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The "Note on typography" section seems somewhat silly. Although I understand the grammatical rules discussed, its much too involved for the size of this article, and is rather overly involved for such a trivial grammatical matter, I'm not particularly well-versed in Wikipedia guidelines, however, such a section does seem to be overly exacting, reduce the readability of the article, and may even confuse readers ("Roman text" is somewhat obscure). If nobody objects, I will remove it, along with the note at the top. michaelb Talk to this user 17:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This article continues to be deleted, with the editor citing the impressive sounding acronym WP:FUTFILM.
WP:FUTFILM is Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films, an article created 24 October 2007, which has only been edited by four editors.
I have added the appropriate {{essay}} tag to Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films.
Since Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films is only an essay, and editors can "Heed them or not at your own discretion." I strongly suggest the WP:FUTFILM editors, who are so eager to impose their own views by delete other editors work, put this article up for deletion and let the community decide whether it should be deleted. Thank you. Inclusionist ( talk) 06:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Can you clarify this edit summary: "this page exceeds Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films why not focus contribuign contnt?" I am not sure what you mean by "exceeds". I do enjoy working on contributing content for future films, but I am not as hard-pressed if the film is not a sure thing. Some examples of projects that have dragged their legs include Shantaram (film) and The Wheelman (film). Also, can we move past WP:FUTFILM? As it has been said, WP:NFF is the better one to cite here. WP:FUTFILM just suggests a better handling of the content. I saw your message at WT:AFD about userfying AFDs. That's the kind of thing this page suggests, but it's mostly procedural and not consensus-driven. The specific action taken would be. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 20:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
This image is not the real poster! It was made by a fan, so don't keep it on this Wikipedia article! 13:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.24.80 ( talk)
Objection your honor: Although the image was indeed snagged from a fan site, the fansite cited the image from Walden Media's own website. I checked it out, and they have a logo. You can check it out for yourself. [ [1]] -Danrvrs
This posting on a fan web site is claimed to be an excerpt from an article from The Times of Malta, sent via electronic mail to the web site by a fan who doesn't give xyr real name. I've checked the Times of Malta archives for 2007-02-02 to 2007-02-04 and can find no such article. Uncle G 13:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC) "The new and dangerous quest takes them to the farthest edge of the Eastern world on board the mighty Dawn Treader." MIGHTY? It's about the size of tha Santa Maria, afaik. 162.93.249.11 ( talk) 17:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
As it is now confirmed Peter and Susan make an appearance somehow in the film, as does the white witch, how should we add them in the article, in the cast list I am adding them as I see fit (pinning them as other), but if anybody has another suggestion then please feel free to change it. Appropriate references will be submited so you know I am not making it up =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylancraigboyes ( talk • contribs) 08:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Is the teaser trailer for The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader not released yet? (In this case, I think?) Formula 86 ( talk) 02:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Where did the last sentence in the Plot section come from? "Only an entirely uncharted journey to Aslan's Country - a voyage of destiny and transformation for each of those aboard the Dawn Treader - can save Narnia, and all the astonishing creatures in it, from an unfathomable fate." I can (barely) stomach "voyage of destiny and transformation", but "save Narnia"? "from an unfathomable fate"? -- Elphion ( talk) 20:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't seem to say one way or the other whether it was film in 3D or if it was filmed in 2D and is being converted. Does anyone know which way they're doing it? My guess is it's being converted because it was filmed last year before the "3D craze". For An Angel ( talk) 21:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC) It is being converted. Was on several news sites and fan sites.( Dylancraigboyes ( talk) 08:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC))
Is there some reason *not* to link unambiguously to (or even to mention) the trailer? --
Elphion (
talk) 16:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I have run into a little confusion with links to the book and the movie. I find it reasonable that the appellation: (film) should be added to the name of the entire page.
It would thus read: The Chronicles of Narnia : The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (film).
