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VIA did not assume responsibility for The Canadian on January 12 1977. This was the date when CN created VIA as a subsidiary company for its passenger services. VIA did not become a separate Crown corporation until April 1978 (when it still only operated CN's passenger services). It wasn't until October 1978 that CP gave control of its passenger services to VIA (along with equipment and stations), and it wasn't until mid-1979 that the VIA brand actually was implemented on the CP trains. Plasma east 04:22, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Change of the route from CPR to mostly CNR was simply due to the fact the Federal government was paying for 100% of the losses of VIA Rail and Canadian National Railways. They did not want to pay money to the private shareholder-owned Canadian Pacific Railway. Under the old system, 80% of the losses were paid out. (Likely, the CPR in particular could cook the books sufficiently to get at least 100%) Furthermore, the CNR route ran through the Riding of many sitting MP's, moreso than CPR. The CPR was happy to get rid of the nusiance of passenger trains operating on their single-track mainline and made no complaint. R.L.Kennedy 20:48, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
What do we think of adding a reference to the Eric Wilson children's mystery novel Murder on the Canadian, set on the train? Mgriffin 03:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Does the Canadian still stop just about anywhere a passenger requests for pick up and drop off? Back in 1999, I was able to board this train in the middle of nowhere north of Thunder Bay with a canoe and got dropped off at a bridge ~50 miles down the line. All for a pretty small fee (maybe $20). If I were a through-passenger I'd be pretty pissed about all the time lost for a dude and his canoe. Toiyabe 18:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
How much do tickets typically cost? TastyCakes ( talk) 19:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a newspaper of the same name. [1] 69.157.229.153 ( talk) 18:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
From what I see on the VIA rail website, it is called "The Canadian". - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
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The word "the" here serves no grammatical purpose, because it's not a sentence. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 20:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't know why it's not capitalized, and you don't know why it's there at all. =) Pretty inclusive. I would suggest that the name is "The Ocean". - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
my copy of rail canada vol 4 calls the ocean "ocean" and it does say "the canadian" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.233.74 ( talk) 23:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Correct name of train under VIA Rail Canada is Canadian. Under the CPR it was The Canadian. R.L.Kennedy 20:34, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is that train in the photo really westbound ? The description of the photo doesn't actually say that. 122.106.205.74 ( talk) 10:46, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I've dramatically reduced the number of images in this article. All the images are still available for use; those that weren't on WP:COMMONS already I moved there. I want to be clear that I think they're all great images, and I appreciate the time that went into (a) taking them, (b) uploading them, and (c) providing descriptions. I don't think it worked with the article though--we need a balance between images and text (see also WP:Galleries). I think we can work more of them in with an expanded route description (besides British Columbia) and perhaps a section on the Canadian's equipment. Mackensen (talk) 20:35, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Before I grumble about the substantive nature of Trekphiler ( talk · contribs)'s changes to the images in the article, I want to point out that the first edit introduced stray markup (check the Via Rail section header) and the second edit, despite ostensibly being a revert, does not. I'm sorry that he didn't notice this issue the first time, but that's what I reacted to.
Anyway, on to the grumbling. The image of the Canadian Pacific version of the train was deliberatively included in the Canadian Pacific portion of the history section, on the assumption that readers would appreciate the context. Far from being "silly" it's a common practice and I think a desirable one. Having a general image gallery in the Via Rail section doesn't make much sense to me. These images now intrude into the route section. This doesn't strike me as an improvement. I've bumped the infobox image up to 300px; 350px was originally needed because of spacing problems in the route map and I agree that it was no longer justified. Mackensen (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
On 26 November 2018, this article cited
This is just a friendly reminder to not use Train of the Week as a source. The author has openly admitted that his posts are summaries of Wikipedia pages. [1] (For why that's problematic, see Circular reporting#Examples involving Wikipedia.) 128.135.98.233 ( talk) 00:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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I've started a new blog, maybe something of an expansion to this one, where I'll do more than linking and summarizing things from Wikipedia most of the time.
