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Whilst not a pyramid scheme, it would definitely be worth pointing our that the Cobra Group is a large Multi Level Marketing, door the door sales group. The principal being that you join the company as an independent contractor who earns no salary. Makes sales and moves up 'Cycle of Development' (ie, level 1, level 2). Each level puts more people under you, you earn commissions based on their sales, etc, etc. It doesn't cross the line into an illegal pyramid scheme, however its structure is essentially the same as any of the thousands of MLM schemes out their. The whole principal being the higher your 'level' and the more people under you in the tree, the more you earn.
I also think the the list of companies operating under the cobra group should be placed back in the article. It seems it has been removed, as companies in the cobra group try not to make it known what they actually are, and make an effort to present themselves as being independent, standalone 'marketing' companies. And Biggest fraud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.132.226 ( talk) 13:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC) http://www.appcogroup.com.au/about-us-1/mythbusters#MYTH%203
That's what I was trying to say...but you said it better. Just trying to point out past difficulties involving the list of companies also. I assume that it was removed because it was hard to verify the existence of the companies etc. because we have been through it all before...hahaha..sigh...-- !---slappdash---! ( talk) 17:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please enlighten me as to why this page is updated every day and the opening sentence states that the company is a Pyramid scheme when the rest of the article refers to the fact that they are a marketing company and at no point seems to suggest that they are taking money in the form of investment from the general public? A pyramid( or "Ponzi" as the americans call it) scheme is clearly explained on these very pages and commonly understood to be a system where people are invited to invest money for the potential of market beating returns. The scheme uses new money that it continually attracts to pay the original investor's the interet they are due. The scheme is unsustainable as sooner or later the fund will run out of new investors with which to pay the old. Would anyone like to offer a different or "new" version of this long standing definition? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.82.173.11 ( talk) 09:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
No point in arguing over the definition of a pyramid scheme, just change the description of the cobra group in this article to something more suitable. I think that "marketing company" used to be in the place of "pyramid scheme" in the opening sentence, and no references were given regarding the change, so personally I don't see the harm in changing it back as it is clearly a better description. On the other hand "best described as an outsourced salesforce" makes me grin. A monkey in silk is a monkey no less... -- !---slappdash---! ( talk) 13:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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Try googling Cobra Group Scam. Chump 12:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
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http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=223274http://dsmaxaftermath.proboards.com/ — Preceding
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Hello,
I represent Cobra Group and Appco Group and I am concerned that there are a number of fundamental inaccuracies in the Cobra Group Wikipedia entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cobra_Group).
I have detailed these inaccuracies on the article's talk page previously, but have had little response – essentially none of the factual errors have been addressed.
I would very much like for the article to at least be factually correct and would be grateful if you could look into the below issues:
As well as the inaccuracies, this article gives quite an out-dated and fairly negative insight into Cobra and Appco, but a previous discussion thread mentions a desire to include positive information for a balanced view.
I'm not in any way suggesting the negative content be deleted, but if this article is indeed to be focused on Appco Group, more positive information can be found on the British Red Cross website and in client testimonials on the Appco Group website, but I understand these may not be seen as neutral if they are on the organisation's own site.
Information panel: Cobra Group was founded in 1988 (not 1986); the headquarters for Cobra Group are in Hong Kong (not London). Many thanks for considering this information.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Callcott1 ( talk • contribs)
As a campaign was waged against this article last year by a company representative, a dispute/contradiction is now clearly visible within the article itself. There is no mention of the company being founded in Sydney, as this was clearly unnoticed for several years by prior editors I am within my rights to list the article as self-contradictory and therefore factually in dispute as it's categorical placement gives the strong impression the Company has some sort of "1986 founded in Australia" connection to New South Wales, which personally I, and other prior employees, am aware of. Either the company was founded in Sydney Australia or it was founded in Hong Kong or another country! If we cannot say this company was founded in Australia, what is the point of listing it as an Australian Article? Discuss please. If the previous user from the company is still around he should possibly make suggestions on how the company is "officially" connected to Australia and Sydney in order to clear up the facts from Cobra's official position. Colliric ( talk) 02:23, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Whilst not a pyramid scheme, it would definitely be worth pointing our that the Cobra Group is a large Multi Level Marketing, door the door sales group. The principal being that you join the company as an independent contractor who earns no salary. Makes sales and moves up 'Cycle of Development' (ie, level 1, level 2). Each level puts more people under you, you earn commissions based on their sales, etc, etc. It doesn't cross the line into an illegal pyramid scheme, however its structure is essentially the same as any of the thousands of MLM schemes out their. The whole principal being the higher your 'level' and the more people under you in the tree, the more you earn.
