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I see no other mention of the US Army version of the story when I Google for it. If this is apocryphal, I suggest it be removed. Jonathan Grynspan 01:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
been previously realized.
This story is featured in the book "Mysterious New England", by Edward Rowe Snow. It is certianly written in a way that suggests that is is apocryphal, and includes fanciful descriptions of details know one could possibly know. (It describes the night in which the officer is entombed as "moonless"). Still this is so closely associated with the tale that I second the motion that this story be included in the article, skepticism included.
Yep: I go with that. There's certainly plenty of solid evidence for the existence of the story and Poe's inspiration by it. Tearlach 00:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
The inspiration for "The Cask of Amontillado" allegedly came from a story Poe had heard at Fort Independence when he was a private there in 1827, though this cannot be confirmed.[citation needed]
Poe was fascinated with the inscriptions on a gravestone within the fort, specifically one marking the grave of Robert F. Massie. Poe learned that in 1817 Massie came to Fort Independence and became friends with many of the men; however, there was one officer, Captain Drane, who disliked him. Drane was the fort bully and was known as a dangerous swordsman.
Few officers were allowed to leave for Christmas, so on Christmas Eve, the officers left at the fort were playing cards. At the height of the card game, Captain Drane became angry and accused Massie of cheating. He started a duel and Drane, being the excellent swordsman that he was, ran Massie through. Massie died the next day.
Years later, a few officers decided to take a horrible revenge on Drane for Massie's death. They visited Drane one night, faking a friendly visit and got him drunk. Then, they carried the captain down to an ancient dungeon and forced his body into a small opening which led into the subterranean casemate in which they sealed Drane in with bricks and mortar. According to one account, Drane sobered up during the sealing, and unsuccessfully pleaded for mercy.[citation needed]
Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849) was once asked where he got most of his material for his works. His reply: "From the newspapers" ----giving much credence to the idea that truth is more often stranger than any fiction. Early newspaper editors during Poe's lifetime often went far beyond the facts of the stories very often providing details of crimes rarely mentioned in lead stories today. Writers very often look for the "seed germ" for a story and build the plot around that seed. The seed for the story compared with the final masterpiece merits just that----the seed. The skill and creativity of the work surpass any background material used for the story----the final piece, as "The Cask of Amontillado," exists arguably as the finest short story ever written in the English language. As a noted critic said decades ago about the story, "Every word gives added twist to the irony of the initial situation." Compact, carefully delineated, markedly diabolical, syntactically perfect, and strangely foreboding, the tale wound a path to certain death for a very unfortunate antagonist. The crowning irony of the story resided in the fact that the cask of amontillado never existed----the ruse fooled the intoxicated Fortunato who even despite being a member of the Masonic Lodge, was deprived of life, liberty, property, clergy, and a Masonic burial. His last words were, "For the love of God, Montresor!"
"THE CASK OF AMONTILLADO" --------Poe's Perfect Crime
Montresor, the protagonist, committed the perfect crime of murder upon his antagonist, Fortunato. All of the typical pieces of evidence of a crime were rendered non-existent. There was no single eye witness, no murder weapon, no body, no blood, no scream escaped the catacombs, and no chance of discovering the body. In addition, no motive could be established, nor any opportunity could be dedeuced. Montresor waited 50 years to tell the story at which time there would be no worry of conviction.
Added a lil trivia
No, it is NOT part of the story. I've re-read it, and could not find it anywere. I do believe it was vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.159.147.61 ( talk) 22:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed this text, which I couldn't make sense of:
"and the man once said "most people love with their heart,well to me i think we should love with our minds so we dont fall apart!" and everyone toasted to that..and then he went away to his home."
Was this part of another sentence that made sense somewhere else? If this is something useful, feel free to revert my changes.
Bullet please. 100110100 03:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I've read somewhere that the narrator (montressor) is in the process of receiving his final rites. The story is a confession, to clean his soul before he dies. In the versions I've read, there are two lines that are italicized: "For the Love of God Montressor!" and "In pace requiescat." Montressor's motives behind his confession change when the italicized words are read as the voice of a priest (listening to Montressor's confession) rather than Fortunado. "For the Love of God, Montressor!" may have been the last words of Fortunado OR it could have been the voice of the priest expressing his horror at Montressor's confession. "In pace requiescat" could be Montressor's words to Fortunado OR it could be the priest's words to Montressor when he dies.
