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I've added a new "Further reading" section with a link to a good website on the history of curling in Canada (from Library and Archives Canada). Is this helpful? Smobri 18:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I think this article needs to be renamed to something like "Canadian Men's Curling Championship" as Nokia has only been the sponsor since 2001. Labatt's sponsored it for 20 years before that and then of course the original sponsor. RedWolf 01:19, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)
I think this article should be called "The Brier". I think the sponsor's name should only be included in the name of the event if the sponsor never changes, eg, Scott Tournament of Hearts. If Molson decided to become the title sponsor of Hockey Night in Canada again, should the article be renamed to 'Molson Hockey Night in Canada'? I think not. Furthermore, distinguishing between sponsors leads to unnatural content. Why should the winners of the Nokia Brier be in a separate table than the winners of the Labatt Brier? This should be one single list of Brier winners or Canadian Men's Curling Champions or something to that effect. If it weren't for the discussion already present, I would have moved this myself, in accordance with WP:Bold. P0per 19:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus
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Moved from the WP:RM page in line with the consensus on that page.
-- Philip Baird Shearer 11:34, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Not enough consensus for the move. Removed from WP:RM. violet/riga (t) 18:49, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 08:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
This page should be called The Brier 67.68.222.42 05:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Umm, this matter has been settled already. See the above discussion. --
Earl Andrew -
talk 06:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Mention of Manitoba's disproportionate number of victories has no place in a "neutral point of view" article. It may be a fact, but deserves no more mention than the fact that the territories have never won. Either include all such trivia, or none at all.
I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and organization than would be expected of a Stub, and of low importance, as it is a highly specific event within Canada. Cheers, CP 02:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
How about having a chart showing total winners by province/region? anyone oppose it? Also, what about an indication as to who went on to win the World Championships that year? 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 19:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 10:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Tim Hortons Brier → The Brier – Following the move of "Rogers Cup" to "Canadian Open" at Tennis, I wanted to see how the community feels about moving this article to simply The Brier. The article encompasses the entire competition - including its stints as "MacDonald Brier" and "Nokia Brier". This means the article title, which is about the tournament itself (including those using past sponsorship names) is not reflective of its history, nor its common name. Colipon+( Talk) 01:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC) Although this has been discussed before, it has been over 5 years since last discussed. The name of this article should be simple "The Brier" or "Brier Cup". Although Tim Hortons is the current major sponsor, the article covers not only the Tim Hortons Brier but the Macdonald Brier, Labatt Brier, and Nokia Brier. So naming the article Tim Hortons Brier is incorrect as it covers more than the 7 years of Tim Hortons Briers. UrbanNerd ( talk) 21:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky ( talk) 23:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Montana's Brier → The Brier – Per WP:COMMONNAME policy, as evidenced by the fact that The Brier has been a redirect to [sponsor] Brier since 2012. Wikipedia does not exist to promote corporate sponsorships (see: WP:NOTADVERT policy), while searches for "Brier" on Google return results which are entirely related to the Curling event. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
"I also want to note that moving this page violates WP:CURLING which clearly states that this particular article should remain under its official name."I would invite you to read up on current policy regarding local consensuses, which states very clearly
"Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale."Community consensus is to make WP:COMMONNAME part of the Article Titles policy ("The Policy") and which says,
"Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed [in The Policy] . When there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering these criteria directly"(bolding mine).
"Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable, English-language sources ("reliable sources" for short) written after the name change."TSN/Bell Media has overwhelmingly used "Brier" this year, occasionally using "the Brier" and "Montana's Brier". [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Global News uses "Brier" or "the Brier" in headlines and in all but two ctrl+f hits for "Brier" (appearing to use "Canadian men's curling championship" more often than "Montana's..."). [7] [8] [9] The CBC uses "Brier" or "the Brier" only in headlines and also uses "Canadian men's curling championship" in article bodies more often than the sponsored name. [10] [11] Various Postmedia outlets are also electing to use "Brier" in headlines, etc.