This would help with links, as there are two pages with the exact same name and Wikipedia is only linking to the book page.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by King Clawson ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Anon IP 162.83.111.93 wants to move Lilliandil from "Other" to "Main Protagonists" (or possibly "Narnians"). I've undone this for now, as "other" is more accurate than any of the alternatives (she's not a Narnian, and she certainly isn't a main protagonist in the books -- and I've seen nothing indicating that she will be in the film). She belongs wherever Ramandu goes, but he hasn't been listed. I really don't care where she goes, but if you move her, please keep the additional information and reference about her name. -- Elphion ( talk) 00:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I somehow doubt that Neil Young, singer-songwriter, is the one in a bit part in this film. The citation points to an IMDb page - side note: IMDb is not a reliable source; it can be changed by anyone - anyway, there are no acting credits listed on the article about Neil Young, the singer. There is no Neil Young (actor) listed in Neil Young (disambiguation). Would it be safe enough to de-link this actor, or perhaps to redlink it in the hope of a future article on someone who may or may not be notable? Elizium23 ( talk) 19:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I added the {{ Refimprove}} template to this article. Currently there are plenty of citations, but a lot of them reference some unreliable sources. Please read WP:V for Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. WP:RS explains what a reliable source is. Some examples of non-reliable sources are: Fansites, such as NarniaWeb.com; IMDb - it can be changed by anyone; blogs - not from a reputable publisher (exceptions include The Washington Post blog, etc.) Improving the article is going to take some work. We need to excise the unreliable sources and replace them with verifiable, reliable sources. This can include, in some cases, the primary source - the book and film. Therefore, when the film comes out, if someone mentions Edmund's age, then that can be used as a citation, and it should be used, especially if it should happen to contradict the book. In the absence of mentions from the film, we can use the book. Ideally, secondary sources should be used, so if a critical review in a major newspaper mentions their ages, or of course other details that are included in the article, let's prefer that review and cite it. There are several templates in the {{ Cite web}} family such as {{ Cite news}} and {{ Cite book}} that can be used to make the best citations. I have provided some examples in the article. If you choose not to manually create these templates, they can be automatically created by a bot or tool program such as Reflinks. Thanks for your time and effort improving this article. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh yes, and if anyone has a copy of the original book, or the Companion to Narnia reference by Paul F. Ford, please consult it for the character ages. They are the most contentious data points currently. Then cite the book, and remove the citations with this link to NarniaWeb. Most of the entries in the referenced NarniaWeb page were drawn from the Companion to Narnia timeline. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Recently a lot of edits have been changing the studio and distributor fields in the infobox. I do not know the whole story on this, so I can't judge whether to revert. Does anyone know how to find out the studio and distributor of a film, particularly this film, and is there a way we can cite it from a reliable source that is verifiable? If reliable sources are not given for further edits to these fields I will make reverts, right or wrong. Elizium23 ( talk) 05:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I've checked the Apple App Store and the Gameloft websites. There is no mention of an iPhone game for Dawn Treader and if it is in the works, it hasn't been released yet. However, it appears to be available on other types of phones. Someone correct this? Exohuman ( talk) 19:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed this from the "followed by" section of the infobox because there has been no announcement that this film will ever be made. Walden Media and 20th Century Fox merely hold an option to make the film, but that does not mean that they will - particularly if Dawn Treader flops. 88.104.23.145 ( talk) 10:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
the plot section is full of mis-information and grammatical errors
the Narnians subsection in the characters section includes many characters that aren't Narnian. The Dawn Treader crew listed in the Dawn Treader subsection are almost all Narnians (except the kids from this world) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 11:50, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I have amended the infobox to show that the film's final production budget was £155 million. This information is sufficiently sourced and should remain in place. The earlier reported budget of $140m was the provisional amount before the film went into production, and before they decided to convert the film to 3D which would be partly responsible for the extra costs. I have no problem if editors wish to state in the article the difference between the provisional and final budgets, but the final budget should remain in the infobox as that is what was officially spent. Furthermore, the production budget does not include marketing costs and the article should make this clear. 88.110.248.232 ( talk) 10:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Mark Johnson, a producer on all three Narnia films, told the Wall Street Journal that the new movie was made for a relatively modest $140 million.
Mr. Johnson said the new film was made on a relatively thrifty production budget of $140 million ("Prince Caspian" had a budget of more than $200 million), in part by filming mostly in one country.
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Betty Logan ( talk) 11:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
If Rotten Tomatoes is rather split on the reviews, why do the ones quoted in the article generally seem to be positive? I think that section needs more balance. John Smith's ( talk) 19:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
it says that the film is British/American, but the film was filmed on the Gold Coast, Australia. What (if any) are Wikipedia's rules for the nationality of films? The location? the nationality of the actors? or the director? or the nobody film crew? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 11:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I have just read WP:FILMCAST and I have several ideas about how to proceed with rewriting this article's cast section to comply. If there are no reasonable objections, I plan to cut out extraneous character descriptions and non-notable cast members, as well as rewrite each section into a prose paragraph, rather than the list currently presented. Feel free to discuss it here, as I wanted to achieve consensus for a substantial change. Elizium23 ( talk) 04:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it is original research to link "another name" to Jesus Christ; however, it is a fairly well-known fact that this is exactly what Lewis meant. Perhaps we can source this to Companion to Narnia or similar and leave it in? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:13, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
The "Note on typography" section seems somewhat silly. Although I understand the grammatical rules discussed, its much too involved for the size of this article, and is rather overly involved for such a trivial grammatical matter, I'm not particularly well-versed in Wikipedia guidelines, however, such a section does seem to be overly exacting, reduce the readability of the article, and may even confuse readers ("Roman text" is somewhat obscure). If nobody objects, I will remove it, along with the note at the top. michaelb Talk to this user 17:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This article continues to be deleted, with the editor citing the impressive sounding acronym WP:FUTFILM.