It's very speculative anyway. It's a nice idea, but not WikiPedia-worthy. Midnightdreary 05:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
We have an article on Nemo me impune lacessit. Should it not be mentioned in the article here? -- Mais oui! 08:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
The Works Influenced section has gotten a bit long. I'm thinking a massive edit is needed, converting the narratives to much more succinct bullet points. Any thoughts? Midnightdreary 05:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's the thing with the analysis. To avoid accusations of original research, every other sentence should have an in-line citation, referencing as many sources as possible. The large block quotes (which, I would argue, are unnecessary and should be paraphrased) should definitely be followed with an in-line citation. I'll wait on B9 hummingbird hovering, because these are your additions, it should be up to you to start adding citations. How many sources are you using, by the way? -- Midnightdreary 01:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It is set in Italy, but the time is unknown. You can't just assume that the story is set in the 1800s because that is the time it was written or published. I think an unkonwn time, or something along those lines would fit better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.98.113 ( talk) 02:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Could it be that Montresor's arms show a scene from the Bible? It's in the story of Adam & Eve's expulsion from the Garden of Eden when God says to the snake "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (1 Mose 3, 15 New International Version) Maybe Poe was influenced by that scene; at least I've never encountered these arms anywhere else. ViennaUK ( talk) 17:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a source for this yet, but my understanding of the story in relation to theme is not that it speaks out against drunkenness, but instead speaks out against revenge, showing the evil caused by Montresor's insanity and obsession. Has anyone else heard it this way? Does anyone have a source relating to this? Comments? JoeyETS ( talk) 05:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I have always thought that there is a clue in the name Fortunato - that it stands for - fortune - that Poe bitterly regretted the tragedies in his life, and created the story to represent how he would deal with "fortune" if he were to discover it embodied in a person. "The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had borne as best I could....etc. Montressor has a cough; Poe saw his loved ones die of consumption. It seems to illustrate his —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.10.67 ( talk) 20:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I believe that Montresor's family motto was probably borrowed from the British 42nd Highland Regiment, on whose cap badge it appears 150.231.246.1 ( talk) 15:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Wm. Snyder snydhack@yahoo.com
The word "Montressor" is not used anywhere in the article, yet it redirects here. You should either explain the term or delete the redirect. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 04:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Listen, I've read quite a bit of your stuff related to "The Casque" and you seem to be very on top of things. However, how you can support the theory that "Montresor's motive for murder is uncertain other than the vague "many injuries" to which he refers", I have no clue. The entire first paragraph in the story gives more the a simple explanation as to why Montresor has decided to do away with Fortunato. "The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had born as best I could." That's "thousand" not "many" as you quote. And then to not give more credit to the guy who suggested the theory that Montresor was giving a confession, when within the next few lines Montresor the unarguable narrator of the story utters " You, who so well know the nature of my soul, will not suppose, however, that I gave utterance of a threat." To whom do you suggest he is talking to? God, a priest, or do you offer that it is the reader with whom Montresor relays his story? Then to give credit to the arbitrary and rather complacent theory that Montresor must be insane to have committed this murder is, for lack of a better word, a cop-out, especially when you consider the context of date and time within which the story was written, 1846 a period in time when insults were grounds for duels and death. Consider for a moment that in our own country (assuming that you live in the States) Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr dueled to the death not 42 years prior. Is it then so hard to consider that insult alone was motive? I think not.
Right, so there you have it. Cheers, and have a great weekend!
Alex Marvel University of Alaska —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogwoodflowers ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
"Though Fortunato is presented as a connoisseur of fine wine, his actions in the story make it questionable. For example, he becomes so drunk he would be unable to identify the Amontillado and treats De Grave, an expensive French wine, with very little regard by drinking it in a single gulp"
Why is it questionable? Connossieur doesn't always mean snob. Fortunado seemed the glutton to me in the story. Plus, it's also possible even a snob who has access to all the best wines might dipose of them in such a gulping fashion to prove the reverence belongs to his person, and not the wine. Perhaps it would be better to toss in a qualifier: "...some find his actions in the story questionable." That way it doesn't sound so, well, snobby. 24.163.127.19 ( talk) 09:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC) DEL
I removed this from the article:
First off, this is original research. Second, the italics are far more likely to be for the obvious reasons: Fortunato is speaking in italics because he's shouting, and "In pace requiescat" is in italics because it's in a foreign language, both of which are very common conventions. Moreover, the italics may have been added by somebody other than Poe (it wasn't exactly typical for writers to typeset their own documents in those days). It sounds to me that this priest theory is grasping at straws. It may be what Poe had in mind, but it doesn't seem likely enough to warrant inclusion. - furrykef ( Talk at me) 07:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
What is the signifigance of Montresor dropping the burning torch through the gap?
