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lol could this article represent the absolute rediculous nature of Wikipedia anymore? I mean, it's a glorified PR puff piece. Why am I not surprised given the pathetic excuse for a website that Wikipedia is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.210.31 ( talk) 16:33, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Good to see all sorts of stuff appearing on this page, too - been meaning to write up GU Talk for some time, looks like a critical mass of GU usiong Wikipedians is being reached. And we need that lsit of users on there! -- Vodex 01:01, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
Agree with MynameisClare - any addition of 'much loved' or 'prominent' posters will be far too subjective and/or will eventually become completely unwieldy. The entry is better off without it. -- OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 14:50, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I think maybe the best thing to do would be to edit out mentions of specific posters, otherwise people will just use it for ego tripping and point scoring - Moist
I disagree. Perhaps we should name GUTalk posters, their multiple usernames, their positionss etc.
The following is from the Guardian's talk page:
Note, They have a forum which has many virtues. many erudite posters, but... is extremely poorly moderated. For instance, they have two 'policies' pages, one is extremely liberal (the one which is available from the ordinary users pages) and has four elements. The worst censure there is is "ocassional" removal of text, which "they really hate to do". They have another, hidden ( if one sees the first (s)he will not expect a second ) much longer and leads to banning at the drop of a hat. I've seen gangs of posters hunting down and mercilessly harrasing individuals with no response from mods after complaints. When the offended returns the offense (s)he is banned. No sense of context, no even hand, capricious acts of destruction, give the guardian a bad name. Thus an instutution of potentially great global signifigance is whittled down to a shadow of it's potential. If only the Guardian would take moderation seriously, we might expect great things from their 'talkboards'. Wblakesx
I'd like to expand on the infamously dodgy moderation, but don't know how to without appearing biased or whiny. Any ideas? -- Vodex 01:01, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I notice constant reference to ModeratorS, to the best of my knowledge (and this was confirmed a few years ago by a job advert for the post), there is only one talk moderator at any one time. -- Charlesknight (formerly monarch before I got very bored and in a night of fun got banned for posting whatever thread titles that people wanted). 18:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Once the current flurry of editing dies down (hello Havenites), this is going to need some serious editing, NPOVing and generally making more like an encyclopaedia article and less like a GU talk fansite. -- OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 14:50, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I suspected we'd get a lot of vandalism, but we're also getting a lot of good raw matter that couldn't be produced by us dust-smelling academics alone - even if we dohave to contend with them pesky gaymo gags being slipped in.
-- Vodex 19:45, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
"There is a strong focus on controversial international issues, and in particular there is a lot of erudite, well-informed and civilised debate about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict". Whoever wrote this has his or her tongue firmly in cheek. Jhobson1 ( talk) 13:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
[pgb] Shouldn't there be some mention of the constant bickering re religion and atheism in the issues folder - it's an reasonably settled aspect of the GUT culture, something that partly characterised it imho?
Yep, I'll add. -- Vodex 19:45, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
The Barefoot Doctor's use of the title "Doctor" is unwarranted. Does he have a degree in medicine or PhD? Not sure why this has been edited to remove this "POV".
OK, now this has settled down, here are a few proposed changes. Comments from current GUtalkers welcome (I haven't been a regular there for a couple of years):
Thoughts? -- OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 16:50, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
The other point about Capitalist Money Madness AFAIK those numbers at the end are real, 5000+ would seem to make it pretty prominent. -- Charlesknight 17:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Are you all just lurkers or reglar GUTalk posters? BTW, why is this Wiki entry mostly Haven-focused?
--badnewswade--: Capitalist Money Madness is grate, don't you dare change it!
Do you think this site should link to Guardian Unlimited talk on Wikipedia as that redirects to the GU page. Also should there be a mention of Guardian America, as it is part of GU Smallbig 07:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Guardian Unlimited was created in 1999, not 1998 as a change by 206.64.224.127 stated. Looking at Archive.org [1] pages are shown as early as 1996, but not under the GU name. The Guardian history timeline also confirms this. [2] AL2 11:17, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
I see Reverred and remembered ex-posters has been removed, but since hoib's obit made the main paper, maybe worth a short paragraph about him?
Er.. I agree :P but I'm not knowledgable enough to even be bold and start something.-- Vodex 21:11, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
How about a "dead posters" section? There's one or two now. It seems fitting, in a way, given how ephemeral the boards are. Or perhaps their ephemeral nature is their value.
