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I saw this film last night and i was looking for some information on a small plot hole i spotted which is meantioned above (red bag), but i was rather annoyed to be told of some of the plot details of the Bourne Supremacy, i was fully expecting plot details of the bourne identity to be here but not the newer film, which i've not seen yet, maybe some advanced warning can be given of this? as it is not clear that the plot of the second film is going to be talked about here. DanielT 14:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
The movie does not 'streamline' the plot as the original page text would have the casual viewer believe. The plot in the movie bears almost zero actual resemblance to the plot of the books. Names, places, and vague adaptations of events are kept, but the entire point of the novel (the amnesia, Carlos, the big news at the end) is missed. I feel it does a great diservice to the Ludlum novels to imply that the movie 'streamlines' the plot rather than 'deviates heavily from'. You cannot read the book and know what would happen in the movie, nor could you have seen the movie and known what would happen in the book. You reach two logically different conclusions about who Jason Bourne actually is at the end of the book versus at the end of the movie. TunkeyMicket 05:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
In the article, the author suggests that Jason Bourne may have multiple personalities and cites the early scene in the park as possible evidence. Personally, I believe the look of bewilderment on his face comes from the fact that he did these things as an instant reaction, and didn't know where they came from. Much like him tying that knot on the boat, or talking to Marie in the diner about how he knows he can run flat out for 2 miles and all of the other details about the diner. These are all things that he knows, but doesn't know how he knows.
I'm fairly certain that the self-defense scene in the park is the same type of thing. He reacted when the cop went to tap him with the night stick, and his years of training took over when he disarmed them. He was put into an 'automatic' mode at that point, and when it was all done a few seconds later and he was holding the gun, his look of bewilderment was him thinking 'How did I do that?', not necessarily 'Uh, how did I get here and why am I holding this gun with two disarmed cops on the ground?' User:avidal 21:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
There are many inclusions in this page which appear to merely be theories. For example, the explanations for the Treadstone operatives headaches as well as the reason for multiple passports. This is not the locale for inputing personal opinion and these theories should not be included without stronger support derived from the movie. Creativitylack 04:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I have re-wrote, or at least expanded, most of this article. I have added notes on the production, in particular details on its difficult development, as well as adding a reception section. I have expunged the trivia section (if its trivia it isn't worth mentioning in an encyclopaedia) and original research regarding events in the film and the Bourne character - while probably accurate, they can't be cited or referenced in any manner and thus should be removed. The plot section still needs to be trimmed down however. Qjuad 21:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
--Going in order from the top of the page--
-- BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'll get to these fixes soon. Thankyou for the feedback. Qjuad 17:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I edited this article and I'd like to know why only the 'American' English spelling of words is acceptable when this version of Wikipedia is only mentioned as being English. I'm talking about words such as realise, alternatively spelt realize. Algebra Man 22:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
you havnt mentioned that who is john micheal kane??? and i also wanted to ask that if conklin did not send jason bourne to kill wambosi then who did and why??????? please do answer...... you can send me an email at t_3_rry@hotmail.com
i really appreciate that you replied....could you explain the last part of the movie....was jason sent to kill wombosi???no...because conklin said that he could sent nicke to do that.....so what exactly was the mission about??and why was conklin hiding something from ward abbot???what was the mission all about...one thing was for sure that he wasnt sent to kill wombosi????could you explain each dialogue of the last scene when jason bourne and conklin....please help.....my id t_3_rry@hotmail.com please explain the last scene...explaining each dialogue of conklin and jason....
ok....now i get it....THANK YOU VERY MUCH......one more question....conklin says to jason "i thought we were on the same side"....and then jason asks "whose side is that"....n later conklin says "bourne you dont nkow what you are doing?you don't have a got damn clue??".......jason wasnt doin anything....in fact he was finding about his past....could you explain this also....and one more thing you must have seen the boure ultimatum.....in which hesays to the doctor that he spend three years running....n doctor albert replies "you still havent filled in the pieces"...so he(doctor) knew that he(jason) was an amnesiac and that he(jason) has lost his(jason's) memory...so why didnt he(doctor albert) told others that he(jason) has lost his memory????and one other thing that he(jason) was not saving american lives but he(jason) was taking american lives!!!!!!!!!could you explain this also.....
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved.