The version of this article on fr.wiki, fr:Brier Montana's, needs fixing. Many of the bluelinks for curlers link to the wrong articles, and it should also probably be renamed to fr:Le Brier per this article's rename -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 21:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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I've added a new "Further reading" section with a link to a good website on the history of curling in Canada (from Library and Archives Canada). Is this helpful? Smobri 18:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I think this article needs to be renamed to something like "Canadian Men's Curling Championship" as Nokia has only been the sponsor since 2001. Labatt's sponsored it for 20 years before that and then of course the original sponsor. RedWolf 01:19, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)
I think this article should be called "The Brier". I think the sponsor's name should only be included in the name of the event if the sponsor never changes, eg, Scott Tournament of Hearts. If Molson decided to become the title sponsor of Hockey Night in Canada again, should the article be renamed to 'Molson Hockey Night in Canada'? I think not. Furthermore, distinguishing between sponsors leads to unnatural content. Why should the winners of the Nokia Brier be in a separate table than the winners of the Labatt Brier? This should be one single list of Brier winners or Canadian Men's Curling Champions or something to that effect. If it weren't for the discussion already present, I would have moved this myself, in accordance with WP:Bold. P0per 19:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus
---Add any additional comments on the "Requested move" below this line ---
Moved from the WP:RM page in line with the consensus on that page.
-- Philip Baird Shearer 11:34, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Not enough consensus for the move. Removed from WP:RM. violet/riga (t) 18:49, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 08:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
This page should be called The Brier 67.68.222.42 05:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Umm, this matter has been settled already. See the above discussion. --
Earl Andrew -
talk 06:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Mention of Manitoba's disproportionate number of victories has no place in a "neutral point of view" article. It may be a fact, but deserves no more mention than the fact that the territories have never won. Either include all such trivia, or none at all.
I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and organization than would be expected of a Stub, and of low importance, as it is a highly specific event within Canada. Cheers, CP 02:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
How about having a chart showing total winners by province/region? anyone oppose it? Also, what about an indication as to who went on to win the World Championships that year? 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 19:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 10:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Tim Hortons Brier → The Brier – Following the move of "Rogers Cup" to "Canadian Open" at Tennis, I wanted to see how the community feels about moving this article to simply The Brier. The article encompasses the entire competition - including its stints as "MacDonald Brier" and "Nokia Brier". This means the article title, which is about the tournament itself (including those using past sponsorship names) is not reflective of its history, nor its common name. Colipon+( Talk) 01:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC) Although this has been discussed before, it has been over 5 years since last discussed. The name of this article should be simple "The Brier" or "Brier Cup". Although Tim Hortons is the current major sponsor, the article covers not only the Tim Hortons Brier but the Macdonald Brier, Labatt Brier, and Nokia Brier. So naming the article Tim Hortons Brier is incorrect as it covers more than the 7 years of Tim Hortons Briers. UrbanNerd ( talk) 21:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky ( talk) 23:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Montana's Brier → The Brier – Per WP:COMMONNAME policy, as evidenced by the fact that The Brier has been a redirect to [sponsor] Brier since 2012. Wikipedia does not exist to promote corporate sponsorships (see: WP:NOTADVERT policy), while searches for "Brier" on Google return results which are entirely related to the Curling event. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
"I also want to note that moving this page violates WP:CURLING which clearly states that this particular article should remain under its official name."I would invite you to read up on current policy regarding local consensuses, which states very clearly
"Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale."Community consensus is to make WP:COMMONNAME part of the Article Titles policy ("The Policy") and which says,
"Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed [in The Policy] . When there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering these criteria directly"(bolding mine).
"Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable, English-language sources ("reliable sources" for short) written after the name change."TSN/Bell Media has overwhelmingly used "Brier" this year, occasionally using "the Brier" and "Montana's Brier". [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Global News uses "Brier" or "the Brier" in headlines and in all but two ctrl+f hits for "Brier" (appearing to use "Canadian men's curling championship" more often than "Montana's..."). [7] [8] [9] The CBC uses "Brier" or "the Brier" only in headlines and also uses "Canadian men's curling championship" in article bodies more often than the sponsored name. [10] [11] Various Postmedia outlets are also electing to use "Brier" in headlines, etc.
The version of this article on fr.wiki, fr:Brier Montana's, needs fixing. Many of the bluelinks for curlers link to the wrong articles, and it should also probably be renamed to fr:Le Brier per this article's rename -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 21:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)