I've used the GU talk pages since 2000 and never heard it referred to as Where are the Wings. I think this is bollocks. I won't remove it though unless someone else agrees. -- Wikipediatastic 14:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree! I have never heard it reffered to with that name. I will remove that in 7 days if no one disagrees Smallbig 07:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I added the fact, that GU changed its design in May 2007. Can please somebody make a new screenshot (my screen has only 14") of the GU frontpage and put the "old" one to somewhere else in the article? thx Anschub 17:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Er... "Since May 2007, "Guardian Unlimited" has begun a gradual process of changing its design, starting with the front page" It actually started with the whole of the travel subsection http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel and in November 2006. Calmeilles 14:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that the "Unlimited" seems to have disappeared from the Guardian site, and it now seems to be only called "guardian.co.uk". So should the article now be renamed "guardian.co.uk"? Also, the initial "g" appears to be always lower case as per this (even at the start of a sentence), so the {{lowercase}} tag should be used if it is to be renamed.-- 81.157.176.42 ( talk) 04:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Moved as there is no consensus to keep page at the current name. -- Philip Baird Shearer ( talk) 12:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Guardian Unlimited → guardian.co.uk — The site has been rebranded. — roddie digital ( talk) 23:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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Just want to raise something: GU Talk is clearly decreasingly important to guardian.co.uk as time goes on. It's not in the navigation and the links on the front page don't work, and haven't for some time. There are no longer links to talkboards started by Guardian staff, indeed it's a long time since I saw any talkboards by guardian staff. I wonder if it should be spun off from the main guardian.co.uk entry or severely edited, if not deleted from the entry altogether. Also suggest bringing Comment is Free into this entry as it seems to have replaced talk in the hearts of the Guardian staff. Douglasi ( talk) 13:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Have also just noticed that Talk hasn't been included in the supposedly now complete redesign of guardian.co.uk, which I think is further evidence of its irrelevance to the rest of the network. Douglasi ( talk) 13:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
This section of the site doesn't even exist any more, so I'm marking this thread as moot. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 21:10, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
They were closed down a couple of days ago. [3] Someone obviously isn't happy, as they posted the following which I removed:
At 17.30 GMT on 25 February 2011, the last Moderator to leave Guardian Towers pulled the plug from the server computer (popularly known as "the hamster") and shut down the talkboards which had been online for over a decade. It was also the view of most that The Guardian in closing down the talkboard without warning or consultation were a bunch of gritpypes. The closure was done without any warning to users; however, an alternative site using similar software had already been set up and a link registered as http://www.thegraun.com so many old users were able to re-register with the new site. There are also two Facebook groups, "Exiles from GUTalk" and "GuardianTalkExiles".
Perhaps the talkboards and their closure could be mentioned briefly in a balanced way, referring to reliable sources, but this is not how to do it. Fences& Windows 21:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
CiF moderators are indiscriminately using bans to remove comments, that straining too much from official truth. For example, now they are banning for mentions of NATO troops participating in Tripoli battle. And it's not just ban, it's also removing of ALL comments of a person, without trace, and without giving a reason, to cover up what they did.
Here is the proof: [ [4]] Search for "Havenofear". He is quoted eight times, including once by guardian employee [ [5]]. But not a single post remains.
Please, others who have evidence, add to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaporized ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, they have a censorship policy which is nothing like what they claim it to be in their guidelines. They won't allow me to post anything linking the Israeli lobby to the invasion of Iraq for example. They are arbitruary and dishonest in their censorship - it's certainly not a place for "free" speech. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.33.83 ( talk) 20:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Today at The Illustrated Mum#References I have provided these two references for the 2000 Guardian Prize.
One specifies The Guardian and the other guardian.co.uk, literally following official usage (follow the links). I guess those distinguish articles that appeared in print and web-only articles. Does anyone know?
Previously I have noticed the variant "nominal names" and faithfully used them in formal references. The number will increase this month so I will be grateful to know the truth or to think that I know it. -- P64 ( talk) 22:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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User:SMcCandlish: 'free', here, was being used to say 'free of charge', so was correct. Freely implies something else. You can say that something can be done 'free', just not 'for free'. - Sb2001 talk page 12:30, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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And please drop this prescriptive grammar imposition stuff about "correct" and "you can say this but not that". One certainly can say "for free"; millions of people do it every day. It's simply not a construction you prefer. It's probably not a great one to use in an encyclopedia, but Wikipedia is not a place for grammatical campaigning of any kind. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 09:27, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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lol could this article represent the absolute rediculous nature of Wikipedia anymore? I mean, it's a glorified PR puff piece. Why am I not surprised given the pathetic excuse for a website that Wikipedia is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.210.31 ( talk) 16:33, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Good to see all sorts of stuff appearing on this page, too - been meaning to write up GU Talk for some time, looks like a critical mass of GU usiong Wikipedians is being reached. And we need that lsit of users on there! -- Vodex 01:01, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
Agree with MynameisClare - any addition of 'much loved' or 'prominent' posters will be far too subjective and/or will eventually become completely unwieldy. The entry is better off without it. -- OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 14:50, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I think maybe the best thing to do would be to edit out mentions of specific posters, otherwise people will just use it for ego tripping and point scoring - Moist
I disagree. Perhaps we should name GUTalk posters, their multiple usernames, their positionss etc.
