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In the "civil disobedience" and "conclusions" sections there are several interpretive statements that lack citations, e.g., "Socrates makes two more logical errors. He defends his moral pacifism with a bad analogy and props it up with a false dilemma." If these statements are widely held views in scholarship on the Crito, it should not be difficult to give references, following the example of WP:CITE and WP:FOOTNOTE. On the other hand, if no citation can be supplied for these interpretations, the sections need to be rewritten in accordance with WP:OR.
Please note that I've placed {{ original research}} templates in several other articles on Platonic dialogues, including Charmides (dialogue), Protagoras (dialogue), and Theaetatus (dialogue). --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I changed the English pronunciation from "usually KREE-toh" to "usually KRY-toh, also KREE-toh." I checked with two leading experts in ancient philosophy, and they both indicate that "KRY-toh" is the usual English pronunciation (which comports with my own experience). Mark DeBellis Debell ( talk) 17:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
The "Summary" section is copied in its entirety from Sparknotes with the exception of two transitional words added to the summary on Wikipedia. Proof provided here, and the Sparknotes page is here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.90.91.2 ( talk) 21:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Since the article was nearly completely plagiarized from SparkNotes or other such sources, all but the lead was deleted. Now we need to rewrite it, and luckily, as it is a well known piece, there are plenty of sources. A quick search of "Crito" on Google Scholar yields a good amount of papers to write a summary, explain the significance, and write about what it means today.
Additionally, the German translation of this article is featured, so anyone with the ability to read German would be vital to making this article better than it ever was.
I will be more than happy to work on this article once my workload thins, which it should after tomorrow. puggo ( talk) 19:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for
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If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs)
Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.
It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria-
It contains copyright infringements-
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@ Lee Vilenski:, Finished with the edits. Please review the improved text at your earliest convenience. puggo ( talk) 00:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Since his trial in Apology, Socrates has beenfor example.
I'm going to fail this one for now. I'd suggest requesting a copy-edit at WP:GOCE as well. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I read the article and I do not understand what the convention for the name in the article is supposed to be: Crito or The Crito? And why is it spelled the Crito? Veverve ( talk) 11:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Veverve:. I have made the suggested fixes. I have also added an additional definition about the middle and early periods of Plato's bibliography. puggo ( talk) 01:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Reverted to stable title. The user who rejected the technical request ( Station1) explicitly accepted this solution, so there are no objections and, I think, nothing to discuss unless Veverve prefers the disambiguated form, in which case he can just revert my closure (but should leave the page where it is). ( closed by non-admin page mover) Srnec ( talk) 03:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
The Crito →
Crito (dialogue) – harmonisation with
Theaetetus (dialogue),
Critias (dialogue),
Minos (dialogue), etc.
Veverve (
talk)
04:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Why does the article use two different editions of the Crito (one by the Oxford Univ. Press, and another by Wildside Press)? Moreover, why is the Wildside Press version simply referred as "Plato (2018, etc.), Crito, etc."? Veverve ( talk) 05:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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In the "civil disobedience" and "conclusions" sections there are several interpretive statements that lack citations, e.g., "Socrates makes two more logical errors. He defends his moral pacifism with a bad analogy and props it up with a false dilemma." If these statements are widely held views in scholarship on the Crito, it should not be difficult to give references, following the example of WP:CITE and WP:FOOTNOTE. On the other hand, if no citation can be supplied for these interpretations, the sections need to be rewritten in accordance with WP:OR.
Please note that I've placed {{ original research}} templates in several other articles on Platonic dialogues, including Charmides (dialogue), Protagoras (dialogue), and Theaetatus (dialogue). --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I changed the English pronunciation from "usually KREE-toh" to "usually KRY-toh, also KREE-toh." I checked with two leading experts in ancient philosophy, and they both indicate that "KRY-toh" is the usual English pronunciation (which comports with my own experience). Mark DeBellis Debell ( talk) 17:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
The "Summary" section is copied in its entirety from Sparknotes with the exception of two transitional words added to the summary on Wikipedia. Proof provided here, and the Sparknotes page is here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.90.91.2 ( talk) 21:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Since the article was nearly completely plagiarized from SparkNotes or other such sources, all but the lead was deleted. Now we need to rewrite it, and luckily, as it is a well known piece, there are plenty of sources. A quick search of "Crito" on Google Scholar yields a good amount of papers to write a summary, explain the significance, and write about what it means today.
Additionally, the German translation of this article is featured, so anyone with the ability to read German would be vital to making this article better than it ever was.
I will be more than happy to work on this article once my workload thins, which it should after tomorrow. puggo ( talk) 19:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski ( talk · contribs) 19:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for
GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.
If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs)
Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.
It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria-
It contains copyright infringements-
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}).-
It is not stable due to edit warring on the page.-
@ Lee Vilenski:, Finished with the edits. Please review the improved text at your earliest convenience. puggo ( talk) 00:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Since his trial in Apology, Socrates has beenfor example.
I'm going to fail this one for now. I'd suggest requesting a copy-edit at WP:GOCE as well. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I read the article and I do not understand what the convention for the name in the article is supposed to be: Crito or The Crito? And why is it spelled the Crito? Veverve ( talk) 11:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Veverve:. I have made the suggested fixes. I have also added an additional definition about the middle and early periods of Plato's bibliography. puggo ( talk) 01:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Reverted to stable title. The user who rejected the technical request ( Station1) explicitly accepted this solution, so there are no objections and, I think, nothing to discuss unless Veverve prefers the disambiguated form, in which case he can just revert my closure (but should leave the page where it is). ( closed by non-admin page mover) Srnec ( talk) 03:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
The Crito →
Crito (dialogue) – harmonisation with
Theaetetus (dialogue),
Critias (dialogue),
Minos (dialogue), etc.
Veverve (
talk)
04:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Why does the article use two different editions of the Crito (one by the Oxford Univ. Press, and another by Wildside Press)? Moreover, why is the Wildside Press version simply referred as "Plato (2018, etc.), Crito, etc."? Veverve ( talk) 05:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)