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Redirected The Baroque Cycle (novel) to here under the assumption that there is no other Baroque Cycle other than the novel of that name. - Tim Shell
All the links in the "Main Characters" section are just circular redirects back to the article. If these characters have articles of their own, the links should be fixed; if not, they should not be links but just plain text. 76.118.82.108 ( talk) 04:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
There is a pretty big mistake in this series. The IJsselmeer does not exist in 1600 something. It only was created in 1932. Also the capitalisation is incorrect, as that of IJ. Anyway thoughts on where and how to hack this in to one the entries regarding this bookseries. Spearhead 14:47, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Slavery did not exist in France (colonies excluded) during the 17th century — "nulle personne n'est esclave en ce royaume" — so Abigail cannot be kept there in slavery by Lord Upnor. Such was, presumably, the positive law, but that doesn't mean that Lord Upnor could not possibly have managed to do so in fact. Nit-pickingly, you could call it false imprisonment rather than slavery, but the effect for Abigail wouldn't have been much different. 194.109.198.99 18:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
"that fine golden beer from Pilsen," (I, p. 421). The beer we call Pilsener wasn't invented until the 19th century. So there was no beer in Pilsen before then? DaddyWarlock ( talk) 12:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC) There was beer in Pilsen, but not the pilsner type, which is really the invention of the 19th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.135.83.232 ( talk) 18:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
"Daniel Waterhouse founds a fledging "Massachusetts Bay Colony Institute of Technologickal Arts" that is strongly implied to be the ancestor of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, when in fact MIT was founded in 1861." This is incorrect. Waterhouse's Institute gets shut down near the end of System of the World. DaddyWarlock ( talk) 12:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
"Solomon - Anachronistic, Travelling as Solomen Kohan" Is it implied in the books that Kohan is in fact King Solomon? I never noticed that or came across it in any analysis.
Two relevant passages
Wikipedia forbids speculation, but what to do when the author is engaging in speculation, not about his own work, but as part of the work itself? Bear in mind that NS stacked Cryptonomicon and the Baroque Cycle with countless celebrity walk-ons, including "speaking roles" for four sitting or future British monarchs (James II, Wm III, Geo I and his daughter-in-law Queen Caroline) and Louis XIV of France, so one more head of state would hardly be a stretch, immortal or otherwise.
During lulls they engaged in Solomon Kohan’s idea of small talk:
“This is an interesting place.”
“I am pleased you find it interesting.”
“It puts me in mind of an operation I used to have in Jerusalem a long time ago.”
“Now that you mention it, the full name of the Templars was the Knights of the Temple of Solomon. So if you are that Solomon—”
“Do not play word games with me. I refer, not to this hole in the ground, which is but an indifferent crypt for long-forgotten knights, but to what lies over.”
“The Court of Technologickal Arts?”
“If that is what you call it.”
“What would you call it?”
“A temple.”
The System of the World, pp. 607-608 (hardback), italics are those of the author.
Daniel now gave a few moments’ thought to whether he should try to introduce Solomon, and how; but Isaac had got to his feet and stalked away. As Isaac went out the tavern-door he brushed past a chap who was coming in. Though this was not the most noble person who had ever set foot in the establishment (an honor that would have to go to Peter, or—who knows?—Solomon), he was unquestionably the best-dressed, and identifiable, from a thousand yards, as a courtier.