The result of the proposal was - no support for move to The Bourne Identity (film) so retained at current title. Miniseries applies to greater than 2 episodes so move The Bourne Identity (TV miniseries) to The Bourne Identity (1988 film). Keith D ( talk) 23:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Is there another Bourne Identity film? Per naming conventions, you should only put the year in the title of the article if it shares its name with another article. (i.e. if there were two Bourne Identity films, one in 1995 and one in 2002, then you would have one say "1995 film" and one say "2002 film". If this is the only film, then it should simply be "film" in the title. The same goes for the TV miniseries. That shouldn't have a year in the title either. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
could anyone explain the last part of the movie....was jason sent to kill wombosi???no...because conklin said that he could sent nicke to do that.....so what exactly was the mission about??and why was conklin hiding something from ward abbot???what was the mission all about...one thing was for sure that he wasnt sent to kill wombosi????could you explain each dialogue of the last scene when jason bourne and conklin meet face to face....please help.....my id t_3_rry@hotmail.com please explain the last scene...explaining each dialogue of conklin and jason at the end of the movie(the last part).... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.236.62 ( talk) 17:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
Also, check this please (and see if you can mention it in your article):
[3]
The Bourne Identity (1988) (TV)
Director:Roger Young
Cast (Cast overview, first billed only)
Richard Chamberlain ... Jason Bourne
Jaclyn Smith ... Marie St. Jacques Anthony Quayle ... Gen. François Villiers Donald Moffat ... David Abbott Yorgo Voyagis ... Carlos Peter Vaughan ... Fritz Koenig Denholm Elliott ... Geoffrey Washburn
Plot Summary: A man is washed ashore the beach of a small French village during a heavy storm. A retired doctor takes care of the unconscious stranger. When the mysterious man recovers, he cannot remember anything - He does not know his name, he does not know where flashback memories of violence come from, and he sure does not know why the access code of an anonymous Swiss bank account is implanted in his thigh. As he searches for his identity, things soon become dangerous. There are attempts to kill him, he is well known in first class hotels all around Europe, and, worst of all, there are strange similarities between his memories and reported actions of a high class terrorist, Carlos.
1988 Won Emmy Award
Outstanding Achievement in Music Composition for a Miniseries or a Special (Dramatic Underscore)
Laurence Rosenthal (composer)
For part I.
1988 Nominated Emmy Outstanding Editing for a Miniseries or a Special - Single Camera Production Benjamin A. Weissman (editor) Ellen Ring Jacobson (editor)
1989 Nominated Golden Globe Best Performance by an Actor in a Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for TV Richard Chamberlain
-- MirceaD ( talk) 22:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The text of the article says that Bourne was first found by Italian fishermen, but I was under they impression they were Greek. Can anyone confirm? — Wrathchild ( talk) 19:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I was shocked at the extent that the movie deviated from the book!
The movie shared little with the book aside from the name, the basic premise and some of the names.
It is truly a shame because IMHO this was the greatest spy novel ever written by the greatest spy novel author who ever lived. I have this theory that a contributing factor in his death was the broken heart after seeing what they had done with his greatest creation.
Genepilot ( talk) 21:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
In the movie, Bourne puts a red bank bag in a train station locker. He never goes back for it, but has an identical looking red bank bag later in the movie. If the bag were gray, I'd assume it was the bag he took off the agent who tried to kill him at his apartment. But it's red, just like the one he is carrying all his cash and passports in. What was in that bag? Was there a detail I missed somewhere? — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:04, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, but I just saw the movie twice and that scene is very distinct. He drops off some bag at the train station and never retreives it. Any idea what's in it and why he never goes back for it? — Frecklefoot | Talk 05:27, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I went through the article and made various changes (including cutting down the plot), added some sources, and merged the soundtrack back into the article. Please look them over. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It may be beneficial to look for any updates, or see if there were any more recent stories in the news. I would also recommend updating the access dates of the sources. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 00:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
hello —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.218.26.203 ( talk) 23:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The plot section needs a big clean up. I do not wish to read every. single. move. he makes during actions scenes, i simply want to know the things relevant to the plot. The plot summary is waaaaaayy to large, filled with tons of unnecesarry information. 62.194.170.62 21:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
It has long since been confirmed that neither Matt Damon nor previous director Paul Greengrass will have any involvement in the next Bourne film. Can somebody please update the final paragraph of the article to reflect this, along with a suitable reference? Thanks. For the time being, I have removed the contradictory statement saying that they WILL return, along with its reference (which dates back to 2009) Nmb882003 ( talk) 22:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Can I get some thoughts on whether we should say that this film is a remake of the 1988 film? My opinion is that we shouldn't do so without a reliable source, but I thought I should check with others. Thanks. DonIago ( talk) 16:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I think there should be a page for the Nicky Parsons character, so could that particular redirect be removed? I tried to create a Nicky page a while ago, but since a search for Nicky Parsons redirects to this movie, I was unable to do so. Thanks. ~Tori
Where exactly in the movie is it shown that Bourne has a Polish Passport? I went thru the entire Swiss bank scene, frame by frame, and did not see anything that would identify him having a Polish passport.
Why does it mention a Brazillian passport possibly named after João do Carmo, and a João do Carmo's passport possible Brazillian? I've seen the movie in quite a while, but it seems to be a mistake.