The following is from the Guardian's talk page:
Note, They have a forum which has many virtues. many erudite posters, but... is extremely poorly moderated. For instance, they have two 'policies' pages, one is extremely liberal (the one which is available from the ordinary users pages) and has four elements. The worst censure there is is "ocassional" removal of text, which "they really hate to do". They have another, hidden ( if one sees the first (s)he will not expect a second ) much longer and leads to banning at the drop of a hat. I've seen gangs of posters hunting down and mercilessly harrasing individuals with no response from mods after complaints. When the offended returns the offense (s)he is banned. No sense of context, no even hand, capricious acts of destruction, give the guardian a bad name. Thus an instutution of potentially great global signifigance is whittled down to a shadow of it's potential. If only the Guardian would take moderation seriously, we might expect great things from their 'talkboards'. Wblakesx
I'd like to expand on the infamously dodgy moderation, but don't know how to without appearing biased or whiny. Any ideas? -- Vodex 01:01, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I notice constant reference to ModeratorS, to the best of my knowledge (and this was confirmed a few years ago by a job advert for the post), there is only one talk moderator at any one time. -- Charlesknight (formerly monarch before I got very bored and in a night of fun got banned for posting whatever thread titles that people wanted). 18:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Once the current flurry of editing dies down (hello Havenites), this is going to need some serious editing, NPOVing and generally making more like an encyclopaedia article and less like a GU talk fansite. -- OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 14:50, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I suspected we'd get a lot of vandalism, but we're also getting a lot of good raw matter that couldn't be produced by us dust-smelling academics alone - even if we dohave to contend with them pesky gaymo gags being slipped in.
-- Vodex 19:45, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
"There is a strong focus on controversial international issues, and in particular there is a lot of erudite, well-informed and civilised debate about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict". Whoever wrote this has his or her tongue firmly in cheek. Jhobson1 ( talk) 13:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
[pgb] Shouldn't there be some mention of the constant bickering re religion and atheism in the issues folder - it's an reasonably settled aspect of the GUT culture, something that partly characterised it imho?
Yep, I'll add. -- Vodex 19:45, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
The Barefoot Doctor's use of the title "Doctor" is unwarranted. Does he have a degree in medicine or PhD? Not sure why this has been edited to remove this "POV".
OK, now this has settled down, here are a few proposed changes. Comments from current GUtalkers welcome (I haven't been a regular there for a couple of years):
Thoughts? -- OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 16:50, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
The other point about Capitalist Money Madness AFAIK those numbers at the end are real, 5000+ would seem to make it pretty prominent. -- Charlesknight 17:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Are you all just lurkers or reglar GUTalk posters? BTW, why is this Wiki entry mostly Haven-focused?
--badnewswade--: Capitalist Money Madness is grate, don't you dare change it!
Do you think this site should link to Guardian Unlimited talk on Wikipedia as that redirects to the GU page. Also should there be a mention of Guardian America, as it is part of GU Smallbig 07:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Guardian Unlimited was created in 1999, not 1998 as a change by 206.64.224.127 stated. Looking at Archive.org [1] pages are shown as early as 1996, but not under the GU name. The Guardian history timeline also confirms this. [2] AL2 11:17, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
I see Reverred and remembered ex-posters has been removed, but since hoib's obit made the main paper, maybe worth a short paragraph about him?
Er.. I agree :P but I'm not knowledgable enough to even be bold and start something.-- Vodex 21:11, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
How about a "dead posters" section? There's one or two now. It seems fitting, in a way, given how ephemeral the boards are. Or perhaps their ephemeral nature is their value.