ibid, p. 614. Bridgman ( talk) 17:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Why does this entry tell us that witch-hangings were a "vestige of the Middle Ages", when in fact the Middle Ages were one of the few periods in history when supposed witches were *not* routinely executed? The major periods of witch executions were antiquity and early modern times, specifically the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries - in other words, shortly before the action of the novels. 90.197.127.144 15:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Given that these novels are a work of fantasy-fiction, not history, I think it's a bit strong to call these discrepancies 'Errors'. We simply don't know which elements are 'wrong' because Stephenson deliberately manipulated history for the sake of the story, and which are due to his lack of knowledge. We might make a reasonable guess in some cases, but if we're to call them all errors, we might as well add to the list the facts that Newton didn't really bunk-up with Daniel Waterhouse, there is no known elixir that will revive someone from death, and people don't live as long as Enoch Root. -- DudeGalea 14:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I changed Comstock to Silver Comstock, and also Roger Comstock to John Comstock. I thought this befitted the background... Any suggestions? Thereforethelordgod 05:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I recommend removing the "Silver" from the Comstock row and adding Roger Comstock back in, sharing the cell with John Comstock. I don't want to live in a wiki without Roger Comstock in it. :) - Armaced ( talk) 19:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be some interest in this tree from "The System of the World". I had some free time in Hanover recently, and actually found it! It is the "bush form" of a genetic variant, or maybe a mutation, of the red beech tree. In German, it is called "Teufelsholz" or devilwood, because it could not be used for constructing anything. It's real name in German is Süntelbuche (Fagus sylvatica Suentelensis, or Tortuosa). This gives you the tags to search for. The tree I found in Hannover is in the "Berggarten", if you want to see pictures of the model for Stephenson's tree. It is about 120 years old. There is even a kind of cage "protecting" people from the tree. These trees do not come from the Hartz mountains but from old beech forests, of which the Suenter near Hannover is the one most famous for such trees. Very few remain there however, since many were burnt for firewood or to clear farmland. There is another lovely picture of one, just as I imagined it in the novel, on the German Wikipedia page for Süntelbuche (buschform).
Mynah ( talk) 13:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure Crypto-Jew counts as a "family" within the series. It simply means hidden or secret Jew in the Baroque cycle and Avi, in Cryptonomicon, doesn't meet this description. The only relation between Moseh and Avi is that both are Jewish. 142.1.157.147 ( talk) 19:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Given the sentence copied below, I can't imagine another patriarch for Ari's maternal family other than Moseh de la Cruz. Bridgman ( talk) 17:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
But his mother’s people were unbelievably peculiar New Mexican crypto-Jews who had been living on mesas, dodging Jesuits, shooting rattlesnakes and eating jimsonweed for three hundred years; they looked like Indians and talked like cowboys.
Cryptonomicon, chapter 2
(In some American vernaculars, the word "people" is employed to mean "family," as opposed to race, creed or tribe. e.g. Southern idiomatic question "Where are your people from?", which would be answered by indicating the town or region in which recent generations of one's extended family are/were concentrated.) Bridgman ( talk) 17:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Upon reading this page, someone had stated that a falcy {fallacy} in the book was that gold only has a single isotope. Although this is true, this has nothing to do with the book. The special gold that is stolen in Bonanza in the books is described as a solid state solution (a material disolved in solid gold). The more common word for solid state solution for metals is alloy. Solid solutions are extremely common for minerals in raw form but upon smelting, gold is one of the few metals that commonly found in alloy form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckymikemadziar ( talk • contribs) 16:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this person a reference to Eliza's lover (Bon Bon) and her son? Obviously, they're not the same person because the discrepancy in the their birth dates but perhaps Stephenson was alluding to him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckymikemadziar ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The name applied by the Russian government to any subject of the Greek faith who dissents from the established church. The Raskolniki embrace many sects, whose common characteristic is a clinging to antique traditions, habits, and customs. The schism originated in 1667 in an ecclesiastical dispute as to the correctness of the translation of the religious books. The dissenters, who have been continually persecuted, are believed to number about 20,000,000, although the Holy Synod officially puts the number at about 2,000,000. They are officially divided into three groups according to the degree of their variance from orthodox beliefs and observances, as follows: I. "Most obnoxious." the Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co. Nitpyck ( talk) 06:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
In September, the Enoch Root article was redirected into this one, seemingly without discussion or explanation. This effectively deleted all information, as ER gets one line in the Baroque Cycle article. Bridgman ( talk) 18:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
That article was pretty weak and can be incorporated into the Enoch Root article, but it should have been "decommissioned" with more consideration. Bridgman ( talk) 21:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I'll explain my revert point-by-point:
As far as the above discussions regarding the Enoch Root and Societas Eruditorum articles, I'm not sure if they meet WP:FICT. The novels are obviously notable, but I don't know if there are any reliable, third-party sources that discuss the individual characters or societies. Wyatt Riot ( talk) 06:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
This article is about one of Stephenson's works, not about him, and a photo of him adds nothing to the reader's understanding of the work. The lead already links directly to the article on Stephenson, which has an image of him—to repeat the same image here is more appropriate, as I mentioned elsewhere, to a dust-jacket. I've substituted an image of Wilkins. Hooke and Pepys would be appropriate as well. EEng ( talk) 04:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
My argument against inclusion (and, if I may speak for him, Sadads' as well) wasn't "I don't like it." It was that good articles are not just accretions of arbotrary stuff that happens to be "allowed." Consider the images in Gettysburg Address: Lincoln at Gettysburg; the dead on the Gettysburg battlefield; Edward Everett, who later told Lincoln that Lincoln's short remarks captured the spirit of the occasion so much better than his own lengthy oration; and so on. These enhance the reader's understanding—feeling—of the significance of Lincoln's words.