WP:FUTFILM is Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films, an article created 24 October 2007, which has only been edited by four editors.
I have added the appropriate {{essay}} tag to Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films.
Since Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films is only an essay, and editors can "Heed them or not at your own discretion." I strongly suggest the WP:FUTFILM editors, who are so eager to impose their own views by delete other editors work, put this article up for deletion and let the community decide whether it should be deleted. Thank you. Inclusionist ( talk) 06:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Can you clarify this edit summary: "this page exceeds Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Future films why not focus contribuign contnt?" I am not sure what you mean by "exceeds". I do enjoy working on contributing content for future films, but I am not as hard-pressed if the film is not a sure thing. Some examples of projects that have dragged their legs include Shantaram (film) and The Wheelman (film). Also, can we move past WP:FUTFILM? As it has been said, WP:NFF is the better one to cite here. WP:FUTFILM just suggests a better handling of the content. I saw your message at WT:AFD about userfying AFDs. That's the kind of thing this page suggests, but it's mostly procedural and not consensus-driven. The specific action taken would be. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 20:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
This image is not the real poster! It was made by a fan, so don't keep it on this Wikipedia article! 13:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.24.80 ( talk)
Objection your honor: Although the image was indeed snagged from a fan site, the fansite cited the image from Walden Media's own website. I checked it out, and they have a logo. You can check it out for yourself. [ [1]] -Danrvrs
This posting on a fan web site is claimed to be an excerpt from an article from The Times of Malta, sent via electronic mail to the web site by a fan who doesn't give xyr real name. I've checked the Times of Malta archives for 2007-02-02 to 2007-02-04 and can find no such article. Uncle G 13:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC) "The new and dangerous quest takes them to the farthest edge of the Eastern world on board the mighty Dawn Treader." MIGHTY? It's about the size of tha Santa Maria, afaik. 162.93.249.11 ( talk) 17:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
As it is now confirmed Peter and Susan make an appearance somehow in the film, as does the white witch, how should we add them in the article, in the cast list I am adding them as I see fit (pinning them as other), but if anybody has another suggestion then please feel free to change it. Appropriate references will be submited so you know I am not making it up =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylancraigboyes ( talk • contribs) 08:11, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Is the teaser trailer for The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader not released yet? (In this case, I think?) Formula 86 ( talk) 02:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Where did the last sentence in the Plot section come from? "Only an entirely uncharted journey to Aslan's Country - a voyage of destiny and transformation for each of those aboard the Dawn Treader - can save Narnia, and all the astonishing creatures in it, from an unfathomable fate." I can (barely) stomach "voyage of destiny and transformation", but "save Narnia"? "from an unfathomable fate"? -- Elphion ( talk) 20:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't seem to say one way or the other whether it was film in 3D or if it was filmed in 2D and is being converted. Does anyone know which way they're doing it? My guess is it's being converted because it was filmed last year before the "3D craze". For An Angel ( talk) 21:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC) It is being converted. Was on several news sites and fan sites.( Dylancraigboyes ( talk) 08:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC))
Is there some reason *not* to link unambiguously to (or even to mention) the trailer? --
Elphion (
talk) 16:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I have run into a little confusion with links to the book and the movie. I find it reasonable that the appellation: (film) should be added to the name of the entire page.
It would thus read: The Chronicles of Narnia : The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (film).