That's subject to debate. I, for one, don't have a solid answer. --
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Could be simply that Montresor wanted to expedite Fortunato's demise by throwing in the torch to deplete the breathable air. That's the only significance I've ever been able to come up for it. 71.75.195.12 ( talk) 18:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
The narrator's name is usually given as "Montresor" (with a single s). In one instance in the tale's first publication in Godey's, towards the end, it is spelled "Montressor" (with a double s). As the single s version is more often used in the tale, in its future printings, and in all other discussions in scholarship, criticism, etc., this article should use the spelling Montresor (as it currently does). -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 00:33, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Right now this article looks pretty solid to me, although I'm no expert. Perhaps it should be considered for promotion to B-Class or even A-Class. Since I don't know how to do that myself, could someone who does know that make the nomination? 67.71.2.203 ( talk) 12:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I would be interested in reading something as to how well the story sold originally, and its critical reviews, if any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.125.102 ( talk) 02:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I plan on revising the plot summary of the story to make it more complete and accurate since there are holes in the plot summary as well as misinformation. There is also misinformation in the “analysis” section; I will correct this information and cite accordingly. User talk:Ejenn2 Ejenn2 ( talk) 02:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
I am interested in the idea mentioned in the previous analysis about the the idea of 'detection' in this work. Also, does anyone else agree that there is a split in Montressor's persona? RutgersUniversityStudentEdit ( talk) 21:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
"The Torch"...
In the Wiki summary, The main point of Montresor's plan of revenge seems to have been missed. Early in the story, you will read about Montresor looking forward to Fortunato's "immolation" (fiery death). Then later during the trek through the crypt, in search of the non-existent cask, you will see reference to "nitre" formed on the walls. As the story reaches it's climax at the end, there is an abundance of "nitre" in the niche where Montresor walls in Fortunato.
Nitre is an archaic word for a volatile substance used in the making of black powder, also known as saltpeter. It is a naturally occurring nitrate. It is very flammable. It forms in damp places where decay is present. A white crystalline substance often found in manure piles in minute quantities.
In the final moments, Montresor thrusts the lit torch through the hole just before he fills it in with the last brick. The torch ignites the saltpeter (nitre) covering the walls and floor of the niche. Fortunato dies in a superheated fire in a confined space.
When this happens, the lungs are completely cooked at the instant the superheated gasses are inhaled involuntarily, rendering the victim unable to even scream in agony in their final moments. When considered, this adds an even more grisly and horrific aspect to an already macabre tale. And hence, his utter and complete "immolation" for having offended Montresor..... --Nitrejack 00:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC) Nitrejack ( talk)
I wouldn't call it work. However subtle, these two things, the "immolation" and the "nitre" were plainly written in Poe's story..
http://poestories.com/read/amontillado << If you read the story here, you will see the things I have mentioned clearly highlighted to call attention to them for the reader.
It is what it is. No opinion can change the natural laws of science and physics. When flame is applied to raw saltpeter, a very hot very instantaneous combustion occurs. When said combustion occurs in a confined space, the heat and pressure are amplified exponentially. Simple physics. the very same laws of physics that gave us the internal combustion engine. It is not my work or my opinion. These facts are public knowledge available to anyone. It has been said. It matters not if it is accepted. I was not the first to see this, I am sure. Many people much wiser than I have read this story since it was written.