The following photos might be appropriate for the present article, if available: Stephenson discussing literary treatments of the English Restoration with other authors; Stephenson guest-lecturing before a college audience (interesting stuff about Wilkins and Newton on the blackboard behind him); Stephenson in the Royal Society archives researching historical background—an image having anything to give it more affinity to this particular article than it has to any number of other articles (e.g. those on Stephenson's other works -- will we be adding his picture to all those too?).
Mr. Ken, so far you've only answered arguments no one's made, reminding us first that a photo of the author isn't forbidden (which isn't a reason for inclusion), then that it's "relevant" i.e. not utterly unconnected to the article's topic (probably the weakest conceivable inclusion argument). What you haven't done is indicate how this photo adds to the reader's idea of what he'll find if he opens the book. Not every article needs a "main image," and if there isn't a fitting one, better to have none.
This isn't a big deal—the article isn't ruined one way or the other. But including this photo makes the article more like dust-jacket fluff than an attempt at serious treatment of the books. EEng ( talk) 05:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't talk about what would be good if they were available, go look for some images. If you find something better, that's available and usable per Wiki policy -- put it in, that's what I did. If it really is better, I won't beef. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't have to find a better image in order to say that this one doesn't improve the article and in fact, as an an awkward repetition of the identical image found a click away in the article on Stephenson himself. detracts from it. You're still assuming that something is always better than nothing, but for the nth time, an image of Stephenson here should enhance the reader's appreciation of Baroque, not just satisfy some feeling that every article needs an image, so please explain how this photo does that. Otherwise it doesn't belong. EEng ( talk) 11:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
No response being forthcoming, I am removing the author's photo for the reasons described. EEng ( talk) 19:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Two of us believe the photo is low-value clutter, and for contrast I (somewhat fancifully) exemplified photos which might improve the article. You responded with sarcasm and contiunued misrepresentation of what we've said as being simply IDONTLIKEIT (which, no matter what other editors say, seems to be the only thing you usually hear [1]).
Consensus is reached by good-faith discussion, including substantively addressing the points made by others -- only judges and similar authority figures have the luxury of dismissing others' arguments without saying why. Meanwhile you've dodged explaining what the photo adds to the article.
I have to thank you, though, for your "personal prescription for surviving Wikipedia" [2], wherein I found this gem: When challenged, give it one more try, then drop the effort and go away; it's not worth fighting them... [Wikipedia] has more than its share of rigid, dogmatic, inflexible, unimaginative people who are unwilling or unable to see value in anything except their own fixed ideas.
The scales have fallen from my eyes. Knock yourself out. EEng ( talk) 04:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree -- catches reader's interest. But why, if you were inclined to do something like this (I lack the technical skills), didn't you just skip the sarcasm and do it when we were first talking? EEng ( talk) 16:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC) P.S. Too bad we don't have a photo of Stephenson in a wig too.