I've used the GU talk pages since 2000 and never heard it referred to as Where are the Wings. I think this is bollocks. I won't remove it though unless someone else agrees. -- Wikipediatastic 14:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree! I have never heard it reffered to with that name. I will remove that in 7 days if no one disagrees Smallbig 07:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I added the fact, that GU changed its design in May 2007. Can please somebody make a new screenshot (my screen has only 14") of the GU frontpage and put the "old" one to somewhere else in the article? thx Anschub 17:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Er... "Since May 2007, "Guardian Unlimited" has begun a gradual process of changing its design, starting with the front page" It actually started with the whole of the travel subsection http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel and in November 2006. Calmeilles 14:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that the "Unlimited" seems to have disappeared from the Guardian site, and it now seems to be only called "guardian.co.uk". So should the article now be renamed "guardian.co.uk"? Also, the initial "g" appears to be always lower case as per this (even at the start of a sentence), so the {{lowercase}} tag should be used if it is to be renamed.-- 81.157.176.42 ( talk) 04:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Moved as there is no consensus to keep page at the current name. -- Philip Baird Shearer ( talk) 12:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Guardian Unlimited → guardian.co.uk — The site has been rebranded. — roddie digital ( talk) 23:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.Hi, the title of the page doesn't have to be the "official" name. I understand that it's better to name the article after what people would know it as -- so "Guardian Website" might be appropriate. Also, "Guardian America" should probably stay named as it is. This is how I understand WP:NC. Sam Staton ( talk) 18:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Just want to raise something: GU Talk is clearly decreasingly important to guardian.co.uk as time goes on. It's not in the navigation and the links on the front page don't work, and haven't for some time. There are no longer links to talkboards started by Guardian staff, indeed it's a long time since I saw any talkboards by guardian staff. I wonder if it should be spun off from the main guardian.co.uk entry or severely edited, if not deleted from the entry altogether. Also suggest bringing Comment is Free into this entry as it seems to have replaced talk in the hearts of the Guardian staff. Douglasi ( talk) 13:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Have also just noticed that Talk hasn't been included in the supposedly now complete redesign of guardian.co.uk, which I think is further evidence of its irrelevance to the rest of the network. Douglasi ( talk) 13:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
This section of the site doesn't even exist any more, so I'm marking this thread as moot. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 21:10, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
They were closed down a couple of days ago. [3] Someone obviously isn't happy, as they posted the following which I removed:
At 17.30 GMT on 25 February 2011, the last Moderator to leave Guardian Towers pulled the plug from the server computer (popularly known as "the hamster") and shut down the talkboards which had been online for over a decade. It was also the view of most that The Guardian in closing down the talkboard without warning or consultation were a bunch of gritpypes. The closure was done without any warning to users; however, an alternative site using similar software had already been set up and a link registered as http://www.thegraun.com so many old users were able to re-register with the new site. There are also two Facebook groups, "Exiles from GUTalk" and "GuardianTalkExiles".
Perhaps the talkboards and their closure could be mentioned briefly in a balanced way, referring to reliable sources, but this is not how to do it. Fences& Windows 21:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
CiF moderators are indiscriminately using bans to remove comments, that straining too much from official truth. For example, now they are banning for mentions of NATO troops participating in Tripoli battle. And it's not just ban, it's also removing of ALL comments of a person, without trace, and without giving a reason, to cover up what they did.
Here is the proof: [ [4]] Search for "Havenofear". He is quoted eight times, including once by guardian employee [ [5]]. But not a single post remains.
Please, others who have evidence, add to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaporized ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, they have a censorship policy which is nothing like what they claim it to be in their guidelines. They won't allow me to post anything linking the Israeli lobby to the invasion of Iraq for example. They are arbitruary and dishonest in their censorship - it's certainly not a place for "free" speech. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.33.83 ( talk) 20:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Today at The Illustrated Mum#References I have provided these two references for the 2000 Guardian Prize.
One specifies The Guardian and the other guardian.co.uk, literally following official usage (follow the links). I guess those distinguish articles that appeared in print and web-only articles. Does anyone know?
Previously I have noticed the variant "nominal names" and faithfully used them in formal references. The number will increase this month so I will be grateful to know the truth or to think that I know it. -- P64 ( talk) 22:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:05, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
User:SMcCandlish: 'free', here, was being used to say 'free of charge', so was correct. Freely implies something else. You can say that something can be done 'free', just not 'for free'. - Sb2001 talk page 12:30, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Off-topic; if someone has sources against the use of "for free", they can use them at the
Gratis versus libre article; has nothing to do with this article.
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And please drop this prescriptive grammar imposition stuff about "correct" and "you can say this but not that". One certainly can say "for free"; millions of people do it every day. It's simply not a construction you prefer. It's probably not a great one to use in an encyclopedia, but Wikipedia is not a place for grammatical campaigning of any kind. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 09:27, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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This article previously claimed that the Guardian uses "sports" rather than "sport" to refer to that section of its website. This is not true, and can be verified at https://www.theguardian.com/uk/sport. Cheers. – Pee Jay 18:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)