stars
Tumbler - mix between a humvee and a gallardo, basically a sleek sports car with armor. Independant engines. Batpod inside the tumbler, cars that can split into two (?). Also jet powered. There were a few jet powered cars around.
Batpod - the Dodge Tomahawk. Bare essential bike. Engines inside both the tires. Can go vertical at times. Ammunition/armor on the batpod. The seating position (no seats). Upper body used for steering as the wheels are broad.
Operation Skyhook - using a helium/hydrogen baloon with a cord attached to pick up units. Is it possible, and similiar tech in real life.
Bat Suit - Titanim reinforced kevlar. Triple weave on the armor platings (limbs, torso). Double weave everywhere else. Made of many small parts, like a midiveal suit of armour. Kevlar "weaves" can be explained. Also, ceramic based armors can be explained.
Batman's utility belt - also kevlar, with a small motor that can draw batman up at high speeds. there are some similiar gadgets used by the military and MIT students, but not as powerful as the one batman has in this film.
phone sonar - how this is not possible, the mics/speakers wont be able to resolve anything useful. A note on the actual phone models used can be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.127.222 ( talk) 12:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
There will be a sequel for sure. Lee Smith is now in Bulgaria and a friend of mine who is working with him now told me that Lee told him there indeed will be a sequel. The only source I can give is a Bulgarian forum, but no one of you can read Bulgarian. It's on the begining of page 119 - http://artline-comics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3089&start=2340 -- Batman tas ( talk) 10:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I know that TDK is the sequel of BB. A third film, ofcourse, will be a sequel to BB, but why are you telling that it won't be a continuation to TDK? -- Batman tas ( talk) 15:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I knew that my information won't serve with nothing, but at least to inform you. Once Lee has told that there will be another sequel, so there will be another sequel. And I have already started to sharpen my teeth. -- Batman tas ( talk) 20:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, guys, exercise some maturity. Geez.... The Joker's Woman BlackPearl14• contribs! 20:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
In Bulgaria "to sharpen teeth" means that you don't have patience for something, for example - you can't wait until the next episode of "Lost". And what does "I don't know Lee Smith from Adam", I don't see any sense. Explain it more simple. -- Batman tas ( talk) 20:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Aha, now it's clear. Darrenhusted, I have never said that you or anyone don't know Lee. I said that no one of you can't speak Bulgarian. -- Batman tas ( talk) 21:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Please fill this section in with more information. There is so much more scope for analysis, which has not been done. To start with, Batman's reluctance to use weapons, how batman's childhood was shown in this movie, and Batman's relationship with the CEO of wayne enterprises, his butler and Rachel. Also, the Joker, and Two-Face are spoken of in the same breath. The Joker can be delved into much deeper, with more explanation for the depiction of the Prisinor's dillema (no mention at all of the people in the process of making decisions). What feels dramatically left out is things like the prisinor throwing the remote overboard. This section has a lot of scope, and in fact, maybe the reason why a lot of people read this article at all, so those who can edit the page, please do edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.181.112.187 ( talk) 15:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey i know that this page is protected and therefore i cannot edit it but can someone please say that he lost the batmobile and turned it into the batpod please in the plot section.-- Simpaklimp ( talk) 10:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
What happened to our friend Bignole to not edit the title genre for "2008 superhero film", it seems that he has a problem with it being "2008 action film" but finds no problem when it is called "20008 action noir superhero film"? Well, will you edit it back to 2008 superhero film bignole? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.46.188.206 ( talk) 22:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey y'all i was just reading this page and i noticed that there isn't any mention of the Marketing materials used such as the 3 Set PlayStation 3 Network Store Themes.
Theme 1 = Batman Theme 2 = The Joker Theme 3 = Harvey Dent
Each priced at $1.99
These Themes Change the look and feel of the PlayStation 3's XMB
It'd be cool if someone could add this to the Marketing Materials used to advertise them film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.199.99 ( talk) 07:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm reading through this plot section, and it feels very sloppy. The facts are there, but the flow feels awkward. Am I alone on this point? Any objections if I try to do a prose overhaul? Jacobking ( talk) 21:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
"Following its critical and commercial success, The Dark Knight has gone to garner multiple awards ranging from Best Picture to Best Special Effects." When I hear "Best Picture", I definitely think of the Oscars. The sentence should be reworked to give examples of those giving out the awards or the part beginning from "ranging" should just be removed altogether. – thedemonhog talk • edits 03:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
The plot for this movie is incorrect......can someone please edit it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.211.150.63 ( talk) 05:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The Dark Knight has gone to garner multiple awards ranging from Best Picture to Best Special Effects.