User:Ogayellow 13:18, 08 August 2006 (EST)
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I saw this film last night and i was looking for some information on a small plot hole i spotted which is meantioned above (red bag), but i was rather annoyed to be told of some of the plot details of the Bourne Supremacy, i was fully expecting plot details of the bourne identity to be here but not the newer film, which i've not seen yet, maybe some advanced warning can be given of this? as it is not clear that the plot of the second film is going to be talked about here. DanielT 14:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
The movie does not 'streamline' the plot as the original page text would have the casual viewer believe. The plot in the movie bears almost zero actual resemblance to the plot of the books. Names, places, and vague adaptations of events are kept, but the entire point of the novel (the amnesia, Carlos, the big news at the end) is missed. I feel it does a great diservice to the Ludlum novels to imply that the movie 'streamlines' the plot rather than 'deviates heavily from'. You cannot read the book and know what would happen in the movie, nor could you have seen the movie and known what would happen in the book. You reach two logically different conclusions about who Jason Bourne actually is at the end of the book versus at the end of the movie. TunkeyMicket 05:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
In the article, the author suggests that Jason Bourne may have multiple personalities and cites the early scene in the park as possible evidence. Personally, I believe the look of bewilderment on his face comes from the fact that he did these things as an instant reaction, and didn't know where they came from. Much like him tying that knot on the boat, or talking to Marie in the diner about how he knows he can run flat out for 2 miles and all of the other details about the diner. These are all things that he knows, but doesn't know how he knows.
I'm fairly certain that the self-defense scene in the park is the same type of thing. He reacted when the cop went to tap him with the night stick, and his years of training took over when he disarmed them. He was put into an 'automatic' mode at that point, and when it was all done a few seconds later and he was holding the gun, his look of bewilderment was him thinking 'How did I do that?', not necessarily 'Uh, how did I get here and why am I holding this gun with two disarmed cops on the ground?' User:avidal 21:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
There are many inclusions in this page which appear to merely be theories. For example, the explanations for the Treadstone operatives headaches as well as the reason for multiple passports. This is not the locale for inputing personal opinion and these theories should not be included without stronger support derived from the movie. Creativitylack 04:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I have re-wrote, or at least expanded, most of this article. I have added notes on the production, in particular details on its difficult development, as well as adding a reception section. I have expunged the trivia section (if its trivia it isn't worth mentioning in an encyclopaedia) and original research regarding events in the film and the Bourne character - while probably accurate, they can't be cited or referenced in any manner and thus should be removed. The plot section still needs to be trimmed down however. Qjuad 21:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
--Going in order from the top of the page--
-- BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I'll get to these fixes soon. Thankyou for the feedback. Qjuad 17:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I edited this article and I'd like to know why only the 'American' English spelling of words is acceptable when this version of Wikipedia is only mentioned as being English. I'm talking about words such as realise, alternatively spelt realize. Algebra Man 22:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
you havnt mentioned that who is john micheal kane??? and i also wanted to ask that if conklin did not send jason bourne to kill wambosi then who did and why??????? please do answer...... you can send me an email at t_3_rry@hotmail.com
i really appreciate that you replied....could you explain the last part of the movie....was jason sent to kill wombosi???no...because conklin said that he could sent nicke to do that.....so what exactly was the mission about??and why was conklin hiding something from ward abbot???what was the mission all about...one thing was for sure that he wasnt sent to kill wombosi????could you explain each dialogue of the last scene when jason bourne and conklin....please help.....my id t_3_rry@hotmail.com please explain the last scene...explaining each dialogue of conklin and jason....
ok....now i get it....THANK YOU VERY MUCH......one more question....conklin says to jason "i thought we were on the same side"....and then jason asks "whose side is that"....n later conklin says "bourne you dont nkow what you are doing?you don't have a got damn clue??".......jason wasnt doin anything....in fact he was finding about his past....could you explain this also....and one more thing you must have seen the boure ultimatum.....in which hesays to the doctor that he spend three years running....n doctor albert replies "you still havent filled in the pieces"...so he(doctor) knew that he(jason) was an amnesiac and that he(jason) has lost his(jason's) memory...so why didnt he(doctor albert) told others that he(jason) has lost his memory????and one other thing that he(jason) was not saving american lives but he(jason) was taking american lives!!!!!!!!!could you explain this also.....
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved.
