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According to exclusive-exclusive report cited herewith, Matthew McConaughey is to play the role of JFK [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.200.156.159 ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 26 January 2013
The result of the proposal was not moved. Though I participated in this discussion, consensus is quite clear (and the nominator has been blocked for username policy violation), so I'm closing it in the spirit of WP:NOTBURO. Please contact me with concerns. -- BDD ( talk) 18:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
The Butler → Lee Daniels' The Butler – The official title of the movie has been changed from The Butler to Lee Daniels' The Butler. All marketing materials moving forward will incorporate the new title Lee Daniels' The Butler, including the new poster that has been uploaded to this Wiki page. Please move the page to the new title so we can streamline this process. Weinsteinco ( talk) 22:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I think this article misuses the phrase "ensemble cast". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.135.25.221 ( talk) 04:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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Regarding the "Starring" field in the film infobox, one can see the billing block clearly here. Erik ( talk | contribs) 19:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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I know Icon (through Lionsgate) will distribution it in the UK I need on this page. please
Should some of the information below be added to Wikipedia's "Butler" article?
From Newsmax, we get several reactions from Ronald Reagan's White House; 'the portrayal of the president as racially insensitive in the movie "The Butler" was "absolutely wrong",' Ken Duberstein, the Gipper's last chief of staff, tells John Gizzi.
' "Ronald Reagan saw everybody as the same and was colorblind," Duberstein … said in an exclusive interview with Newsmax. "He accepted everyone for who they were and did not have a bad bone in his body".'
Former Attorney General Edwin Meese III concurs, telling Andrea Billups that 'the portrayal of the Reagans as racially insensitive was not accurate, saying the true Ronald Reagan "treated everyone extremely well, including people who were in a position of assisting him in one way or another".' Asteriks ( talk) 19:24, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
It's complete and utter bullshit to say that Reagan liked blacks. He was a racist, and this is alluded to in more than one bio. Nancy was not much better, I seem to recall her comment about seeing all the "beautiful white people" at a campaign rally for her husband's presidential bid.
People seem to conveniently forget that this is BASED ON someone else's life, and yes, lots of dramatic license is used. Lots of white films play fast and loose with historical accuracy, and they are not attacked the way white right-wingers are attacking The Butler.Bo sez so!!! 16:41, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Remember Wikipedia:NOTAFORUM and Wikipedia:CIVILITY-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 05:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
There was a poster shown that indicated the son ran for office. What office makes a lot of difference, as does whether the candidate passes various marks, like 10% of votes cast, winning the 90%-black precincts, finishing 2nd, or of course winning. Perhaps no such info appeared or was insinuated (but and if it was, i missed it). If there was no such hint, it probably is just a way of communicating "he not only left the Panthers, but also at least devoted sustained effort to electoral politics", and the reconciliation he achieved with the father says as much as we need. But if it was clear that he was at least a wake-up call in his constituency, that probably needs brief mention.
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First off, the naming issue isn't that of an article rename, as the film's common name is The Butler, per WP: COMMONNAME. There's no arguing that. Instead, the issue lies with how the film's title is presented in the lead and infobox. The film's official name is Lee Daniels' The Butler. That is how the film is referred to on-screen, by The Weinstein Company, the film's official website and various secondary media sources. The way the lead sentence is currently written now ("marketed as Lee Daniels' The Butler") is partially misleading, as the Lee Daniels' prefix is used beyond the film's marketing, (e.g. the film is credited onscreen as that). Marketing is defined by promotional advertising (such as trailers, posters, etc.), not by the final film itself.