I also think the the list of companies operating under the cobra group should be placed back in the article. It seems it has been removed, as companies in the cobra group try not to make it known what they actually are, and make an effort to present themselves as being independent, standalone 'marketing' companies. And Biggest fraud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.132.226 ( talk) 13:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC) http://www.appcogroup.com.au/about-us-1/mythbusters#MYTH%203
That's what I was trying to say...but you said it better. Just trying to point out past difficulties involving the list of companies also. I assume that it was removed because it was hard to verify the existence of the companies etc. because we have been through it all before...hahaha..sigh...-- !---slappdash---! ( talk) 17:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please enlighten me as to why this page is updated every day and the opening sentence states that the company is a Pyramid scheme when the rest of the article refers to the fact that they are a marketing company and at no point seems to suggest that they are taking money in the form of investment from the general public? A pyramid( or "Ponzi" as the americans call it) scheme is clearly explained on these very pages and commonly understood to be a system where people are invited to invest money for the potential of market beating returns. The scheme uses new money that it continually attracts to pay the original investor's the interet they are due. The scheme is unsustainable as sooner or later the fund will run out of new investors with which to pay the old. Would anyone like to offer a different or "new" version of this long standing definition? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.82.173.11 ( talk) 09:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
No point in arguing over the definition of a pyramid scheme, just change the description of the cobra group in this article to something more suitable. I think that "marketing company" used to be in the place of "pyramid scheme" in the opening sentence, and no references were given regarding the change, so personally I don't see the harm in changing it back as it is clearly a better description. On the other hand "best described as an outsourced salesforce" makes me grin. A monkey in silk is a monkey no less... -- !---slappdash---! ( talk) 13:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
--
Try googling Cobra Group Scam. Chump 12:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Chump of Che Bu (
talk •
contribs)
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=223274http://dsmaxaftermath.proboards.com/ — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
161.43.217.70 (
talk)
03:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
![]() | Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. |
Hello,
I represent Cobra Group and Appco Group and I am concerned that there are a number of fundamental inaccuracies in the Cobra Group Wikipedia entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cobra_Group).
I have detailed these inaccuracies on the article's talk page previously, but have had little response – essentially none of the factual errors have been addressed.
I would very much like for the article to at least be factually correct and would be grateful if you could look into the below issues:
As well as the inaccuracies, this article gives quite an out-dated and fairly negative insight into Cobra and Appco, but a previous discussion thread mentions a desire to include positive information for a balanced view.
I'm not in any way suggesting the negative content be deleted, but if this article is indeed to be focused on Appco Group, more positive information can be found on the British Red Cross website and in client testimonials on the Appco Group website, but I understand these may not be seen as neutral if they are on the organisation's own site.
Information panel: Cobra Group was founded in 1988 (not 1986); the headquarters for Cobra Group are in Hong Kong (not London). Many thanks for considering this information.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Callcott1 ( talk • contribs)
As a campaign was waged against this article last year by a company representative, a dispute/contradiction is now clearly visible within the article itself. There is no mention of the company being founded in Sydney, as this was clearly unnoticed for several years by prior editors I am within my rights to list the article as self-contradictory and therefore factually in dispute as it's categorical placement gives the strong impression the Company has some sort of "1986 founded in Australia" connection to New South Wales, which personally I, and other prior employees, am aware of. Either the company was founded in Sydney Australia or it was founded in Hong Kong or another country! If we cannot say this company was founded in Australia, what is the point of listing it as an Australian Article? Discuss please. If the previous user from the company is still around he should possibly make suggestions on how the company is "officially" connected to Australia and Sydney in order to clear up the facts from Cobra's official position. Colliric ( talk) 02:23, 20 November 2015 (UTC)