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I'd like to rework part of this article's Background section. I appreciate that the article's had a lot of work put into it over the years, but right now it misrepresents the situation somewhat regarding how the Beatles came to meditation. Part of the problem, I think, is that the first sentence is attempting to convey the situation for the band collectively: "In the mid-1960s, the Beatles became interested in Indian culture,[3] after using drugs in an effort to expand their consciousness[4] and in 1966 Harrison visited India for six weeks and took sitar lessons from Ravi Shankar." In fact, George Harrison was the best part of a year ahead of the others in his search, certainly compared to Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr. For instance, while LSD opened the door for all of them, Harrison and John Lennon first took the drug in March or April 1965, followed by Starr in August, yet McCartney didn't touch it until November 1966 at the earliest. By that time, Harrison and Pattie Boyd had already visited India (including Vrindavan), and Harrison was already fascinated with Hindu religious texts, chanting and meditation.
Along with his introduction of Indian music to the group and, via their unprecedented popularity, to the cultural mainstream, this is part of Harrison's legacy as a member of the Beatles, surely: he introduced Eastern spirituality to both the band and their vast audience. Some writers actually say Harrison "led" the Beatles to Rishikesh. Here are some relevant quotes (I've got plenty more):
I think this point needs to be covered not only under Background, but also under Legacy, with wording in the Lead paragraphs changed to reflect Harrison's role. There are some other things missing in the article – for instance, Nicholas Schaffner writes of the profound changes after the Beatles' combined LSD/meditation experience, such that Lennon, McCartney and Harrison "emerged … [as] three very different personalities who seldom saw eye-to-eye any more"; also, this was the last time the Beatles undertook a group activity outside of their (increasingly fraught) professional commitments. Right now, though, I believe the issue of Harrison's influence is the most important thing. JG66 ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
According to Paul either in the Beatles Anthology book or Many Years From Now, each Beatle was granted a lone audience at Bangor with the Maharishi where he received a card telling him what his personal mission in life was, and Paul's read something like, "Make people happy" or "Make people smile". I think Paul also mentions what John and George's cards read, I think George's was something like, "Reach spiritual profundity". No idea whether this was the same as their personal mantras, but if someone can identify the source out of those two I've listed, it'd certainly make a relevant addition to the article. -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 08:35, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
I've just written an article on The Beatles in Bangor – partly because the subject seemed far too notable to condense into the Background section here. I'll therefore cut the description given here on events leading up to the Beatles' early involvement with the Maharishi. What I'll add instead is some discussion of the coverage given to the Beatles' direction and to the Maharishi over late 1967 and early '68, and the build-up to their arrival in Rishikesh. They certainly faced a lot of suspicion and ridicule, for instance, which Lennon and Harrison each responded to in interviews before February '68. JG66 ( talk) 10:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Not a big deal, but regarding this edit [ [1]]:
It's standard copyediting practice. There's no sense in introducing an acronym, using it once, reverting to the expanded term again, then reverting to the acronym in the next paragraph. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
... OK, and regarding this edit summary: [ [2]]
I wrote the WP:ELEVAR essay so I could set out my arguments for why I remove elegant variation - it's easier than explaining it repeatedly in edit summaries and so on. You're free to disagree with my reasoning, of course, but a response like that isn't very constructive. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
I ought to add, before we get off on the wrong foot completely, that I appreciate the corrections you made to my changes and didn't just flatten them outright. Cheers. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Would it be useful to name the writers of the songs listed? Especially, which one was Ringo’s? Boscaswell talk 10:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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I'd like to rework part of this article's Background section. I appreciate that the article's had a lot of work put into it over the years, but right now it misrepresents the situation somewhat regarding how the Beatles came to meditation. Part of the problem, I think, is that the first sentence is attempting to convey the situation for the band collectively: "In the mid-1960s, the Beatles became interested in Indian culture,[3] after using drugs in an effort to expand their consciousness[4] and in 1966 Harrison visited India for six weeks and took sitar lessons from Ravi Shankar." In fact, George Harrison was the best part of a year ahead of the others in his search, certainly compared to Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr. For instance, while LSD opened the door for all of them, Harrison and John Lennon first took the drug in March or April 1965, followed by Starr in August, yet McCartney didn't touch it until November 1966 at the earliest. By that time, Harrison and Pattie Boyd had already visited India (including Vrindavan), and Harrison was already fascinated with Hindu religious texts, chanting and meditation.
Along with his introduction of Indian music to the group and, via their unprecedented popularity, to the cultural mainstream, this is part of Harrison's legacy as a member of the Beatles, surely: he introduced Eastern spirituality to both the band and their vast audience. Some writers actually say Harrison "led" the Beatles to Rishikesh. Here are some relevant quotes (I've got plenty more):
I think this point needs to be covered not only under Background, but also under Legacy, with wording in the Lead paragraphs changed to reflect Harrison's role. There are some other things missing in the article – for instance, Nicholas Schaffner writes of the profound changes after the Beatles' combined LSD/meditation experience, such that Lennon, McCartney and Harrison "emerged … [as] three very different personalities who seldom saw eye-to-eye any more"; also, this was the last time the Beatles undertook a group activity outside of their (increasingly fraught) professional commitments. Right now, though, I believe the issue of Harrison's influence is the most important thing. JG66 ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
According to Paul either in the Beatles Anthology book or Many Years From Now, each Beatle was granted a lone audience at Bangor with the Maharishi where he received a card telling him what his personal mission in life was, and Paul's read something like, "Make people happy" or "Make people smile". I think Paul also mentions what John and George's cards read, I think George's was something like, "Reach spiritual profundity". No idea whether this was the same as their personal mantras, but if someone can identify the source out of those two I've listed, it'd certainly make a relevant addition to the article. -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 08:35, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
I've just written an article on The Beatles in Bangor – partly because the subject seemed far too notable to condense into the Background section here. I'll therefore cut the description given here on events leading up to the Beatles' early involvement with the Maharishi. What I'll add instead is some discussion of the coverage given to the Beatles' direction and to the Maharishi over late 1967 and early '68, and the build-up to their arrival in Rishikesh. They certainly faced a lot of suspicion and ridicule, for instance, which Lennon and Harrison each responded to in interviews before February '68. JG66 ( talk) 10:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Not a big deal, but regarding this edit [ [1]]:
It's standard copyediting practice. There's no sense in introducing an acronym, using it once, reverting to the expanded term again, then reverting to the acronym in the next paragraph. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
... OK, and regarding this edit summary: [ [2]]
I wrote the WP:ELEVAR essay so I could set out my arguments for why I remove elegant variation - it's easier than explaining it repeatedly in edit summaries and so on. You're free to disagree with my reasoning, of course, but a response like that isn't very constructive. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
I ought to add, before we get off on the wrong foot completely, that I appreciate the corrections you made to my changes and didn't just flatten them outright. Cheers. Popcornduff ( talk) 16:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Would it be useful to name the writers of the songs listed? Especially, which one was Ringo’s? Boscaswell talk 10:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)