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I realise this may have been simply translated from a different language wiki, but I've changed the name of the page. There is no "Mormon Church of Tonga". The Mormon Church (LDS Church) is monolithic — it merely branches out to new countries and is established in the country, but it's always established under the standard name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. No country has it's "own" Mormon Church called the "Mormon Church of XXX". There are congregations and stakes of the church, but no separate national Mormon churches. Anyway, I've changed the name of the article to reflect similar categories and articles, like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Canada and Category:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Oceania.

It occurred to me that perhaps this article was supposed to be about the pictured building; that building is the Nuku alofa Tonga Temple, which already has an article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC) reply

Difference between LDS Membership & LDS on Census Statistics

There is a contrast difference among the reported LDS membership as reported from the church and found from the 1996 census survey. For the most part, the difference comes in what the two statistics are measuring. LDS records are ALL Members on Record whether they attend or not. The 1996 Tongan census is all those who voluntarily state wheter they are members of which church. Reasons for the differences include:

1) Dissention among members that have not requested their LDS membership to be removed. The LDS church keeps membership records even when members aren’t attending. This way, the individual can choose to return to church - many times in the same standing and advancement (Membership, Temple, Priesthood) in which they left. [1] If the individual was excommunicated (which is rare [2]), requests their membership records removed, or if the records gets lost, then if the individual wants to regain full status, he/she would have to be rebaptized, and advance in the church as if they were a nonmember just joining.

2) There may be some who have moved or died that are still on record. [3]

Also sources of error that could occur through the survey.

1) Some may not want to be labeled as LDS even if they are active members - Even if the survey is only for statistical purposes.

2) The survey in Tonga was either or. Some may be members of multiple of churches, but list only one or none in the survey.

3) any other sources of error that may come from the survey.

Dmm1169 ( talk) 22:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Growth since 1996

The church does not reveal how many are active or less active, but there has been a much greater increase in stakes and wards compared to population growth since the 1996 census. The growth in number of LDS wards and stakes far surpassed Tonga's population growth. Because there is a minumum attendance, priesthood, etc for a branch to be called a ward, manytimes this becomes a better indicator when comparing the number of active members are in an area.

Dmm1169 ( talk) 22:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Even With differences, Tonga has World's Highest LDS Concentration

Even with Tonga having a significant number of those not attending, if only % of active members are taken into consideration against the population, It is probable that Tonga still has the highest LDS per capita concentration in the World. The significant difference in membership ration between Tonga & the countries 2nd or 3rd highest membership ratios are great enough to show that Tonga, by ratio its population, has more members than any other country in the world.


Dmm1169 ( talk) 22:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Original research

Unless you have a reference for the above speculations, it is WP:OR and should not be referenced in the article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ Membership, Retention on the Rise.“News of the Church,” Ensign, Jun 2007, 75–80. Church membership growth numbers are often interpreted inaccurately, which can lead to misconceptions in the media, Brother Buckner said. Therefore, it is important to clearly understand what these numbers signify. They represent the number of Church members, but they do not represent activity rates. The Church does not remove an individual’s name from its membership rolls based on inactivity.
  2. ^ Why is a Mormon Expommunicated. LDS Newsroom. 16 July 2008.
  3. ^ "Church Statistics Reflect Steady Growth". LDS Newsroom. 11 April 2007 it is a challenge for the Church to keep track of all of its members, especially if they do not regularly attend Sunday services. The Church does not remove an individual’s name from its membership rolls based on inactivity.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Tonga/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: HaEr48 ( talk · contribs) 04:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

I'll take this on. Interesting topic, will read the article in detail soon. HaEr48 ( talk) 04:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

*Preliminary feedback: As per WP:PAGENUM, please include page numbers in citations referring the Britsch (1986) book. See WP:CITEPAGE on how to do this. HaEr48 ( talk) 04:47, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Ok here goes:

Feedback on body

* “It was anticipated that copies of the new book would be prepared quickly” => who anticipated that? HaEr48 ( talk) 05:34, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

* “The king and prime minister of Tonga both “ => name the king and PM? HaEr48 ( talk) 05:34, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

* Why is the section heading in plural when there’s only one? HaEr48 ( talk) 04:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Feedback on lead

@ JAGrace (BYU): Thanks for the response. Your updates look good, I've considered most of the recommendations addressed, but there are some remaining. Could you take a look on the unstruck bullet points above and act on them? HaEr48 ( talk) 04:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ HaEr48: I have gone through the four remaining recommendations listed above. The first unstruck point regarding the Quorum of the 12 was something I did add to the article in my first round of edits, but it was removed by another user. Second, I have changed the usage of the "Tongan Mission" to be capitalized as a proper noun when referring to the "Tongan Mission" on its own. However, when referring to a "Tongan mission president", this title is lowercase according to the MOS:LDS, to avoid the use of jargon regarding church leadership positions. I have edited the article's usage according to this guideline. Third, the point concerning the Golden Jubilee Celebration's time and location was also removed, but I have added the information in with a citation. Lastly, I went through the page's Mission section and added the citations that provided proper supporting evidence. I removed the information that I could not find any evidence for, despite scouring many resources. I hope that my explanation of these last edits was helpful, and please let me know if there is anything else I can do moving forward. Thank you again for your consideration! JAGrace (BYU) ( talk) 22:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ JAGrace (BYU): Thank you for the update! We're nearly there, I added a "citation needed" and a "page needed" tag. Could you take a look at them? When that's done I think we're good to go. HaEr48 ( talk) 03:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ HaEr48: I have added the citation and page number. Thanks! JAGrace (BYU) ( talk) 16:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Thanks! I'm happy to pass the review. Congratulations! HaEr48 ( talk) 19:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC) reply

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Page name

I realise this may have been simply translated from a different language wiki, but I've changed the name of the page. There is no "Mormon Church of Tonga". The Mormon Church (LDS Church) is monolithic — it merely branches out to new countries and is established in the country, but it's always established under the standard name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. No country has it's "own" Mormon Church called the "Mormon Church of XXX". There are congregations and stakes of the church, but no separate national Mormon churches. Anyway, I've changed the name of the article to reflect similar categories and articles, like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Canada and Category:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Oceania.