him smashing the Bat-Signal
The 'Critical Reception' part of this article has a paragraph entirely about the supposed controversy this film caused on IMDB.com, where it (for a time) beat The Godfather to their 'no.1 of all time' position. Is it really necessary to say any more than that? I think this paragraph is essentially trivial information, interesting only to fans of imdb - it belongs on that article, not this one. All we should say here is 'the film was at one point no.1 on IMDB.com's top 250, it is now no.6'. Robofish ( talk) 15:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
It is mentioned several times throughout the film that if Dent is caught doing anything wrong (any crime, for instance), all of his convictions will be undone and the criminals will be released automatically. It is also briefly mentioned between Batman and Gordon just after Dent dies. I keep adding this, but it keeps getting deleted every time I do. Can somebody please tell me what's going on here? Jienum ( talk) 09:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Both this film and Batman Begins are listed in the list of Fantasy films but they are not in the Fantasy films category. So are they fantasy films or not? There's no magic or monsters but superheroes/vigilantes like Batman certainly don't exist in real life. 220.244.168.135 ( talk) 13:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, maybe Batman doesn't exist in your city, but that doesn't mean superhero vigilantes don't exist. The police can't stop crime without a little help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.253.42.70 ( talk) 23:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It's definitely ambiguous. Sort of like Dick Tracy being a superhero. But, when you think about it, there isn't much that's fantastical about these films: maybe Dent's injuries because his Two-Face getup isn't anatomically accurate and medically he probably should have died. Other than that, it's no more fantasy than, say, The Bourne Ultimatum or Rambo. If anything, you can qualify it as sci-fi. The microwave emitter, psychoactive drugs and some of the technology Batman uses are pretty far-out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.82.67 ( talk) 23:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is Harvey Dent referred to as "Dent" and Rachel Dawes as "Rachel"? A gx7 ( talk) 12:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Was Lau kept in the warehouse with Joker and The Russian counting the $? And did he die in the flames? ( JoeLoeb ( talk) 01:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC))
Hi, Can someone please add that PlayStation 3 had 3 Themes ( Batman, Joker, Harvey Dent ) for download for $1.99 each as did the Xbox 360 have 2 Free Themes and 1 Avatar Pack.
Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.230.139 ( talk) 02:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
When Batman was interrogating the Joker about the locations about Harvey and Rachel, he said Dent was at "250 52nd Street" and that Rachel was at "Avenue X, at Cissero". Batman then says he is going for Rachel, so Gordon goes to get Harvey and calls all available units to "converge at 250 52nd Street". However, Batman is the one that goes to get Dent, not Gordon. Later in the film, Dent phones Gordon on top of a building and says that he has his family "where my family died". This would have though to have been the address where Rachel was, but it turns out to be where he was horrifically burned.
This suggests multiple things. Could Batman have intentionally killed Rachel because he knew they would never be together? Or was it just a error/inconsistency in the script? The Beatles Fan ( talk) 20:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
That's a good discussion to have on a message forum somewhere. The pertinent fact- that the Joker apparently switched addresses - is already in the article. Xsmasher ( talk) 21:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The first theory is way out there, unless the sequel surprises us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.82.67 ( talk) 23:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
There is certainly a sequel coming in 2011 or so: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2480975/Batman-sequel-to-The-Dark-Knight-Johnny-Depp-to-play-The-Riddler.html http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/03/17/christian-bale-talks-batman-3-sequel-to-the-dark-knight/-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 23:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
■Be polite
■Assume good faith
■Be welcoming
Can't we apply this? Gnmng Jreck ( talk) 18:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there any more information about the salaries of the cast? I only found that Heath ledger earned between 5-10 million dollars. Other than that, nothing. Is there anywhere more info?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 23:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Is this really a superhero movie? Isn't it more of a gang movie? This take on Batman isn't about a superhero, he's just a vigilante. Should we also consider The Brave One a superhero movie? Come on, guys. Ra agg io 02:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
First, things can be in more than one genre so being a super-hero movie is not mutually exclusive to gang or action movies as some people seem to think. Second, Batman himself is a "superhero" there's no denying this. He's an iconic DC comics character. Therefore, a movie about Batman is inherently a super-hero movie. Finally, to call it purely a gang film is absurd, equally so to say just because Batman doesn't have any powers. No offense, as realistic as Nolan's style for the film is many, many, MANY things in the film are an exaggeration of reality just not possible. Not to mention the whole format of hero, villain and the films storyline is filled with superhero archetypes, imagery, and motifs (so even academically its a super-hero movie). Super-hero movie is a genre.
I don't know if you somehow see the classification as a super-hero movie as some form of stigma, and you're trying to raise the film above that but that's your own internal neurosis. Get over it! It's a super-hero movie. 24.190.34.219 ( talk) 18:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know the significance of the image that appears on the poster (Batman standing in front of a building with the bat-symbol burned onto it)? It's not from the movie. Was it a deleted scene or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasper Hirose ( talk • contribs)
it has also grossed $222,184,086 in dvd sales if you could add that to the gross. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.221.68.150 ( talk) 05:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be no explanation as to why it was removed, can some one please clarify why.-- Frank Fontaine ( talk) 16:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I listed resources to use at Talk:The Dark Knight (film)/Resources. Feel free to use them to improve the article further. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 00:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Dr Wikipedia describes an “action movie” as “a film genre wherein the story is largely told through physical action as opposed to dialog”. So right off the bat, we get a wrench in the works. No one who did not undergo a botched lobotomy in Mexico could argue that TDK lacked dialog. Some people can even make the case that there was too much exposition in the Nolan flick, with characters explaining their actions and the plot at every turn.
Continuin with the definition, we read that in an action movie, “The action typically involves individual efforts on the part of the hero”. And while it is true we did see a lot of ass kicking on Batman’s part in TDK, the story itself was not trully about him. It was as much about the Joker, Harvey Dent, Gordon, Rachel, Gotham, the volatile nature of human beings, the nature of madness and heroism as it was about Batsy. And what action scenes there were… there really wasn’t that many of those. I know, cause I timed them. Using VLC on super speed up, I timed all the supposedly action scenes in TDK. There weren’t that many of them.