ALso When Montressor calls forth aresponce from Fortunato all he hears is the bells on the cap ringing...I think Pow ment to warn his readers the Death Knell {Bells{ when a person has passed away....Fortinato has died from fear? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.138.244 ( talk) 04:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Inside of the inspiration box there is a legend which is equal to saying he say she say as to where Edgar Allen Poe would get his inspiration for the story named "The Cask of Amontillado". The legend claiming he had ained ispiration at Castle Island does not seem reliable and should not be inthe text. A legend can mislead readers which will cause confusion as to whether it is true, and when you read further it claims that the statue that tells the tale of a man being chained to a wall and sealed in a vault is false. Which makes the legend less reliable, contradicting its own self, this will make the legend being in the text pointless. Rlync3 ( talk) 19:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)Rem
Edgar Allan Poe's short story "The Cask of Amontillado" has an irony theme where Montresor foreshadows or somewhat mocks Fortunato of what may come for him in the future. Poe would uses irony throughout the story when he let the protagonist and the antagonist have a toast. Montresor says "And I, Fortunato, I drink to your long life." Montresor uses the irony as a sense of humor before he buries Fortunato alive. Rlync3 ( talk) 01:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
I am adding a character section to the article : Montresor- The narrator of the story who has laid out a plan to kill Fortunato for the amount of pain he has caused Montresor for a long period of time. Comes from a wealthy respected family and has pride in his family name.
Fortunato- A wine lover who has been causing harm to the narrator. Unaware of what the narrator is up to and under the impression that both of them are friends. Rlync3 ( talk) 10:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Adding section with examples of poe using the burial while alive in other works Burial while alive in other Poe works "The Fall of the House of Usher" "The Premature Burial" "The Black Cat" "Berenice" Rlync3 ( talk) 10:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I cleaned that up by removing the redundant "while alive in other [Poe] works". -- Gltackett ( talk) 16:07, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
The word "boot" appears three times in reference to the Montresors coat of arms within a few sentences in the Analysis section ("It is with this converging of the two characters that one is able to see the larger symbolism of the Montresor crest – the boot steps on the serpent while the serpent forever has his fangs imbedded in the boot heel. Upon further investigation into the true nature of character, double meaning can be derived from the Montresor crest. It is the position of Montresor to view himself as the owner of the righteous boot that is crushing the insolent Fortunato serpent and his "thousand injuries" that progress into insult.")
However, in the story (and in the plot synopsis on the page) it is clearly described as a human foot, not a boot, twice ("A huge human foot d’or, in a field azure; the foot crushes a serpent rampant whose fangs are imbedded in the heel."). Indeed, the word "boot" is not even used in the entire story.
There is a very big difference between a boot and a foot. However, I have not looked at the sources used in that section as I do not have access to the sites/books used, and if they say boot I suppose it should be kept to accurately reflect the source. But seeing as how Poe uses "foot", the sources should be checked to make sure that they don't use the correct word of "foot". If they do, it should be changed. 82.203.24.1 ( talk) 15:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
The motto of family Montresor,"Nemo me impune lacessit", is the traditional motto of Scotland. Except for an "r" "Montresor" is an anagram of "Montrose". This was the noble title of the scottish house Graham. The then lord Montrose did as conservative minister of interior persecute the exiled italian patriot Mazzini in Poes days. That made "to grahamize"= opening others post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.198.216.242 ( talk) 11:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The article currently uses both "Luchesi" (in the plot summary) and "Luchresi" (in the adaptations section). Quoting from wikisource's talk page:
There's an oddity about the name of the unseen third character. I've seen some sources give "Luchesi", and other sources give "Luchresi". I believe the version I read in high school had "Luchresi" (my teacher pronounced the 'r' in any case), but the MP3 dramatization (linked to from Wikipedia) pronounces the name as "Luchesi". If you google for the story, you'll come across both versions; "Luchesi" seems more common. But which way did Poe originally write it? - furrykef 11:37, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- My copy of the complete works states it as "Luchesi", this edition published in 1985. I'm not sure how to best verify it 100%, but if I were to put money on it I'd probably go for "Luchesi" over "Luchresi". BenM 08:03, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I would note that Luchresi is Poe's original usage; like the names Fortunato and Montresor, it reflects a material world value (Luchresi from lucre, money, root of lucrative). I don't know why or how or when it was changed to Luchesi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.135.103.8 ( talk) 16:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- According to the Edgar Allan Poe Society, which examines the original source texts, "Luchresi" was the original name in the 1846 Godey's publication. By its reprinting in 1850 (under Griswold), it was changed to "Lucresi", likely by the author himself. It's an interesting note; I never knew of this discrepancy. -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 23:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
The distinction is shown in the Poe Society comparative text page, but they don't elaborate on it. I'm not sure if this is a good enough source, but I do think this should at least be mentioned in the article (probably as a footnote on the first use, or maybe in the "publication history" section). -- Pokechu22 ( talk) 06:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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I see no other mention of the US Army version of the story when I Google for it. If this is apocryphal, I suggest it be removed. Jonathan Grynspan 01:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
been previously realized.