The argument that "the infobox and first part of the lead" is a relatively weak one, considering other films such as The Avengers and Borat don't follow that rule. The common names of those films are The Avengers and Borat, therefore their respective articles are rightfully titled as such. However, their leading sentences and infoboxes display their actual names; Marvel's The Avengers and Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan. I've been attempting to employ that logic here on The Butler, but my edits are constantly being reverted. If the opposing argument were to really be upheld for validity, then The Avengers, Borat, and other similar articles, should be scrutinized as well— but they're not and yet this article is. ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 21:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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The plot summary is currently 788 words, a bit too long; I will try to trim it down some. Invertzoo ( talk) 14:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
As this film is fictional, differences between Martin and Allen are not historically inaccurate. They are different people, one is a fictional character loosely based on the other, so it is not appropriate to put those differences under such a context. 174.73.5.74 ( talk) 20:48, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
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According to exclusive-exclusive report cited herewith, Matthew McConaughey is to play the role of JFK [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.200.156.159 ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 26 January 2013
The result of the proposal was not moved. Though I participated in this discussion, consensus is quite clear (and the nominator has been blocked for username policy violation), so I'm closing it in the spirit of WP:NOTBURO. Please contact me with concerns. -- BDD ( talk) 18:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
The Butler → Lee Daniels' The Butler – The official title of the movie has been changed from The Butler to Lee Daniels' The Butler. All marketing materials moving forward will incorporate the new title Lee Daniels' The Butler, including the new poster that has been uploaded to this Wiki page. Please move the page to the new title so we can streamline this process. Weinsteinco ( talk) 22:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I think this article misuses the phrase "ensemble cast". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.135.25.221 ( talk) 04:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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Regarding the "Starring" field in the film infobox, one can see the billing block clearly here. Erik ( talk | contribs) 19:51, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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I know Icon (through Lionsgate) will distribution it in the UK I need on this page. please
Should some of the information below be added to Wikipedia's "Butler" article?
From Newsmax, we get several reactions from Ronald Reagan's White House; 'the portrayal of the president as racially insensitive in the movie "The Butler" was "absolutely wrong",' Ken Duberstein, the Gipper's last chief of staff, tells John Gizzi.
' "Ronald Reagan saw everybody as the same and was colorblind," Duberstein … said in an exclusive interview with Newsmax. "He accepted everyone for who they were and did not have a bad bone in his body".'
Former Attorney General Edwin Meese III concurs, telling Andrea Billups that 'the portrayal of the Reagans as racially insensitive was not accurate, saying the true Ronald Reagan "treated everyone extremely well, including people who were in a position of assisting him in one way or another".' Asteriks ( talk) 19:24, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
It's complete and utter bullshit to say that Reagan liked blacks. He was a racist, and this is alluded to in more than one bio. Nancy was not much better, I seem to recall her comment about seeing all the "beautiful white people" at a campaign rally for her husband's presidential bid.
People seem to conveniently forget that this is BASED ON someone else's life, and yes, lots of dramatic license is used. Lots of white films play fast and loose with historical accuracy, and they are not attacked the way white right-wingers are attacking The Butler.Bo sez so!!! 16:41, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Remember Wikipedia:NOTAFORUM and Wikipedia:CIVILITY-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 05:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
There was a poster shown that indicated the son ran for office. What office makes a lot of difference, as does whether the candidate passes various marks, like 10% of votes cast, winning the 90%-black precincts, finishing 2nd, or of course winning. Perhaps no such info appeared or was insinuated (but and if it was, i missed it). If there was no such hint, it probably is just a way of communicating "he not only left the Panthers, but also at least devoted sustained effort to electoral politics", and the reconciliation he achieved with the father says as much as we need. But if it was clear that he was at least a wake-up call in his constituency, that probably needs brief mention.
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Jerzy•
t 00:53 & 01:32, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
First off, the naming issue isn't that of an article rename, as the film's common name is The Butler, per WP: COMMONNAME. There's no arguing that. Instead, the issue lies with how the film's title is presented in the lead and infobox. The film's official name is Lee Daniels' The Butler. That is how the film is referred to on-screen, by The Weinstein Company, the film's official website and various secondary media sources. The way the lead sentence is currently written now ("marketed as Lee Daniels' The Butler") is partially misleading, as the Lee Daniels' prefix is used beyond the film's marketing, (e.g. the film is credited onscreen as that). Marketing is defined by promotional advertising (such as trailers, posters, etc.), not by the final film itself.
The argument that "the infobox and first part of the lead" is a relatively weak one, considering other films such as The Avengers and Borat don't follow that rule. The common names of those films are The Avengers and Borat, therefore their respective articles are rightfully titled as such. However, their leading sentences and infoboxes display their actual names; Marvel's The Avengers and Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan. I've been attempting to employ that logic here on The Butler, but my edits are constantly being reverted. If the opposing argument were to really be upheld for validity, then The Avengers, Borat, and other similar articles, should be scrutinized as well— but they're not and yet this article is. ~ Jedi94 ( talk) 21:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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Igottheconch ( talk)
The plot summary is currently 788 words, a bit too long; I will try to trim it down some. Invertzoo ( talk) 14:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
As this film is fictional, differences between Martin and Allen are not historically inaccurate. They are different people, one is a fictional character loosely based on the other, so it is not appropriate to put those differences under such a context. 174.73.5.74 ( talk) 20:48, 31 May 2014 (UTC)