This would help with links, as there are two pages with the exact same name and Wikipedia is only linking to the book page.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by King Clawson ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Anon IP 162.83.111.93 wants to move Lilliandil from "Other" to "Main Protagonists" (or possibly "Narnians"). I've undone this for now, as "other" is more accurate than any of the alternatives (she's not a Narnian, and she certainly isn't a main protagonist in the books -- and I've seen nothing indicating that she will be in the film). She belongs wherever Ramandu goes, but he hasn't been listed. I really don't care where she goes, but if you move her, please keep the additional information and reference about her name. -- Elphion ( talk) 00:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I somehow doubt that Neil Young, singer-songwriter, is the one in a bit part in this film. The citation points to an IMDb page - side note: IMDb is not a reliable source; it can be changed by anyone - anyway, there are no acting credits listed on the article about Neil Young, the singer. There is no Neil Young (actor) listed in Neil Young (disambiguation). Would it be safe enough to de-link this actor, or perhaps to redlink it in the hope of a future article on someone who may or may not be notable? Elizium23 ( talk) 19:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I added the {{ Refimprove}} template to this article. Currently there are plenty of citations, but a lot of them reference some unreliable sources. Please read WP:V for Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. WP:RS explains what a reliable source is. Some examples of non-reliable sources are: Fansites, such as NarniaWeb.com; IMDb - it can be changed by anyone; blogs - not from a reputable publisher (exceptions include The Washington Post blog, etc.) Improving the article is going to take some work. We need to excise the unreliable sources and replace them with verifiable, reliable sources. This can include, in some cases, the primary source - the book and film. Therefore, when the film comes out, if someone mentions Edmund's age, then that can be used as a citation, and it should be used, especially if it should happen to contradict the book. In the absence of mentions from the film, we can use the book. Ideally, secondary sources should be used, so if a critical review in a major newspaper mentions their ages, or of course other details that are included in the article, let's prefer that review and cite it. There are several templates in the {{ Cite web}} family such as {{ Cite news}} and {{ Cite book}} that can be used to make the best citations. I have provided some examples in the article. If you choose not to manually create these templates, they can be automatically created by a bot or tool program such as Reflinks. Thanks for your time and effort improving this article. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh yes, and if anyone has a copy of the original book, or the Companion to Narnia reference by Paul F. Ford, please consult it for the character ages. They are the most contentious data points currently. Then cite the book, and remove the citations with this link to NarniaWeb. Most of the entries in the referenced NarniaWeb page were drawn from the Companion to Narnia timeline. Elizium23 ( talk) 03:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Recently a lot of edits have been changing the studio and distributor fields in the infobox. I do not know the whole story on this, so I can't judge whether to revert. Does anyone know how to find out the studio and distributor of a film, particularly this film, and is there a way we can cite it from a reliable source that is verifiable? If reliable sources are not given for further edits to these fields I will make reverts, right or wrong. Elizium23 ( talk) 05:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I've checked the Apple App Store and the Gameloft websites. There is no mention of an iPhone game for Dawn Treader and if it is in the works, it hasn't been released yet. However, it appears to be available on other types of phones. Someone correct this? Exohuman ( talk) 19:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed this from the "followed by" section of the infobox because there has been no announcement that this film will ever be made. Walden Media and 20th Century Fox merely hold an option to make the film, but that does not mean that they will - particularly if Dawn Treader flops. 88.104.23.145 ( talk) 10:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
the plot section is full of mis-information and grammatical errors
the Narnians subsection in the characters section includes many characters that aren't Narnian. The Dawn Treader crew listed in the Dawn Treader subsection are almost all Narnians (except the kids from this world) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 11:50, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I have amended the infobox to show that the film's final production budget was £155 million. This information is sufficiently sourced and should remain in place. The earlier reported budget of $140m was the provisional amount before the film went into production, and before they decided to convert the film to 3D which would be partly responsible for the extra costs. I have no problem if editors wish to state in the article the difference between the provisional and final budgets, but the final budget should remain in the infobox as that is what was officially spent. Furthermore, the production budget does not include marketing costs and the article should make this clear. 88.110.248.232 ( talk) 10:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Mark Johnson, a producer on all three Narnia films, told the Wall Street Journal that the new movie was made for a relatively modest $140 million.
Mr. Johnson said the new film was made on a relatively thrifty production budget of $140 million ("Prince Caspian" had a budget of more than $200 million), in part by filming mostly in one country.
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Betty Logan ( talk) 11:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
If Rotten Tomatoes is rather split on the reviews, why do the ones quoted in the article generally seem to be positive? I think that section needs more balance. John Smith's ( talk) 19:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
it says that the film is British/American, but the film was filmed on the Gold Coast, Australia. What (if any) are Wikipedia's rules for the nationality of films? The location? the nationality of the actors? or the director? or the nobody film crew? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 11:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I have just read WP:FILMCAST and I have several ideas about how to proceed with rewriting this article's cast section to comply. If there are no reasonable objections, I plan to cut out extraneous character descriptions and non-notable cast members, as well as rewrite each section into a prose paragraph, rather than the list currently presented. Feel free to discuss it here, as I wanted to achieve consensus for a substantial change. Elizium23 ( talk) 04:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it is original research to link "another name" to Jesus Christ; however, it is a fairly well-known fact that this is exactly what Lewis meant. Perhaps we can source this to Companion to Narnia or similar and leave it in? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:13, 13 May 2011 (UTC)