I have counted a lot of scenes in TDK as “action” scenes to be fair. I even counted scenes that hardly constitute as action. I even included dialouge during the action scenes to be fair. And here it is. And remember, I was very generous:
Prologue: 5min28s Garage fight: 1m47s, 1 explosion (Tumbler) Pencil trick: 5 seconds Hong Kong fight: 3m29s, 1 explosion Judge car explosion: 5 seconds Bale disarms clown: 5 seconds Penthouse fight: 1m2s Joker shoots mayor: 10 seconds Club: 30s Highway chase: 7m1s, 4 explosions (bazooka, Tumbler, car, helicopter) + 1 truck flip Interrogation: 1m42s Bomb in MCU: 50 seconds, 1 explosion Dent and Rachel: 1m10s, 2 explosions Car crash: 25 seconds Explosion of hospital 1m Maroni car crash: 10 seconds Building fight: 5m8s You know how I got these scars?+Fall: 20s Batman jumps on Dent: 23s Final chase: 46s
All in all, 20 action scenes took 31 minutes 36 seconds. 32 minutes of action, leaving more than 2 hours of pure dialog, character exposition and all that other non-explosiony stuff people get so bored with.
If you want to get more mathematical on it, the action scenes in TDK took about 22% of the movie, and each scene lasted an average of 1.6 minutes, which hardly makes TDK an action movie. It definitely had action elements to it, but an action movie it was not.
So what exactly was TDK? What genre was it? I think what best describes Nolan’s “The Dark Knight” is super hero crime drama. Yeah, that works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.158.245.188 ( talk) 20:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
should we make a section about the Dark night curse. -- Pedro J. the rookie 00:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
What's the "Dark Knight curse"??? -- 75.179.182.98 ( talk) 00:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
While i was a big fan of the first film and was really eager to see this one, i think that sadly if it wasn't for Heath Ledger's death (R.I.P) TDK would not have made the huge impact on the box office that it did. Sure the Joker stole the movie,sure his performance is incredible,sure it was masterfully directed and brilliantly acted,but it didn't deserve all the praise it got,and coming in with a big hype surronding it didn't help either.An action film?NO. A Crime drama? Maybe. A superhero movie?Not really ( considering it's based on a comic book). So how is TDK defined?(Christopher Nolan claimed in an interview in Empire magazine that it's like heat,with a clown running in every now and then.) Othman84 ( 05/09/09)
Please do not use discussion pages as a forum. And no, it's not overrated. -- Iron Chef ( talk) 19:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
"For seven years, IMDb's Top 250 Movies of All-Time (a list of the top movies based on user ratings on a scale of 1 to 10) had The Shawshank Redemption ranked number one and The Godfather ranked number two. On July 19, 2008, The Dark Knight dethroned The Shawshank Redemption from that number one position,[151] however it subsequently slipped back down the rankings."
This isn't true. The Godfather held the No. 1 position for many many years, and the Shawshank Redemption overtook it near the time The Dark Knight was released. I'm deleting the first sentence of this small paragraph until somebody has the proof from IMDB. Fds sdf 07:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
In actuality, "The Godfather" was number 1 on IMDB and "The Shawshank Redemption" was number 2, then "The Dark Knight" took the number 1 spot and "The Godfather" dropped to number 3 while "The Shawshank Redemption" remained at number 2. Then "The Dark Knight" dropped and "The Shawshank Redemption" moved up to number 1 and "The Godfather" moved up to number 2. That's how it actually happened. I remember distinctly that is exactly how it happened, I had watched that list very closely for years before "The Dark Knight" and even more closely during "The Dark Knight"'s run in the cinema. —Preceding
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The result of the move request was page not moved. @ harej 00:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
The Dark Knight (film) →
The Dark Knight — I think this is the clear primary topic, and as such should be at the non-disambiguated title. "The Dark Knight" is an alternative name for
Batman, but I think a very large majority of readers using that search term are looking for the film rather than one of the
other meanings. Interestingly,
the dark knight redirects here, but
The Dark Knight points to the disambiguation page. One of them should probably be corrected even if there's no consensus for this move.
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New Moon has broken two records previously held by Dark Knight so I've updated the article. Mo HH92 Talk 17:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to burst the bubble but Box Office Mojo has conformed this. =P Mo HH92 Talk 10:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC
Sorry to burst the bubble again but the midnight record was first broken by Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, not by New Moon. =D Chen19711 ( talk) 03:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to burst your bubble but stop treating this talk page like a forum. -- Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ ( talk) 14:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it an action film? 201.43.152.100 ( talk) 18:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone has to reword this line: "It is also the fourth highest grossing film worldwide, and only the fourth film to earn more than $1 billion, worldwide." http://www.hollywood.com/boxoffice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.52.55 ( talk) 00:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The whole section should be rewriten.
Per Wikipedia:MOSFILM#Critical_response... we avoid IMDb ratings/rankings as their prone to systematic skew. We've gone thru the issue:
User:Darrenhusted argues that the ratings are different from the rankings; but at the end of the day... said rankings are derived from the ratings. (i.e., you can't be ranked #1 on IMDb with a 2.3 rating) Also, all past discussions above have mentioned both rankings and rating interchangeably. The film's critical legacy is already well-documened sans IMDb... so their inclusion is also superfluous at best. -- Madchester ( talk) 20:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Found some data on how much the movie made in Japan for Blu-Ray discs. Is it okay to add it here?
Here's the link BTW. [4] Ominae ( talk) 23:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I have an issue with the part mentioned above, the article says "A minority of reviewers expressed views that the film might be vastly overrated and subjected to "incredible, ridiculous amount of hype"...". It kind of sounds like that minority is mediocre or something like that. I personally didn't like the film at all and also believe it was only successful because of Ledger's "tragic" death, but if you're wondering, nope, I'm not trolling and this is not part of the WP:IDONTLIKEIT thingy. I just believe it can/should be changed to something like "Despite all the praise it received, some reviewers/critics expressed..." or whatever thing that doesn't make it look like people who didn't like it are weird. -- Exrain ( talk) 02:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I think this article should be featured but don't know how to nominate, could anyone do that? I think it is very well redacted. Exrain ( talk) 22:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Why not change the genre into crime action or action crime instead of crime thriller? since the movie considered more action than thriller. That's just a suggestion, 201.42.212.103 ( talk) 03:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
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Under the Sequel section, please list the release date for 'Batman 3' as July 20, 2012.