(sigh) I'm glad that one way or another the exchange led to a value-adding image for the article. Beyond that, see the italicized quotation from my earlier post. Lieutenant Uhura, end subspace transmission! [bloop!] EEng ( talk) 18:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
A couple of reasons for this:
Sorry forgot to leave a note here, but I removed the merge tags as there is strong consensus here to keep them separate. AIRcorn (talk) 20:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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Redirected The Baroque Cycle (novel) to here under the assumption that there is no other Baroque Cycle other than the novel of that name. - Tim Shell
All the links in the "Main Characters" section are just circular redirects back to the article. If these characters have articles of their own, the links should be fixed; if not, they should not be links but just plain text. 76.118.82.108 ( talk) 04:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
There is a pretty big mistake in this series. The IJsselmeer does not exist in 1600 something. It only was created in 1932. Also the capitalisation is incorrect, as that of IJ. Anyway thoughts on where and how to hack this in to one the entries regarding this bookseries. Spearhead 14:47, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Slavery did not exist in France (colonies excluded) during the 17th century — "nulle personne n'est esclave en ce royaume" — so Abigail cannot be kept there in slavery by Lord Upnor. Such was, presumably, the positive law, but that doesn't mean that Lord Upnor could not possibly have managed to do so in fact. Nit-pickingly, you could call it false imprisonment rather than slavery, but the effect for Abigail wouldn't have been much different. 194.109.198.99 18:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
"that fine golden beer from Pilsen," (I, p. 421). The beer we call Pilsener wasn't invented until the 19th century. So there was no beer in Pilsen before then? DaddyWarlock ( talk) 12:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC) There was beer in Pilsen, but not the pilsner type, which is really the invention of the 19th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.135.83.232 ( talk) 18:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
"Daniel Waterhouse founds a fledging "Massachusetts Bay Colony Institute of Technologickal Arts" that is strongly implied to be the ancestor of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, when in fact MIT was founded in 1861." This is incorrect. Waterhouse's Institute gets shut down near the end of System of the World. DaddyWarlock ( talk) 12:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
"Solomon - Anachronistic, Travelling as Solomen Kohan" Is it implied in the books that Kohan is in fact King Solomon? I never noticed that or came across it in any analysis.
Two relevant passages
Wikipedia forbids speculation, but what to do when the author is engaging in speculation, not about his own work, but as part of the work itself? Bear in mind that NS stacked Cryptonomicon and the Baroque Cycle with countless celebrity walk-ons, including "speaking roles" for four sitting or future British monarchs (James II, Wm III, Geo I and his daughter-in-law Queen Caroline) and Louis XIV of France, so one more head of state would hardly be a stretch, immortal or otherwise.
During lulls they engaged in Solomon Kohan’s idea of small talk:
“This is an interesting place.”
“I am pleased you find it interesting.”
“It puts me in mind of an operation I used to have in Jerusalem a long time ago.”
“Now that you mention it, the full name of the Templars was the Knights of the Temple of Solomon. So if you are that Solomon—”
“Do not play word games with me. I refer, not to this hole in the ground, which is but an indifferent crypt for long-forgotten knights, but to what lies over.”
“The Court of Technologickal Arts?”
“If that is what you call it.”
“What would you call it?”
“A temple.”
The System of the World, pp. 607-608 (hardback), italics are those of the author.
Daniel now gave a few moments’ thought to whether he should try to introduce Solomon, and how; but Isaac had got to his feet and stalked away. As Isaac went out the tavern-door he brushed past a chap who was coming in. Though this was not the most noble person who had ever set foot in the establishment (an honor that would have to go to Peter, or—who knows?—Solomon), he was unquestionably the best-dressed, and identifiable, from a thousand yards, as a courtier.