This story is featured in the book "Mysterious New England", by Edward Rowe Snow. It is certianly written in a way that suggests that is is apocryphal, and includes fanciful descriptions of details know one could possibly know. (It describes the night in which the officer is entombed as "moonless"). Still this is so closely associated with the tale that I second the motion that this story be included in the article, skepticism included.
Yep: I go with that. There's certainly plenty of solid evidence for the existence of the story and Poe's inspiration by it. Tearlach 00:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
The inspiration for "The Cask of Amontillado" allegedly came from a story Poe had heard at Fort Independence when he was a private there in 1827, though this cannot be confirmed.[citation needed]
Poe was fascinated with the inscriptions on a gravestone within the fort, specifically one marking the grave of Robert F. Massie. Poe learned that in 1817 Massie came to Fort Independence and became friends with many of the men; however, there was one officer, Captain Drane, who disliked him. Drane was the fort bully and was known as a dangerous swordsman.
Few officers were allowed to leave for Christmas, so on Christmas Eve, the officers left at the fort were playing cards. At the height of the card game, Captain Drane became angry and accused Massie of cheating. He started a duel and Drane, being the excellent swordsman that he was, ran Massie through. Massie died the next day.
Years later, a few officers decided to take a horrible revenge on Drane for Massie's death. They visited Drane one night, faking a friendly visit and got him drunk. Then, they carried the captain down to an ancient dungeon and forced his body into a small opening which led into the subterranean casemate in which they sealed Drane in with bricks and mortar. According to one account, Drane sobered up during the sealing, and unsuccessfully pleaded for mercy.[citation needed]
Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849) was once asked where he got most of his material for his works. His reply: "From the newspapers" ----giving much credence to the idea that truth is more often stranger than any fiction. Early newspaper editors during Poe's lifetime often went far beyond the facts of the stories very often providing details of crimes rarely mentioned in lead stories today. Writers very often look for the "seed germ" for a story and build the plot around that seed. The seed for the story compared with the final masterpiece merits just that----the seed. The skill and creativity of the work surpass any background material used for the story----the final piece, as "The Cask of Amontillado," exists arguably as the finest short story ever written in the English language. As a noted critic said decades ago about the story, "Every word gives added twist to the irony of the initial situation." Compact, carefully delineated, markedly diabolical, syntactically perfect, and strangely foreboding, the tale wound a path to certain death for a very unfortunate antagonist. The crowning irony of the story resided in the fact that the cask of amontillado never existed----the ruse fooled the intoxicated Fortunato who even despite being a member of the Masonic Lodge, was deprived of life, liberty, property, clergy, and a Masonic burial. His last words were, "For the love of God, Montresor!"
"THE CASK OF AMONTILLADO" --------Poe's Perfect Crime
Montresor, the protagonist, committed the perfect crime of murder upon his antagonist, Fortunato. All of the typical pieces of evidence of a crime were rendered non-existent. There was no single eye witness, no murder weapon, no body, no blood, no scream escaped the catacombs, and no chance of discovering the body. In addition, no motive could be established, nor any opportunity could be dedeuced. Montresor waited 50 years to tell the story at which time there would be no worry of conviction.
Added a lil trivia
No, it is NOT part of the story. I've re-read it, and could not find it anywere. I do believe it was vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.159.147.61 ( talk) 22:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed this text, which I couldn't make sense of:
"and the man once said "most people love with their heart,well to me i think we should love with our minds so we dont fall apart!" and everyone toasted to that..and then he went away to his home."
Was this part of another sentence that made sense somewhere else? If this is something useful, feel free to revert my changes.
Bullet please. 100110100 03:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I've read somewhere that the narrator (montressor) is in the process of receiving his final rites. The story is a confession, to clean his soul before he dies. In the versions I've read, there are two lines that are italicized: "For the Love of God Montressor!" and "In pace requiescat." Montressor's motives behind his confession change when the italicized words are read as the voice of a priest (listening to Montressor's confession) rather than Fortunado. "For the Love of God, Montressor!" may have been the last words of Fortunado OR it could have been the voice of the priest expressing his horror at Montressor's confession. "In pace requiescat" could be Montressor's words to Fortunado OR it could be the priest's words to Montressor when he dies.