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When the prisoner on the ferry is holding the trigger, he throws it out of the window into the river, not into an air vent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aokwh ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
There is a great deal of badly written information in the first; in turn making the rest of the article sound absurd. The Joker robs a mob bank and ultimately kills himself. WHAT??? I know this is easily fixed in theory, yet I just cannot do it. It kind of degrades the article, someone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipfreely555 ( talk • contribs) 09:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
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It should have in there the russian gangster (not sure of character name or actor) but he played an important role in the film and it should also note that The Scarecrow/Dr. Crane made a cameo early in the film. The Jay Experience 11:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that the bit about the death of Heath Ledger (the Joker) is really misplaced. Its a character summary, not an obituary. Really off-topic and unprofessional, if you ask me, only adding to the belief that Wikipedia is a poor source for information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.59.30 ( talk) 01:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Why delete what i said!?
We have the Batpod in the "Effects" section, but that has nothing to do with effects. The creation of the batpod is a production design element. At the same time, we talk about the look of the Joker, which really borders closer to make-up effects than just simply costume design. I think we need to go through and pick out which statements are in the wrong section and find a better home for them. Anyone else? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
There is an article here, I don't see it has any sources to cite the notability of it, Gotham Knights which claims to be a sequel to "The Dark Knight". The article seems pretty bogus...someone tried to delete the page but it was reverted. Can someone check this article out? I think it needs to be deleted since nothing has been said about a sequel as far as I know. Michael Betancourt ( talk) 07:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Michael Betancourt ( talk) 05:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I added a small paragraph on the reception of the soundtrack. It's propperly cited, but I fear it will be erased, because I mentioned some of the score's drawbacks.
I personally didn't like it, but I've noticed it recieves a lot of hype on Soundtrack.net, but that's wierd, because all of the soundtracks with music by Hans Zimmer or any Media Ventures composer (Mark Mancina, Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell, Ramin Djawadi and Steve Jablonsky, etc.) are very positively reviewed by the website critics. That makes me think that the website and some wiki editors commend this score a little too much. I mean, sure, the music works for the movie, but it's no Star Wars, nor Lord of the Rings, nor Back to the Future, nor Elfman's Batman and not even Goldenthal's Batman, all of which have themes that have become popular with casual (non specialist) listeners. Even Lux Aeterna from Requiem for a Dream is quite popular among lots of people, but The Dark Knight doesn't have a theme I could call "popular" or part of the "collective conciousness".
Also, in interviews and movie reviews, it is stated that Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard worked together. However, considering Newton Howard's more lush, romantic style, there's no doubt in my mind Hans Zimmer made the score himself. This article for "Batman Begins" [1] humorously implies that Zimmer used James Newton Howard as ghostwriter. Their words, not mine.
I know this is not a forum, but if there is bias, it should be taken care of. I'm saving this text and the one I added to the article just in case someone erases it (which will most likely happen) -- Surten ( talk) 05:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)Surten
I wasnt sure after watching the movie a few times why the convicts where put on the boat, can someone add a piece that says that to the main article Jimlavalamp ( talk) 22:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)JimLavaLamp
Why isn't the re-release date included in infobox? It's notable. 195.46.35.77 ( talk) 09:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
In the article on the plot of the film it say The Joker hijacked the bus after blowing up the hospital. Was there any evidence in the film that proves he hijacked that bus? I am asking because I've seen this movie several time now and although I always wondered why they allowed him on the bus, I didn't see any threatening gestures or weapons from The Joker as he got on the bus and I didn't see any of his henchmen either. I guess we could assume they were on the bus but for that sake of accuacy in the article it should be made clear if any evidence exists if he hijacked the bus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.130.33 ( talk) 16:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
1- When Harvey Dent gets half of his face scarred, he stops being Harvey Dent and becomes Two Face. He doesn't see himself as Dent, so you shouldn't refer to him as "Dent", either.
And YES, unlike Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, that name is actually used within the movie:
Two Face: Do you remember the nickname they gave me when I was in Internal Affairs?
Commissioner Gordon: Yes
Two Face: Say it.
Comissioner Gordon: Harvey, I...
Two Face: SAY IT! SAY IT!
Comissioner Gordon: TWO FACE! TWO FACE! Harvey TWO FACE!
Two Face: Why should I hide who I truly am?
2- The Joker's clown face is NOT make up! That's how his actual face looks like.
Read "Batman: The Killing Joke".
So, please stop referring to the Joker's clown face as "makeup" in-universe.
3-"Gordon's wife and son" have names. They are Barbara Gordon Sr. and James Gordon Jr.
In addition, the little girl we see is Barbara Gordon Jr. That's why neither Batgirl nor Robin will appear in the Nolan movies: they are both little kids at the time the movies are set.
4- Given that this is a sequel, stop deleting me pointing out which actors come bacvk from Batman Begins.
Sorry but in the film the Jokers clown face is make up, we see his un made up face when he disguises as a police man at the funeral march —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.127.220 ( talk) 12:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
In "The Dark Knight Featuring Production Art and Full Shooting Script" the shooting script refers to Harvey Dent as 'Dent' through the entirety of the screenplay. It only treats Two-Face as an alias. However I don't have any pages scanned at the moment to cite. Also During the robbery in the beginning of the film the two clown/robbers have the conversation about The Joker wearing 'make-up' and actually refer to it as 'war paint'. Tsurettejr ( talk) 19:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey. Today I read in the Star Phoenix (a Saskatchewan newspaper) that during the production of The Dark Knight, the Joker burned a pile of real money. Actual cash. The article is here:
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Entertainment/more+dignified+movies/1142426/story.html
and it was originally written in the National Post (a bigger Canadian newspaper). Is this confirmed anywhere else?