ibid, p. 614. Bridgman ( talk) 17:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Why does this entry tell us that witch-hangings were a "vestige of the Middle Ages", when in fact the Middle Ages were one of the few periods in history when supposed witches were *not* routinely executed? The major periods of witch executions were antiquity and early modern times, specifically the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries - in other words, shortly before the action of the novels. 90.197.127.144 15:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Given that these novels are a work of fantasy-fiction, not history, I think it's a bit strong to call these discrepancies 'Errors'. We simply don't know which elements are 'wrong' because Stephenson deliberately manipulated history for the sake of the story, and which are due to his lack of knowledge. We might make a reasonable guess in some cases, but if we're to call them all errors, we might as well add to the list the facts that Newton didn't really bunk-up with Daniel Waterhouse, there is no known elixir that will revive someone from death, and people don't live as long as Enoch Root. -- DudeGalea 14:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I changed Comstock to Silver Comstock, and also Roger Comstock to John Comstock. I thought this befitted the background... Any suggestions? Thereforethelordgod 05:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I recommend removing the "Silver" from the Comstock row and adding Roger Comstock back in, sharing the cell with John Comstock. I don't want to live in a wiki without Roger Comstock in it. :) - Armaced ( talk) 19:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be some interest in this tree from "The System of the World". I had some free time in Hanover recently, and actually found it! It is the "bush form" of a genetic variant, or maybe a mutation, of the red beech tree. In German, it is called "Teufelsholz" or devilwood, because it could not be used for constructing anything. It's real name in German is Süntelbuche (Fagus sylvatica Suentelensis, or Tortuosa). This gives you the tags to search for. The tree I found in Hannover is in the "Berggarten", if you want to see pictures of the model for Stephenson's tree. It is about 120 years old. There is even a kind of cage "protecting" people from the tree. These trees do not come from the Hartz mountains but from old beech forests, of which the Suenter near Hannover is the one most famous for such trees. Very few remain there however, since many were burnt for firewood or to clear farmland. There is another lovely picture of one, just as I imagined it in the novel, on the German Wikipedia page for Süntelbuche (buschform).
Mynah ( talk) 13:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure Crypto-Jew counts as a "family" within the series. It simply means hidden or secret Jew in the Baroque cycle and Avi, in Cryptonomicon, doesn't meet this description. The only relation between Moseh and Avi is that both are Jewish. 142.1.157.147 ( talk) 19:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Given the sentence copied below, I can't imagine another patriarch for Ari's maternal family other than Moseh de la Cruz. Bridgman ( talk) 17:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
But his mother’s people were unbelievably peculiar New Mexican crypto-Jews who had been living on mesas, dodging Jesuits, shooting rattlesnakes and eating jimsonweed for three hundred years; they looked like Indians and talked like cowboys.
Cryptonomicon, chapter 2
(In some American vernaculars, the word "people" is employed to mean "family," as opposed to race, creed or tribe. e.g. Southern idiomatic question "Where are your people from?", which would be answered by indicating the town or region in which recent generations of one's extended family are/were concentrated.) Bridgman ( talk) 17:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Upon reading this page, someone had stated that a falcy {fallacy} in the book was that gold only has a single isotope. Although this is true, this has nothing to do with the book. The special gold that is stolen in Bonanza in the books is described as a solid state solution (a material disolved in solid gold). The more common word for solid state solution for metals is alloy. Solid solutions are extremely common for minerals in raw form but upon smelting, gold is one of the few metals that commonly found in alloy form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckymikemadziar ( talk • contribs) 16:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this person a reference to Eliza's lover (Bon Bon) and her son? Obviously, they're not the same person because the discrepancy in the their birth dates but perhaps Stephenson was alluding to him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luckymikemadziar ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The name applied by the Russian government to any subject of the Greek faith who dissents from the established church. The Raskolniki embrace many sects, whose common characteristic is a clinging to antique traditions, habits, and customs. The schism originated in 1667 in an ecclesiastical dispute as to the correctness of the translation of the religious books. The dissenters, who have been continually persecuted, are believed to number about 20,000,000, although the Holy Synod officially puts the number at about 2,000,000. They are officially divided into three groups according to the degree of their variance from orthodox beliefs and observances, as follows: I. "Most obnoxious." the Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co. Nitpyck ( talk) 06:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
In September, the Enoch Root article was redirected into this one, seemingly without discussion or explanation. This effectively deleted all information, as ER gets one line in the Baroque Cycle article. Bridgman ( talk) 18:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
That article was pretty weak and can be incorporated into the Enoch Root article, but it should have been "decommissioned" with more consideration. Bridgman ( talk) 21:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I'll explain my revert point-by-point:
As far as the above discussions regarding the Enoch Root and Societas Eruditorum articles, I'm not sure if they meet WP:FICT. The novels are obviously notable, but I don't know if there are any reliable, third-party sources that discuss the individual characters or societies. Wyatt Riot ( talk) 06:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
This article is about one of Stephenson's works, not about him, and a photo of him adds nothing to the reader's understanding of the work. The lead already links directly to the article on Stephenson, which has an image of him—to repeat the same image here is more appropriate, as I mentioned elsewhere, to a dust-jacket. I've substituted an image of Wilkins. Hooke and Pepys would be appropriate as well. EEng ( talk) 04:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
My argument against inclusion (and, if I may speak for him, Sadads' as well) wasn't "I don't like it." It was that good articles are not just accretions of arbotrary stuff that happens to be "allowed." Consider the images in Gettysburg Address: Lincoln at Gettysburg; the dead on the Gettysburg battlefield; Edward Everett, who later told Lincoln that Lincoln's short remarks captured the spirit of the occasion so much better than his own lengthy oration; and so on. These enhance the reader's understanding—feeling—of the significance of Lincoln's words.