It occurred to me that perhaps this article was supposed to be about the pictured building; that building is the Nuku alofa Tonga Temple, which already has an article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC) reply

Difference between LDS Membership & LDS on Census Statistics

There is a contrast difference among the reported LDS membership as reported from the church and found from the 1996 census survey. For the most part, the difference comes in what the two statistics are measuring. LDS records are ALL Members on Record whether they attend or not. The 1996 Tongan census is all those who voluntarily state wheter they are members of which church. Reasons for the differences include:

1) Dissention among members that have not requested their LDS membership to be removed. The LDS church keeps membership records even when members aren’t attending. This way, the individual can choose to return to church - many times in the same standing and advancement (Membership, Temple, Priesthood) in which they left. [1] If the individual was excommunicated (which is rare [2]), requests their membership records removed, or if the records gets lost, then if the individual wants to regain full status, he/she would have to be rebaptized, and advance in the church as if they were a nonmember just joining.

2) There may be some who have moved or died that are still on record. [3]

Also sources of error that could occur through the survey.

1) Some may not want to be labeled as LDS even if they are active members - Even if the survey is only for statistical purposes.

2) The survey in Tonga was either or. Some may be members of multiple of churches, but list only one or none in the survey.

3) any other sources of error that may come from the survey.

Dmm1169 ( talk) 22:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Growth since 1996

The church does not reveal how many are active or less active, but there has been a much greater increase in stakes and wards compared to population growth since the 1996 census. The growth in number of LDS wards and stakes far surpassed Tonga's population growth. Because there is a minumum attendance, priesthood, etc for a branch to be called a ward, manytimes this becomes a better indicator when comparing the number of active members are in an area.

Dmm1169 ( talk) 22:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Even With differences, Tonga has World's Highest LDS Concentration

Even with Tonga having a significant number of those not attending, if only % of active members are taken into consideration against the population, It is probable that Tonga still has the highest LDS per capita concentration in the World. The significant difference in membership ration between Tonga & the countries 2nd or 3rd highest membership ratios are great enough to show that Tonga, by ratio its population, has more members than any other country in the world.


Dmm1169 ( talk) 22:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Original research

Unless you have a reference for the above speculations, it is WP:OR and should not be referenced in the article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ Membership, Retention on the Rise.“News of the Church,” Ensign, Jun 2007, 75–80. Church membership growth numbers are often interpreted inaccurately, which can lead to misconceptions in the media, Brother Buckner said. Therefore, it is important to clearly understand what these numbers signify. They represent the number of Church members, but they do not represent activity rates. The Church does not remove an individual’s name from its membership rolls based on inactivity.
  2. ^ Why is a Mormon Expommunicated. LDS Newsroom. 16 July 2008.
  3. ^ "Church Statistics Reflect Steady Growth". LDS Newsroom. 11 April 2007 it is a challenge for the Church to keep track of all of its members, especially if they do not regularly attend Sunday services. The Church does not remove an individual’s name from its membership rolls based on inactivity.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Tonga/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: HaEr48 ( talk · contribs) 04:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

I'll take this on. Interesting topic, will read the article in detail soon. HaEr48 ( talk) 04:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

*Preliminary feedback: As per WP:PAGENUM, please include page numbers in citations referring the Britsch (1986) book. See WP:CITEPAGE on how to do this. HaEr48 ( talk) 04:47, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Ok here goes:

Feedback on body

* “It was anticipated that copies of the new book would be prepared quickly” => who anticipated that? HaEr48 ( talk) 05:34, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

* “The king and prime minister of Tonga both “ => name the king and PM? HaEr48 ( talk) 05:34, 13 March 2017 (UTC) reply

* Why is the section heading in plural when there’s only one? HaEr48 ( talk) 04:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Feedback on lead

@ JAGrace (BYU): Thanks for the response. Your updates look good, I've considered most of the recommendations addressed, but there are some remaining. Could you take a look on the unstruck bullet points above and act on them? HaEr48 ( talk) 04:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ HaEr48: I have gone through the four remaining recommendations listed above. The first unstruck point regarding the Quorum of the 12 was something I did add to the article in my first round of edits, but it was removed by another user. Second, I have changed the usage of the "Tongan Mission" to be capitalized as a proper noun when referring to the "Tongan Mission" on its own. However, when referring to a "Tongan mission president", this title is lowercase according to the MOS:LDS, to avoid the use of jargon regarding church leadership positions. I have edited the article's usage according to this guideline. Third, the point concerning the Golden Jubilee Celebration's time and location was also removed, but I have added the information in with a citation. Lastly, I went through the page's Mission section and added the citations that provided proper supporting evidence. I removed the information that I could not find any evidence for, despite scouring many resources. I hope that my explanation of these last edits was helpful, and please let me know if there is anything else I can do moving forward. Thank you again for your consideration! JAGrace (BYU) ( talk) 22:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ JAGrace (BYU): Thank you for the update! We're nearly there, I added a "citation needed" and a "page needed" tag. Could you take a look at them? When that's done I think we're good to go. HaEr48 ( talk) 03:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC) reply
@ HaEr48: I have added the citation and page number. Thanks! JAGrace (BYU) ( talk) 16:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC) reply

Thanks! I'm happy to pass the review. Congratulations! HaEr48 ( talk) 19:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC) reply


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