Megosoles ( talk) 03:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I know this could probably end up as sort of original research, but does Brandon Lee's The Crow by no means influence the design of Heath Ledger's The Joker somehow? Because I found some similarities, besides their ominous deaths. -- Mato Rei ( talk) 05:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, someone took out my edit about the score, and I chose to let it go. Another user commented "what are score reviews doing in the production section?" (can't remember who, beacuse they erased my comment on the talk page as well), and I thought it was fair enough. I would have kept my mouth shut, except for my stumbling upon the article for Alien vs. Predator (film) which also has soundtrack reviews on THE PRODUCTION SECTION, under "Music". Now, if I see the soundtrack reception on AvP is taken out, I'll give it a rest. But if it's still there, well, why shouldn't we also add a reception of Zimmer and Howard's soundtrack? -- Surten ( talk) 05:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Surten
All of the following is too much info for a general article about a film, and it belongs on a more detailed soundtrack article:
"Zimmer originally said the main Batman theme was purposely introduced at the end of Batman Begins, and would be fleshed out in the sequel as the character develops. [1] Zimmer and Howard both realized that creating a heroic theme that a viewer could hum would ignore the complexity and darkness of the character. That the heroic theme is audible only twice, early on in the film, creates what Zimmer described as a " red herring", a kind of musical foreshadowing. [2]
...which Zimmer claimed Nolan fully memorized. [3]
...Zimmer compared its style to that of Kraftwerk, a band from his native Germany, as well to bands like The Damned. [2]"
It's all here, if you want to add it back. -- Surten ( talk) 06:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Surten
This section has been reverted from the article without explanation, save for the fact hat I should find a consensus for inclusion beforehand. Usually, that would be an appropriate defense for someone adding crufty, uncited or unrelated material, but such is not the case here. We have citations ( 1, 2, 3) from reliable sources notably making the connection (and I am sure that there will be more) connecting the event to a deranged individual's identification with a character depicted in this movie. I've tagged the section as a current event. If someone wants to delete it - and I am not at all convinced that it should be - we need to discuss how we are going to overlook the presence of connecting citation. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I am fine with someone initiating an RfC. I will participate. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- "Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone."
I mean, there's a whole website dedicated to how bad it is (dark knight sucks - good site). That's not exactly the case with something like Wall-E, is it?
cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.251.240 ( talk) 05:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The entire final paragraph of the "Themes and analysis" section deserves to be completely removed. It only cites a single reference, which is not even functional, and quite frankly reeks of somebody promoting their own blog (and opinions) by infecting it into a popular article on wikipedia.
Also, the tarot card invoked is not really called "The Joker", but "The Fool", and bears no parallels whatsoever, much less "striking" ones, to either Lucifer or the Joker from Batman, aside from the superficial. I am therefore removing this short paragraph entirely, because its contents are beyond repair and quite frankly, irrelevant.
As a side note, is it just me, or is the portion of the Reception section devoted to Mr.Denby suspiciously disproportionate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.1.157 ( talk) 16:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Will you remember Russel Crowe in a film role in The Dark Knight's will was written. Did you wonder if that information can be added?-- Olağan Şüpheli ( talk) 13:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I know it's a lark. A call came to the agenda is a joke, but it is understood to mean information. If you're too small, remember you go.-- Olağan Şüpheli ( talk) 15:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
-edit; crap, it submitted twice. Sorry guys!-
At one point it says 'Best Direcor' instead of 'Best Director'. Not much of a problem, but still, rather perfectly correct than mistakes. :)
In 2009, writers Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan, and David S. Goyer were nominated for a Nebula Award, along side Wall-E and Stargate Atlantis episode The Shrine. [4] This should be added to the organization award table. The award is the "Nebula Award," the category is "Best Script," the winner/nominee is "Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan, David S. Goyer," and the result thus far is "Nominated." The award will be presented at the 2009 Nebula Awards® Weekend, April 24-26,2009 in Los Angeles, California. Alteran1 ( talk) 05:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, what are you guys doing? You closed the option, to edit the Gross Revenue, for others. Than its your job to do it. —Preceding
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Is it true that the film grossed over one trillion dollars andif so oudnt that be some kind of record. 72.27.124.66 ( talk) 02:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any discussion, so I'll make it.
I think it should be split - it just doesn't look good to have a GA with so many lists, and in all honesty, this list could become an FL fairly easily with the right work on it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone add in a section like "Fictional technologies and concepts" as in the Ultraviolet film article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.127.222 ( talk) 09:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, re-editing this to give editors a headstart... rough notes, someone start this off, don't want to mess with the article itself... thought this would be added by now
Cape - flightsuits, memory fabrics (based on heat and magnetism), memory materials in general can be discussed
Batarang - Oriental throwing stars
Tumbler - mix between a humvee and a gallardo, basically a sleek sports car with armor. Independant engines. Batpod inside the tumbler, cars that can split into two (?). Also jet powered. There were a few jet powered cars around.
Batpod - the Dodge Tomahawk. Bare essential bike. Engines inside both the tires. Can go vertical at times. Ammunition/armor on the batpod. The seating position (no seats). Upper body used for steering as the wheels are broad.
Operation Skyhook - using a helium/hydrogen baloon with a cord attached to pick up units. Is it possible, and similiar tech in real life.
Bat Suit - Titanim reinforced kevlar. Triple weave on the armor platings (limbs, torso). Double weave everywhere else. Made of many small parts, like a midiveal suit of armour. Kevlar "weaves" can be explained. Also, ceramic based armors can be explained.