It's very speculative anyway. It's a nice idea, but not WikiPedia-worthy. Midnightdreary 05:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
We have an article on Nemo me impune lacessit. Should it not be mentioned in the article here? -- Mais oui! 08:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
The Works Influenced section has gotten a bit long. I'm thinking a massive edit is needed, converting the narratives to much more succinct bullet points. Any thoughts? Midnightdreary 05:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's the thing with the analysis. To avoid accusations of original research, every other sentence should have an in-line citation, referencing as many sources as possible. The large block quotes (which, I would argue, are unnecessary and should be paraphrased) should definitely be followed with an in-line citation. I'll wait on B9 hummingbird hovering, because these are your additions, it should be up to you to start adding citations. How many sources are you using, by the way? -- Midnightdreary 01:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It is set in Italy, but the time is unknown. You can't just assume that the story is set in the 1800s because that is the time it was written or published. I think an unkonwn time, or something along those lines would fit better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.98.113 ( talk) 02:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Could it be that Montresor's arms show a scene from the Bible? It's in the story of Adam & Eve's expulsion from the Garden of Eden when God says to the snake "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (1 Mose 3, 15 New International Version) Maybe Poe was influenced by that scene; at least I've never encountered these arms anywhere else. ViennaUK ( talk) 17:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a source for this yet, but my understanding of the story in relation to theme is not that it speaks out against drunkenness, but instead speaks out against revenge, showing the evil caused by Montresor's insanity and obsession. Has anyone else heard it this way? Does anyone have a source relating to this? Comments? JoeyETS ( talk) 05:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I have always thought that there is a clue in the name Fortunato - that it stands for - fortune - that Poe bitterly regretted the tragedies in his life, and created the story to represent how he would deal with "fortune" if he were to discover it embodied in a person. "The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had borne as best I could....etc. Montressor has a cough; Poe saw his loved ones die of consumption. It seems to illustrate his —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.10.67 ( talk) 20:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I believe that Montresor's family motto was probably borrowed from the British 42nd Highland Regiment, on whose cap badge it appears 150.231.246.1 ( talk) 15:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Wm. Snyder snydhack@yahoo.com
The word "Montressor" is not used anywhere in the article, yet it redirects here. You should either explain the term or delete the redirect. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 04:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Listen, I've read quite a bit of your stuff related to "The Casque" and you seem to be very on top of things. However, how you can support the theory that "Montresor's motive for murder is uncertain other than the vague "many injuries" to which he refers", I have no clue. The entire first paragraph in the story gives more the a simple explanation as to why Montresor has decided to do away with Fortunato. "The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had born as best I could." That's "thousand" not "many" as you quote. And then to not give more credit to the guy who suggested the theory that Montresor was giving a confession, when within the next few lines Montresor the unarguable narrator of the story utters " You, who so well know the nature of my soul, will not suppose, however, that I gave utterance of a threat." To whom do you suggest he is talking to? God, a priest, or do you offer that it is the reader with whom Montresor relays his story? Then to give credit to the arbitrary and rather complacent theory that Montresor must be insane to have committed this murder is, for lack of a better word, a cop-out, especially when you consider the context of date and time within which the story was written, 1846 a period in time when insults were grounds for duels and death. Consider for a moment that in our own country (assuming that you live in the States) Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr dueled to the death not 42 years prior. Is it then so hard to consider that insult alone was motive? I think not.
Right, so there you have it. Cheers, and have a great weekend!
Alex Marvel University of Alaska —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogwoodflowers ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
"Though Fortunato is presented as a connoisseur of fine wine, his actions in the story make it questionable. For example, he becomes so drunk he would be unable to identify the Amontillado and treats De Grave, an expensive French wine, with very little regard by drinking it in a single gulp"
Why is it questionable? Connossieur doesn't always mean snob. Fortunado seemed the glutton to me in the story. Plus, it's also possible even a snob who has access to all the best wines might dipose of them in such a gulping fashion to prove the reverence belongs to his person, and not the wine. Perhaps it would be better to toss in a qualifier: "...some find his actions in the story questionable." That way it doesn't sound so, well, snobby. 24.163.127.19 ( talk) 09:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC) DEL
I removed this from the article:
First off, this is original research. Second, the italics are far more likely to be for the obvious reasons: Fortunato is speaking in italics because he's shouting, and "In pace requiescat" is in italics because it's in a foreign language, both of which are very common conventions. Moreover, the italics may have been added by somebody other than Poe (it wasn't exactly typical for writers to typeset their own documents in those days). It sounds to me that this priest theory is grasping at straws. It may be what Poe had in mind, but it doesn't seem likely enough to warrant inclusion. - furrykef ( Talk at me) 07:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
What is the signifigance of Montresor dropping the burning torch through the gap?
