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Why is here not present any discussion of the pseudo-scientific nature of this work? Or is it so obvious that it is wrong in many respects, so that there is no need to discuss these points? Thanks, -Marc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.191.171 ( talk) 6 october 2009 (UTC)
Aryan is just a linguistic term. There is no such thing as aryan race. For 600 years north india was under slavery of muslims and then british kept them as slaves. According to british entire India is a slave race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.174.210 ( talk) 05:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Haha, that was a humorous read, so the Aryans were wondering round the north pole and referencing River Indus and Saraswati thousands of miles away. not likely. And yes Aryan is a linguistic term for learned nobles indigenous to Indus Valley and the 30 or so sites found dating thousands of years before Max Mullers date of a so called Aryan Invasion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.174.210 ( talk • contribs) 6 august 2011 (UTC)
The article says, "It propounded the theory that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during pre-glacial period which they had to leave due to the ice deluge around 8000 B.C. and had to migrate to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia in search of lands for new settlements."
This is not correct and this is not what Tilak mentioned. Pre-glacial period in Northern Eurasia was around 18,000 BC. People residing there moved southwards at that time. There is no record of their wanderings till about 6,000 BC when they are inMoldavia/Ukraine region (Bug-Dniester culture). Around 12,000 BC the glaciers started retreating and some of the displaced people moved back northwards. Other people, however, continued in their wanderings.
Gimbutas time-line of Indo-European cultures: Bug-Dniester (6th millennium), Samara (5th millennium), Kvalynsk (5th millennium), Sredny Stog (mid-5th to mid-4th millennia), Dnieper-Donets (5th to 4th millennia), Usatovo culture (late 4th millennium), Maikop-Dereivka (mid-4th to mid-3rd millennia), Yamna (Pit Grave): This is itself a varied cultural horizon, spanning the entire Pontic-Caspian steppe from the mid-4th to the 3rd millennium BC. ( /info/en/?search=Kurgan_hypothesis#Timeline)
Tilak may not have been correct at all time and what he said should be considered in the light of modern findings. Aupmanyav ( talk) 13:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I see a number of stores selling it but have trouble finding independent reviews about the book. The influence section is a start as this could help to established the book's notability and perhaps find constructive criticism, but what's currently there is minimal. It makes me wonder if the book is notable. The article mostly needs rewriting based on independent sources. If those can't be found, the article could only become a stub, ultimately. — Paleo Neonate – 19:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Shnirelman, Archaeology, Russian Nationalism, and the "Arctic Homeland" in Selective Remembrances: Archaeology in the Construction, Commemoration, and Consecration of National Pasts, P. L. Kohl, M. Kozelsky, N. Ben-Yehuda (eds.), 2008, University of Chicago Press. Contains an exposition on the influance of the idea of an Arctic Homeland on some Russian researchers. See also http://www.knt.org.ru/Jarnikova%201.htm, a Russian site with links to related articles. See also Marek Zvelebil (1995), Indo-European origins and the agricultural transition in Europe", Whither Archaeology?: papers in honour of Evžen Neustupný. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I think this article deserves a mention that the Fatyanovo culture turned out to be Z93. -- 95.24.70.23 ( talk) 09:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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Why is here not present any discussion of the pseudo-scientific nature of this work? Or is it so obvious that it is wrong in many respects, so that there is no need to discuss these points? Thanks, -Marc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.191.171 ( talk) 6 october 2009 (UTC)
Aryan is just a linguistic term. There is no such thing as aryan race. For 600 years north india was under slavery of muslims and then british kept them as slaves. According to british entire India is a slave race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.174.210 ( talk) 05:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Haha, that was a humorous read, so the Aryans were wondering round the north pole and referencing River Indus and Saraswati thousands of miles away. not likely. And yes Aryan is a linguistic term for learned nobles indigenous to Indus Valley and the 30 or so sites found dating thousands of years before Max Mullers date of a so called Aryan Invasion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.174.210 ( talk • contribs) 6 august 2011 (UTC)
The article says, "It propounded the theory that the North Pole was the original home of Aryans during pre-glacial period which they had to leave due to the ice deluge around 8000 B.C. and had to migrate to the Northern parts of Europe and Asia in search of lands for new settlements."
This is not correct and this is not what Tilak mentioned. Pre-glacial period in Northern Eurasia was around 18,000 BC. People residing there moved southwards at that time. There is no record of their wanderings till about 6,000 BC when they are inMoldavia/Ukraine region (Bug-Dniester culture). Around 12,000 BC the glaciers started retreating and some of the displaced people moved back northwards. Other people, however, continued in their wanderings.
Gimbutas time-line of Indo-European cultures: Bug-Dniester (6th millennium), Samara (5th millennium), Kvalynsk (5th millennium), Sredny Stog (mid-5th to mid-4th millennia), Dnieper-Donets (5th to 4th millennia), Usatovo culture (late 4th millennium), Maikop-Dereivka (mid-4th to mid-3rd millennia), Yamna (Pit Grave): This is itself a varied cultural horizon, spanning the entire Pontic-Caspian steppe from the mid-4th to the 3rd millennium BC. ( /info/en/?search=Kurgan_hypothesis#Timeline)
Tilak may not have been correct at all time and what he said should be considered in the light of modern findings. Aupmanyav ( talk) 13:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I see a number of stores selling it but have trouble finding independent reviews about the book. The influence section is a start as this could help to established the book's notability and perhaps find constructive criticism, but what's currently there is minimal. It makes me wonder if the book is notable. The article mostly needs rewriting based on independent sources. If those can't be found, the article could only become a stub, ultimately. — Paleo Neonate – 19:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Shnirelman, Archaeology, Russian Nationalism, and the "Arctic Homeland" in Selective Remembrances: Archaeology in the Construction, Commemoration, and Consecration of National Pasts, P. L. Kohl, M. Kozelsky, N. Ben-Yehuda (eds.), 2008, University of Chicago Press. Contains an exposition on the influance of the idea of an Arctic Homeland on some Russian researchers. See also http://www.knt.org.ru/Jarnikova%201.htm, a Russian site with links to related articles. See also Marek Zvelebil (1995), Indo-European origins and the agricultural transition in Europe", Whither Archaeology?: papers in honour of Evžen Neustupný. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I think this article deserves a mention that the Fatyanovo culture turned out to be Z93. -- 95.24.70.23 ( talk) 09:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)