Batman's utility belt - also kevlar, with a small motor that can draw batman up at high speeds. there are some similiar gadgets used by the military and MIT students, but not as powerful as the one batman has in this film.
phone sonar - how this is not possible, the mics/speakers wont be able to resolve anything useful. A note on the actual phone models used can be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.127.222 ( talk) 12:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
There will be a sequel for sure. Lee Smith is now in Bulgaria and a friend of mine who is working with him now told me that Lee told him there indeed will be a sequel. The only source I can give is a Bulgarian forum, but no one of you can read Bulgarian. It's on the begining of page 119 - http://artline-comics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3089&start=2340 -- Batman tas ( talk) 10:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I know that TDK is the sequel of BB. A third film, ofcourse, will be a sequel to BB, but why are you telling that it won't be a continuation to TDK? -- Batman tas ( talk) 15:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I knew that my information won't serve with nothing, but at least to inform you. Once Lee has told that there will be another sequel, so there will be another sequel. And I have already started to sharpen my teeth. -- Batman tas ( talk) 20:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, guys, exercise some maturity. Geez.... The Joker's Woman BlackPearl14• contribs! 20:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
In Bulgaria "to sharpen teeth" means that you don't have patience for something, for example - you can't wait until the next episode of "Lost". And what does "I don't know Lee Smith from Adam", I don't see any sense. Explain it more simple. -- Batman tas ( talk) 20:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Aha, now it's clear. Darrenhusted, I have never said that you or anyone don't know Lee. I said that no one of you can't speak Bulgarian. -- Batman tas ( talk) 21:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Please fill this section in with more information. There is so much more scope for analysis, which has not been done. To start with, Batman's reluctance to use weapons, how batman's childhood was shown in this movie, and Batman's relationship with the CEO of wayne enterprises, his butler and Rachel. Also, the Joker, and Two-Face are spoken of in the same breath. The Joker can be delved into much deeper, with more explanation for the depiction of the Prisinor's dillema (no mention at all of the people in the process of making decisions). What feels dramatically left out is things like the prisinor throwing the remote overboard. This section has a lot of scope, and in fact, maybe the reason why a lot of people read this article at all, so those who can edit the page, please do edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.181.112.187 ( talk) 15:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey i know that this page is protected and therefore i cannot edit it but can someone please say that he lost the batmobile and turned it into the batpod please in the plot section.-- Simpaklimp ( talk) 10:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
What happened to our friend Bignole to not edit the title genre for "2008 superhero film", it seems that he has a problem with it being "2008 action film" but finds no problem when it is called "20008 action noir superhero film"? Well, will you edit it back to 2008 superhero film bignole? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.46.188.206 ( talk) 22:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey y'all i was just reading this page and i noticed that there isn't any mention of the Marketing materials used such as the 3 Set PlayStation 3 Network Store Themes.
Theme 1 = Batman Theme 2 = The Joker Theme 3 = Harvey Dent
Each priced at $1.99
These Themes Change the look and feel of the PlayStation 3's XMB
It'd be cool if someone could add this to the Marketing Materials used to advertise them film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.199.99 ( talk) 07:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm reading through this plot section, and it feels very sloppy. The facts are there, but the flow feels awkward. Am I alone on this point? Any objections if I try to do a prose overhaul? Jacobking ( talk) 21:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
"Following its critical and commercial success, The Dark Knight has gone to garner multiple awards ranging from Best Picture to Best Special Effects." When I hear "Best Picture", I definitely think of the Oscars. The sentence should be reworked to give examples of those giving out the awards or the part beginning from "ranging" should just be removed altogether. – thedemonhog talk • edits 03:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
The plot for this movie is incorrect......can someone please edit it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.211.150.63 ( talk) 05:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The Dark Knight has gone to garner multiple awards ranging from Best Picture to Best Special Effects.
him smashing the Bat-Signal
The 'Critical Reception' part of this article has a paragraph entirely about the supposed controversy this film caused on IMDB.com, where it (for a time) beat The Godfather to their 'no.1 of all time' position. Is it really necessary to say any more than that? I think this paragraph is essentially trivial information, interesting only to fans of imdb - it belongs on that article, not this one. All we should say here is 'the film was at one point no.1 on IMDB.com's top 250, it is now no.6'. Robofish ( talk) 15:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
It is mentioned several times throughout the film that if Dent is caught doing anything wrong (any crime, for instance), all of his convictions will be undone and the criminals will be released automatically. It is also briefly mentioned between Batman and Gordon just after Dent dies. I keep adding this, but it keeps getting deleted every time I do. Can somebody please tell me what's going on here? Jienum ( talk) 09:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Both this film and Batman Begins are listed in the list of Fantasy films but they are not in the Fantasy films category. So are they fantasy films or not? There's no magic or monsters but superheroes/vigilantes like Batman certainly don't exist in real life. 220.244.168.135 ( talk) 13:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, maybe Batman doesn't exist in your city, but that doesn't mean superhero vigilantes don't exist. The police can't stop crime without a little help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.253.42.70 ( talk) 23:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It's definitely ambiguous. Sort of like Dick Tracy being a superhero. But, when you think about it, there isn't much that's fantastical about these films: maybe Dent's injuries because his Two-Face getup isn't anatomically accurate and medically he probably should have died. Other than that, it's no more fantasy than, say, The Bourne Ultimatum or Rambo. If anything, you can qualify it as sci-fi. The microwave emitter, psychoactive drugs and some of the technology Batman uses are pretty far-out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.82.67 ( talk) 23:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is Harvey Dent referred to as "Dent" and Rachel Dawes as "Rachel"? A gx7 ( talk) 12:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Was Lau kept in the warehouse with Joker and The Russian counting the $? And did he die in the flames? ( JoeLoeb ( talk) 01:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC))
Hi, Can someone please add that PlayStation 3 had 3 Themes ( Batman, Joker, Harvey Dent ) for download for $1.99 each as did the Xbox 360 have 2 Free Themes and 1 Avatar Pack.
Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.230.139 ( talk) 02:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
When Batman was interrogating the Joker about the locations about Harvey and Rachel, he said Dent was at "250 52nd Street" and that Rachel was at "Avenue X, at Cissero". Batman then says he is going for Rachel, so Gordon goes to get Harvey and calls all available units to "converge at 250 52nd Street". However, Batman is the one that goes to get Dent, not Gordon. Later in the film, Dent phones Gordon on top of a building and says that he has his family "where my family died". This would have though to have been the address where Rachel was, but it turns out to be where he was horrifically burned.
This suggests multiple things. Could Batman have intentionally killed Rachel because he knew they would never be together? Or was it just a error/inconsistency in the script? The Beatles Fan ( talk) 20:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
That's a good discussion to have on a message forum somewhere. The pertinent fact- that the Joker apparently switched addresses - is already in the article. Xsmasher ( talk) 21:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The first theory is way out there, unless the sequel surprises us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.82.67 ( talk) 23:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
There is certainly a sequel coming in 2011 or so: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2480975/Batman-sequel-to-The-Dark-Knight-Johnny-Depp-to-play-The-Riddler.html http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/03/17/christian-bale-talks-batman-3-sequel-to-the-dark-knight/-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 23:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
■Be polite
■Assume good faith
■Be welcoming
Can't we apply this? Gnmng Jreck ( talk) 18:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there any more information about the salaries of the cast? I only found that Heath ledger earned between 5-10 million dollars. Other than that, nothing. Is there anywhere more info?-- Diaa abdelmoneim ( talk) 23:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Is this really a superhero movie? Isn't it more of a gang movie? This take on Batman isn't about a superhero, he's just a vigilante. Should we also consider The Brave One a superhero movie? Come on, guys. Ra agg io 02:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
First, things can be in more than one genre so being a super-hero movie is not mutually exclusive to gang or action movies as some people seem to think. Second, Batman himself is a "superhero" there's no denying this. He's an iconic DC comics character. Therefore, a movie about Batman is inherently a super-hero movie. Finally, to call it purely a gang film is absurd, equally so to say just because Batman doesn't have any powers. No offense, as realistic as Nolan's style for the film is many, many, MANY things in the film are an exaggeration of reality just not possible. Not to mention the whole format of hero, villain and the films storyline is filled with superhero archetypes, imagery, and motifs (so even academically its a super-hero movie). Super-hero movie is a genre.
I don't know if you somehow see the classification as a super-hero movie as some form of stigma, and you're trying to raise the film above that but that's your own internal neurosis. Get over it! It's a super-hero movie. 24.190.34.219 ( talk) 18:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know the significance of the image that appears on the poster (Batman standing in front of a building with the bat-symbol burned onto it)? It's not from the movie. Was it a deleted scene or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasper Hirose ( talk • contribs)
it has also grossed $222,184,086 in dvd sales if you could add that to the gross. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.221.68.150 ( talk) 05:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be no explanation as to why it was removed, can some one please clarify why.-- Frank Fontaine ( talk) 16:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I listed resources to use at Talk:The Dark Knight (film)/Resources. Feel free to use them to improve the article further. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 00:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Dr Wikipedia describes an “action movie” as “a film genre wherein the story is largely told through physical action as opposed to dialog”. So right off the bat, we get a wrench in the works. No one who did not undergo a botched lobotomy in Mexico could argue that TDK lacked dialog. Some people can even make the case that there was too much exposition in the Nolan flick, with characters explaining their actions and the plot at every turn.
Continuin with the definition, we read that in an action movie, “The action typically involves individual efforts on the part of the hero”. And while it is true we did see a lot of ass kicking on Batman’s part in TDK, the story itself was not trully about him. It was as much about the Joker, Harvey Dent, Gordon, Rachel, Gotham, the volatile nature of human beings, the nature of madness and heroism as it was about Batsy. And what action scenes there were… there really wasn’t that many of those. I know, cause I timed them. Using VLC on super speed up, I timed all the supposedly action scenes in TDK. There weren’t that many of them.
I have counted a lot of scenes in TDK as “action” scenes to be fair. I even counted scenes that hardly constitute as action. I even included dialouge during the action scenes to be fair. And here it is. And remember, I was very generous:
Prologue: 5min28s Garage fight: 1m47s, 1 explosion (Tumbler) Pencil trick: 5 seconds Hong Kong fight: 3m29s, 1 explosion Judge car explosion: 5 seconds Bale disarms clown: 5 seconds Penthouse fight: 1m2s Joker shoots mayor: 10 seconds Club: 30s Highway chase: 7m1s, 4 explosions (bazooka, Tumbler, car, helicopter) + 1 truck flip Interrogation: 1m42s Bomb in MCU: 50 seconds, 1 explosion Dent and Rachel: 1m10s, 2 explosions Car crash: 25 seconds Explosion of hospital 1m Maroni car crash: 10 seconds Building fight: 5m8s You know how I got these scars?+Fall: 20s Batman jumps on Dent: 23s Final chase: 46s
All in all, 20 action scenes took 31 minutes 36 seconds. 32 minutes of action, leaving more than 2 hours of pure dialog, character exposition and all that other non-explosiony stuff people get so bored with.