That's subject to debate. I, for one, don't have a solid answer. --
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Could be simply that Montresor wanted to expedite Fortunato's demise by throwing in the torch to deplete the breathable air. That's the only significance I've ever been able to come up for it. 71.75.195.12 ( talk) 18:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
The narrator's name is usually given as "Montresor" (with a single s). In one instance in the tale's first publication in Godey's, towards the end, it is spelled "Montressor" (with a double s). As the single s version is more often used in the tale, in its future printings, and in all other discussions in scholarship, criticism, etc., this article should use the spelling Montresor (as it currently does). -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 00:33, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Right now this article looks pretty solid to me, although I'm no expert. Perhaps it should be considered for promotion to B-Class or even A-Class. Since I don't know how to do that myself, could someone who does know that make the nomination? 67.71.2.203 ( talk) 12:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
I would be interested in reading something as to how well the story sold originally, and its critical reviews, if any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.125.102 ( talk) 02:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I plan on revising the plot summary of the story to make it more complete and accurate since there are holes in the plot summary as well as misinformation. There is also misinformation in the “analysis” section; I will correct this information and cite accordingly. User talk:Ejenn2 Ejenn2 ( talk) 02:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
I am interested in the idea mentioned in the previous analysis about the the idea of 'detection' in this work. Also, does anyone else agree that there is a split in Montressor's persona? RutgersUniversityStudentEdit ( talk) 21:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
"The Torch"...
In the Wiki summary, The main point of Montresor's plan of revenge seems to have been missed. Early in the story, you will read about Montresor looking forward to Fortunato's "immolation" (fiery death). Then later during the trek through the crypt, in search of the non-existent cask, you will see reference to "nitre" formed on the walls. As the story reaches it's climax at the end, there is an abundance of "nitre" in the niche where Montresor walls in Fortunato.
Nitre is an archaic word for a volatile substance used in the making of black powder, also known as saltpeter. It is a naturally occurring nitrate. It is very flammable. It forms in damp places where decay is present. A white crystalline substance often found in manure piles in minute quantities.
In the final moments, Montresor thrusts the lit torch through the hole just before he fills it in with the last brick. The torch ignites the saltpeter (nitre) covering the walls and floor of the niche. Fortunato dies in a superheated fire in a confined space.
When this happens, the lungs are completely cooked at the instant the superheated gasses are inhaled involuntarily, rendering the victim unable to even scream in agony in their final moments. When considered, this adds an even more grisly and horrific aspect to an already macabre tale. And hence, his utter and complete "immolation" for having offended Montresor..... --Nitrejack 00:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC) Nitrejack ( talk)
I wouldn't call it work. However subtle, these two things, the "immolation" and the "nitre" were plainly written in Poe's story..
http://poestories.com/read/amontillado << If you read the story here, you will see the things I have mentioned clearly highlighted to call attention to them for the reader.
It is what it is. No opinion can change the natural laws of science and physics. When flame is applied to raw saltpeter, a very hot very instantaneous combustion occurs. When said combustion occurs in a confined space, the heat and pressure are amplified exponentially. Simple physics. the very same laws of physics that gave us the internal combustion engine. It is not my work or my opinion. These facts are public knowledge available to anyone. It has been said. It matters not if it is accepted. I was not the first to see this, I am sure. Many people much wiser than I have read this story since it was written.