The result of the proposal was - no support for move to The Bourne Identity (film) so retained at current title. Miniseries applies to greater than 2 episodes so move The Bourne Identity (TV miniseries) to The Bourne Identity (1988 film). Keith D ( talk) 23:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Is there another Bourne Identity film? Per naming conventions, you should only put the year in the title of the article if it shares its name with another article. (i.e. if there were two Bourne Identity films, one in 1995 and one in 2002, then you would have one say "1995 film" and one say "2002 film". If this is the only film, then it should simply be "film" in the title. The same goes for the TV miniseries. That shouldn't have a year in the title either. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
could anyone explain the last part of the movie....was jason sent to kill wombosi???no...because conklin said that he could sent nicke to do that.....so what exactly was the mission about??and why was conklin hiding something from ward abbot???what was the mission all about...one thing was for sure that he wasnt sent to kill wombosi????could you explain each dialogue of the last scene when jason bourne and conklin meet face to face....please help.....my id t_3_rry@hotmail.com please explain the last scene...explaining each dialogue of conklin and jason at the end of the movie(the last part).... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.236.62 ( talk) 17:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
Also, check this please (and see if you can mention it in your article):
[3]
The Bourne Identity (1988) (TV)
Director:Roger Young
Cast (Cast overview, first billed only)
Richard Chamberlain ... Jason Bourne
Jaclyn Smith ... Marie St. Jacques Anthony Quayle ... Gen. François Villiers Donald Moffat ... David Abbott Yorgo Voyagis ... Carlos Peter Vaughan ... Fritz Koenig Denholm Elliott ... Geoffrey Washburn
Plot Summary: A man is washed ashore the beach of a small French village during a heavy storm. A retired doctor takes care of the unconscious stranger. When the mysterious man recovers, he cannot remember anything - He does not know his name, he does not know where flashback memories of violence come from, and he sure does not know why the access code of an anonymous Swiss bank account is implanted in his thigh. As he searches for his identity, things soon become dangerous. There are attempts to kill him, he is well known in first class hotels all around Europe, and, worst of all, there are strange similarities between his memories and reported actions of a high class terrorist, Carlos.
1988 Won Emmy Award
Outstanding Achievement in Music Composition for a Miniseries or a Special (Dramatic Underscore)
Laurence Rosenthal (composer)
For part I.
1988 Nominated Emmy Outstanding Editing for a Miniseries or a Special - Single Camera Production Benjamin A. Weissman (editor) Ellen Ring Jacobson (editor)
1989 Nominated Golden Globe Best Performance by an Actor in a Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for TV Richard Chamberlain
-- MirceaD ( talk) 22:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The text of the article says that Bourne was first found by Italian fishermen, but I was under they impression they were Greek. Can anyone confirm? — Wrathchild ( talk) 19:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I was shocked at the extent that the movie deviated from the book!
The movie shared little with the book aside from the name, the basic premise and some of the names.
It is truly a shame because IMHO this was the greatest spy novel ever written by the greatest spy novel author who ever lived. I have this theory that a contributing factor in his death was the broken heart after seeing what they had done with his greatest creation.
Genepilot ( talk) 21:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
In the movie, Bourne puts a red bank bag in a train station locker. He never goes back for it, but has an identical looking red bank bag later in the movie. If the bag were gray, I'd assume it was the bag he took off the agent who tried to kill him at his apartment. But it's red, just like the one he is carrying all his cash and passports in. What was in that bag? Was there a detail I missed somewhere? — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:04, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, but I just saw the movie twice and that scene is very distinct. He drops off some bag at the train station and never retreives it. Any idea what's in it and why he never goes back for it? — Frecklefoot | Talk 05:27, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I went through the article and made various changes (including cutting down the plot), added some sources, and merged the soundtrack back into the article. Please look them over. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It may be beneficial to look for any updates, or see if there were any more recent stories in the news. I would also recommend updating the access dates of the sources. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 00:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
hello —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.218.26.203 ( talk) 23:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The plot section needs a big clean up. I do not wish to read every. single. move. he makes during actions scenes, i simply want to know the things relevant to the plot. The plot summary is waaaaaayy to large, filled with tons of unnecesarry information. 62.194.170.62 21:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
It has long since been confirmed that neither Matt Damon nor previous director Paul Greengrass will have any involvement in the next Bourne film. Can somebody please update the final paragraph of the article to reflect this, along with a suitable reference? Thanks. For the time being, I have removed the contradictory statement saying that they WILL return, along with its reference (which dates back to 2009) Nmb882003 ( talk) 22:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Can I get some thoughts on whether we should say that this film is a remake of the 1988 film? My opinion is that we shouldn't do so without a reliable source, but I thought I should check with others. Thanks. DonIago ( talk) 16:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I think there should be a page for the Nicky Parsons character, so could that particular redirect be removed? I tried to create a Nicky page a while ago, but since a search for Nicky Parsons redirects to this movie, I was unable to do so. Thanks. ~Tori
Where exactly in the movie is it shown that Bourne has a Polish Passport? I went thru the entire Swiss bank scene, frame by frame, and did not see anything that would identify him having a Polish passport.
Why does it mention a Brazillian passport possibly named after João do Carmo, and a João do Carmo's passport possible Brazillian? I've seen the movie in quite a while, but it seems to be a mistake.
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