If you want to get more mathematical on it, the action scenes in TDK took about 22% of the movie, and each scene lasted an average of 1.6 minutes, which hardly makes TDK an action movie. It definitely had action elements to it, but an action movie it was not.
So what exactly was TDK? What genre was it? I think what best describes Nolan’s “The Dark Knight” is super hero crime drama. Yeah, that works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.158.245.188 ( talk) 20:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
should we make a section about the Dark night curse. -- Pedro J. the rookie 00:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
What's the "Dark Knight curse"??? -- 75.179.182.98 ( talk) 00:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
While i was a big fan of the first film and was really eager to see this one, i think that sadly if it wasn't for Heath Ledger's death (R.I.P) TDK would not have made the huge impact on the box office that it did. Sure the Joker stole the movie,sure his performance is incredible,sure it was masterfully directed and brilliantly acted,but it didn't deserve all the praise it got,and coming in with a big hype surronding it didn't help either.An action film?NO. A Crime drama? Maybe. A superhero movie?Not really ( considering it's based on a comic book). So how is TDK defined?(Christopher Nolan claimed in an interview in Empire magazine that it's like heat,with a clown running in every now and then.) Othman84 ( 05/09/09)
Please do not use discussion pages as a forum. And no, it's not overrated. -- Iron Chef ( talk) 19:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
"For seven years, IMDb's Top 250 Movies of All-Time (a list of the top movies based on user ratings on a scale of 1 to 10) had The Shawshank Redemption ranked number one and The Godfather ranked number two. On July 19, 2008, The Dark Knight dethroned The Shawshank Redemption from that number one position,[151] however it subsequently slipped back down the rankings."
This isn't true. The Godfather held the No. 1 position for many many years, and the Shawshank Redemption overtook it near the time The Dark Knight was released. I'm deleting the first sentence of this small paragraph until somebody has the proof from IMDB. Fds sdf 07:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
In actuality, "The Godfather" was number 1 on IMDB and "The Shawshank Redemption" was number 2, then "The Dark Knight" took the number 1 spot and "The Godfather" dropped to number 3 while "The Shawshank Redemption" remained at number 2. Then "The Dark Knight" dropped and "The Shawshank Redemption" moved up to number 1 and "The Godfather" moved up to number 2. That's how it actually happened. I remember distinctly that is exactly how it happened, I had watched that list very closely for years before "The Dark Knight" and even more closely during "The Dark Knight"'s run in the cinema. —Preceding
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07:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was page not moved. @ harej 00:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
The Dark Knight (film) →
The Dark Knight — I think this is the clear primary topic, and as such should be at the non-disambiguated title. "The Dark Knight" is an alternative name for
Batman, but I think a very large majority of readers using that search term are looking for the film rather than one of the
other meanings. Interestingly,
the dark knight redirects here, but
The Dark Knight points to the disambiguation page. One of them should probably be corrected even if there's no consensus for this move.
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19:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
New Moon has broken two records previously held by Dark Knight so I've updated the article. Mo HH92 Talk 17:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to burst the bubble but Box Office Mojo has conformed this. =P Mo HH92 Talk 10:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC
Sorry to burst the bubble again but the midnight record was first broken by Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince, not by New Moon. =D Chen19711 ( talk) 03:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to burst your bubble but stop treating this talk page like a forum. -- Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ ( talk) 14:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it an action film? 201.43.152.100 ( talk) 18:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone has to reword this line: "It is also the fourth highest grossing film worldwide, and only the fourth film to earn more than $1 billion, worldwide." http://www.hollywood.com/boxoffice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.52.55 ( talk) 00:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The whole section should be rewriten.
Per Wikipedia:MOSFILM#Critical_response... we avoid IMDb ratings/rankings as their prone to systematic skew. We've gone thru the issue:
User:Darrenhusted argues that the ratings are different from the rankings; but at the end of the day... said rankings are derived from the ratings. (i.e., you can't be ranked #1 on IMDb with a 2.3 rating) Also, all past discussions above have mentioned both rankings and rating interchangeably. The film's critical legacy is already well-documened sans IMDb... so their inclusion is also superfluous at best. -- Madchester ( talk) 20:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Found some data on how much the movie made in Japan for Blu-Ray discs. Is it okay to add it here?
Here's the link BTW. [4] Ominae ( talk) 23:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I have an issue with the part mentioned above, the article says "A minority of reviewers expressed views that the film might be vastly overrated and subjected to "incredible, ridiculous amount of hype"...". It kind of sounds like that minority is mediocre or something like that. I personally didn't like the film at all and also believe it was only successful because of Ledger's "tragic" death, but if you're wondering, nope, I'm not trolling and this is not part of the WP:IDONTLIKEIT thingy. I just believe it can/should be changed to something like "Despite all the praise it received, some reviewers/critics expressed..." or whatever thing that doesn't make it look like people who didn't like it are weird. -- Exrain ( talk) 02:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I think this article should be featured but don't know how to nominate, could anyone do that? I think it is very well redacted. Exrain ( talk) 22:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Why not change the genre into crime action or action crime instead of crime thriller? since the movie considered more action than thriller. That's just a suggestion, 201.42.212.103 ( talk) 03:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
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Under the Sequel section, please list the release date for 'Batman 3' as July 20, 2012.
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/04/batman-3-release-date-set-for-2012.html
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23:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
When the prisoner on the ferry is holding the trigger, he throws it out of the window into the river, not into an air vent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aokwh ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
There is a great deal of badly written information in the first; in turn making the rest of the article sound absurd. The Joker robs a mob bank and ultimately kills himself. WHAT??? I know this is easily fixed in theory, yet I just cannot do it. It kind of degrades the article, someone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipfreely555 ( talk • contribs) 09:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
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