ALso When Montressor calls forth aresponce from Fortunato all he hears is the bells on the cap ringing...I think Pow ment to warn his readers the Death Knell {Bells{ when a person has passed away....Fortinato has died from fear? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.138.244 ( talk) 04:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Inside of the inspiration box there is a legend which is equal to saying he say she say as to where Edgar Allen Poe would get his inspiration for the story named "The Cask of Amontillado". The legend claiming he had ained ispiration at Castle Island does not seem reliable and should not be inthe text. A legend can mislead readers which will cause confusion as to whether it is true, and when you read further it claims that the statue that tells the tale of a man being chained to a wall and sealed in a vault is false. Which makes the legend less reliable, contradicting its own self, this will make the legend being in the text pointless. Rlync3 ( talk) 19:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)Rem
Edgar Allan Poe's short story "The Cask of Amontillado" has an irony theme where Montresor foreshadows or somewhat mocks Fortunato of what may come for him in the future. Poe would uses irony throughout the story when he let the protagonist and the antagonist have a toast. Montresor says "And I, Fortunato, I drink to your long life." Montresor uses the irony as a sense of humor before he buries Fortunato alive. Rlync3 ( talk) 01:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
I am adding a character section to the article : Montresor- The narrator of the story who has laid out a plan to kill Fortunato for the amount of pain he has caused Montresor for a long period of time. Comes from a wealthy respected family and has pride in his family name.
Fortunato- A wine lover who has been causing harm to the narrator. Unaware of what the narrator is up to and under the impression that both of them are friends. Rlync3 ( talk) 10:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Adding section with examples of poe using the burial while alive in other works Burial while alive in other Poe works "The Fall of the House of Usher" "The Premature Burial" "The Black Cat" "Berenice" Rlync3 ( talk) 10:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I cleaned that up by removing the redundant "while alive in other [Poe] works". -- Gltackett ( talk) 16:07, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
The word "boot" appears three times in reference to the Montresors coat of arms within a few sentences in the Analysis section ("It is with this converging of the two characters that one is able to see the larger symbolism of the Montresor crest – the boot steps on the serpent while the serpent forever has his fangs imbedded in the boot heel. Upon further investigation into the true nature of character, double meaning can be derived from the Montresor crest. It is the position of Montresor to view himself as the owner of the righteous boot that is crushing the insolent Fortunato serpent and his "thousand injuries" that progress into insult.")
However, in the story (and in the plot synopsis on the page) it is clearly described as a human foot, not a boot, twice ("A huge human foot d’or, in a field azure; the foot crushes a serpent rampant whose fangs are imbedded in the heel."). Indeed, the word "boot" is not even used in the entire story.
There is a very big difference between a boot and a foot. However, I have not looked at the sources used in that section as I do not have access to the sites/books used, and if they say boot I suppose it should be kept to accurately reflect the source. But seeing as how Poe uses "foot", the sources should be checked to make sure that they don't use the correct word of "foot". If they do, it should be changed. 82.203.24.1 ( talk) 15:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
The motto of family Montresor,"Nemo me impune lacessit", is the traditional motto of Scotland. Except for an "r" "Montresor" is an anagram of "Montrose". This was the noble title of the scottish house Graham. The then lord Montrose did as conservative minister of interior persecute the exiled italian patriot Mazzini in Poes days. That made "to grahamize"= opening others post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.198.216.242 ( talk) 11:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The article currently uses both "Luchesi" (in the plot summary) and "Luchresi" (in the adaptations section). Quoting from wikisource's talk page:
There's an oddity about the name of the unseen third character. I've seen some sources give "Luchesi", and other sources give "Luchresi". I believe the version I read in high school had "Luchresi" (my teacher pronounced the 'r' in any case), but the MP3 dramatization (linked to from Wikipedia) pronounces the name as "Luchesi". If you google for the story, you'll come across both versions; "Luchesi" seems more common. But which way did Poe originally write it? - furrykef 11:37, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- My copy of the complete works states it as "Luchesi", this edition published in 1985. I'm not sure how to best verify it 100%, but if I were to put money on it I'd probably go for "Luchesi" over "Luchresi". BenM 08:03, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I would note that Luchresi is Poe's original usage; like the names Fortunato and Montresor, it reflects a material world value (Luchresi from lucre, money, root of lucrative). I don't know why or how or when it was changed to Luchesi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.135.103.8 ( talk) 16:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- According to the Edgar Allan Poe Society, which examines the original source texts, "Luchresi" was the original name in the 1846 Godey's publication. By its reprinting in 1850 (under Griswold), it was changed to "Lucresi", likely by the author himself. It's an interesting note; I never knew of this discrepancy. -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 23:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
The distinction is shown in the Poe Society comparative text page, but they don't elaborate on it. I'm not sure if this is a good enough source, but I do think this should at least be mentioned in the article (probably as a footnote on the first use, or maybe in the "publication history" section). -- Pokechu22 ( talk) 06:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)