An editor has removed the train's current westbound and eastbound schedules. There is no practical reason to remove this valuable resource. Saying that users may go to the company's site is placing an undue obstacle to this information. Not all users are adept at searching for the information. So, this editor has restored the links. Westbound schedule
Eastbound schedule Dogru144 ( talk) 00:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
The Sudbury Junction leg to Montreal was eliminated when the track to Pembroke was eliminated. Peter Horn User talk 23:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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VIA did not assume responsibility for The Canadian on January 12 1977. This was the date when CN created VIA as a subsidiary company for its passenger services. VIA did not become a separate Crown corporation until April 1978 (when it still only operated CN's passenger services). It wasn't until October 1978 that CP gave control of its passenger services to VIA (along with equipment and stations), and it wasn't until mid-1979 that the VIA brand actually was implemented on the CP trains. Plasma east 04:22, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Change of the route from CPR to mostly CNR was simply due to the fact the Federal government was paying for 100% of the losses of VIA Rail and Canadian National Railways. They did not want to pay money to the private shareholder-owned Canadian Pacific Railway. Under the old system, 80% of the losses were paid out. (Likely, the CPR in particular could cook the books sufficiently to get at least 100%) Furthermore, the CNR route ran through the Riding of many sitting MP's, moreso than CPR. The CPR was happy to get rid of the nusiance of passenger trains operating on their single-track mainline and made no complaint. R.L.Kennedy 20:48, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
What do we think of adding a reference to the Eric Wilson children's mystery novel Murder on the Canadian, set on the train? Mgriffin 03:54, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Does the Canadian still stop just about anywhere a passenger requests for pick up and drop off? Back in 1999, I was able to board this train in the middle of nowhere north of Thunder Bay with a canoe and got dropped off at a bridge ~50 miles down the line. All for a pretty small fee (maybe $20). If I were a through-passenger I'd be pretty pissed about all the time lost for a dude and his canoe. Toiyabe 18:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
How much do tickets typically cost? TastyCakes ( talk) 19:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a newspaper of the same name. [1] 69.157.229.153 ( talk) 18:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
From what I see on the VIA rail website, it is called "The Canadian". - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 18:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Home > Trains > Rockies and Pacific > Toronto-Vancouver (the Canadian)
The word "the" here serves no grammatical purpose, because it's not a sentence. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 20:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't know why it's not capitalized, and you don't know why it's there at all. =) Pretty inclusive. I would suggest that the name is "The Ocean". - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 17:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
my copy of rail canada vol 4 calls the ocean "ocean" and it does say "the canadian" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.233.74 ( talk) 23:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Correct name of train under VIA Rail Canada is Canadian. Under the CPR it was The Canadian. R.L.Kennedy 20:34, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is that train in the photo really westbound ? The description of the photo doesn't actually say that. 122.106.205.74 ( talk) 10:46, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I've dramatically reduced the number of images in this article. All the images are still available for use; those that weren't on WP:COMMONS already I moved there. I want to be clear that I think they're all great images, and I appreciate the time that went into (a) taking them, (b) uploading them, and (c) providing descriptions. I don't think it worked with the article though--we need a balance between images and text (see also WP:Galleries). I think we can work more of them in with an expanded route description (besides British Columbia) and perhaps a section on the Canadian's equipment. Mackensen (talk) 20:35, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Before I grumble about the substantive nature of Trekphiler ( talk · contribs)'s changes to the images in the article, I want to point out that the first edit introduced stray markup (check the Via Rail section header) and the second edit, despite ostensibly being a revert, does not. I'm sorry that he didn't notice this issue the first time, but that's what I reacted to.
Anyway, on to the grumbling. The image of the Canadian Pacific version of the train was deliberatively included in the Canadian Pacific portion of the history section, on the assumption that readers would appreciate the context. Far from being "silly" it's a common practice and I think a desirable one. Having a general image gallery in the Via Rail section doesn't make much sense to me. These images now intrude into the route section. This doesn't strike me as an improvement. I've bumped the infobox image up to 300px; 350px was originally needed because of spacing problems in the route map and I agree that it was no longer justified. Mackensen (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
On 26 November 2018, this article cited
This is just a friendly reminder to not use Train of the Week as a source. The author has openly admitted that his posts are summaries of Wikipedia pages. [1] (For why that's problematic, see Circular reporting#Examples involving Wikipedia.) 128.135.98.233 ( talk) 00:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
References
I've started a new blog, maybe something of an expansion to this one, where I'll do more than linking and summarizing things from Wikipedia most of the time.
An editor has removed the train's current westbound and eastbound schedules. There is no practical reason to remove this valuable resource. Saying that users may go to the company's site is placing an undue obstacle to this information. Not all users are adept at searching for the information. So, this editor has restored the links. Westbound schedule
Eastbound schedule Dogru144 ( talk) 00:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
The Sudbury Junction leg to Montreal was eliminated when the track to Pembroke was eliminated. Peter Horn User talk 23:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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I've opened a discussion regarding recent changes to the Canadian's route map template at Template talk:VIA Canadian#Former routing. 162 etc. ( talk) 17:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)