The following photos might be appropriate for the present article, if available: Stephenson discussing literary treatments of the English Restoration with other authors; Stephenson guest-lecturing before a college audience (interesting stuff about Wilkins and Newton on the blackboard behind him); Stephenson in the Royal Society archives researching historical background—an image having anything to give it more affinity to this particular article than it has to any number of other articles (e.g. those on Stephenson's other works -- will we be adding his picture to all those too?).
Mr. Ken, so far you've only answered arguments no one's made, reminding us first that a photo of the author isn't forbidden (which isn't a reason for inclusion), then that it's "relevant" i.e. not utterly unconnected to the article's topic (probably the weakest conceivable inclusion argument). What you haven't done is indicate how this photo adds to the reader's idea of what he'll find if he opens the book. Not every article needs a "main image," and if there isn't a fitting one, better to have none.
This isn't a big deal—the article isn't ruined one way or the other. But including this photo makes the article more like dust-jacket fluff than an attempt at serious treatment of the books. EEng ( talk) 05:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't talk about what would be good if they were available, go look for some images. If you find something better, that's available and usable per Wiki policy -- put it in, that's what I did. If it really is better, I won't beef. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't have to find a better image in order to say that this one doesn't improve the article and in fact, as an an awkward repetition of the identical image found a click away in the article on Stephenson himself. detracts from it. You're still assuming that something is always better than nothing, but for the nth time, an image of Stephenson here should enhance the reader's appreciation of Baroque, not just satisfy some feeling that every article needs an image, so please explain how this photo does that. Otherwise it doesn't belong. EEng ( talk) 11:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
No response being forthcoming, I am removing the author's photo for the reasons described. EEng ( talk) 19:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Two of us believe the photo is low-value clutter, and for contrast I (somewhat fancifully) exemplified photos which might improve the article. You responded with sarcasm and contiunued misrepresentation of what we've said as being simply IDONTLIKEIT (which, no matter what other editors say, seems to be the only thing you usually hear [1]).
Consensus is reached by good-faith discussion, including substantively addressing the points made by others -- only judges and similar authority figures have the luxury of dismissing others' arguments without saying why. Meanwhile you've dodged explaining what the photo adds to the article.
I have to thank you, though, for your "personal prescription for surviving Wikipedia" [2], wherein I found this gem: When challenged, give it one more try, then drop the effort and go away; it's not worth fighting them... [Wikipedia] has more than its share of rigid, dogmatic, inflexible, unimaginative people who are unwilling or unable to see value in anything except their own fixed ideas.
The scales have fallen from my eyes. Knock yourself out. EEng ( talk) 04:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree -- catches reader's interest. But why, if you were inclined to do something like this (I lack the technical skills), didn't you just skip the sarcasm and do it when we were first talking? EEng ( talk) 16:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC) P.S. Too bad we don't have a photo of Stephenson in a wig too.
(sigh) I'm glad that one way or another the exchange led to a value-adding image for the article. Beyond that, see the italicized quotation from my earlier post. Lieutenant Uhura, end subspace transmission! [bloop!] EEng ( talk) 18:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
A couple of reasons for this:
Sorry forgot to leave a note here, but I removed the merge tags as there is strong consensus here to keep them separate. AIRcorn (talk) 20:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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