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Govia have indicated that the former First Capital Connect part of the Thameslink Southern & Great Northern franchise will be rebranded as Thameslink, with the Southern and Gatwick Express parts of the franchise to retain their separate identities. [1]
Thus think this article should focus on that part of the franchise, in much the same way as the two parts of the current Southern franchise retain separate articles. D47817 ( talk) 04:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Thameslink_move - mattbuck ( Talk) 07:47, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
{{ subst:RMtalk|Thameslink (train operating company)|Article name was in use for a company that traded between 1997 and 2006. A new company will commence using the same name in September 2014. It was agreed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Thameslink move that the new company should take the existing article name and the existing article be renamed Thameslink (train operating company 1997-2006) and all of the existing wikilinks be redirected, this has been actioned.}}
— Preceding unsigned comment added by D47817 ( talk • contribs)
This has now been resolved as the name has been confirmed as Govia Thameslink Railway. Simply south .... .. time, department skies for just 8 years 18:55, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm proposing that we split this article in order to have separate articles for the Thameslink and Great Northern brands. They are listed separately in the train operators navigation box, and are essentially two different sets of operations mixed together at present. I have already separated the fleet table for each brand, to help find out which brand uses which type of rolling stock. Separating the articles will allow readers to find out about the individual operations far more easily than they can now. Each brand of GTR will then have its own individual article: Thameslink, Great Northern, Southern and Gatwick Express. Cloudbound ( talk) 21:33, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Oppose as they are strictly speaking one franchise. If they were two, then maybe, but not right at this moment, they are not. NordicDragon Talkpage 14:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Massively in favour, as they have quite different routes, rolling stock, performance, etc. Also, it seems to be usual on Wikipedia for different brands of the same parent company to have their own page, eg. Waitrose and John Lewis (department store). Also, if we think all routes operated by one franchise should be on the same page, then why isn't Southern included in this page??? Either there should be 3 separate pages for the 3 brands, or 1 page for the whole franchise. At the moment, it's neither one nor the other, which doesn't make sense. So that makes it 2 votes each way. Any other views? Mmitchell10 ( talk) 09:23, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Noticing both the irregularity of this page, and the previous attempt to merge this article into its respective counterparts back in 2016 (unclear consensus), I decided to open this new discussion.
This article, as stated in the lead paragraph, focuses on the brands of Thameslink and Great Northern - "Thameslink and Great Northern are the brand names used by the Govia Thameslink Railway train operating company on the Thameslink and Great Northern routes..." - as a single unit with brief mention of their history of being merged into a single rail franchise from 2006 through 2014. However, even though this article isn't positioned to cover the past TL/GN franchise, the franchise no longer exists regardless, and was combined with the South Central franchise (covered in the Southern article) to form the Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern franchise from July 2015, with a considerably more extensive history from privatisation through to the present already covered in each routes' respective articles. Though both are operated by Govia Thameslink Railway, GTR considers and operates them as separate services that travel to different destinations, despite any overlap of services.
This article covers the following:
This article is primarily a duplicate or information already covered in arguably more extensive detail on each route's respective articles. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 08:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
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Govia have indicated that the former First Capital Connect part of the Thameslink Southern & Great Northern franchise will be rebranded as Thameslink, with the Southern and Gatwick Express parts of the franchise to retain their separate identities. [1]
Thus think this article should focus on that part of the franchise, in much the same way as the two parts of the current Southern franchise retain separate articles. D47817 ( talk) 04:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Thameslink_move - mattbuck ( Talk) 07:47, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
{{ subst:RMtalk|Thameslink (train operating company)|Article name was in use for a company that traded between 1997 and 2006. A new company will commence using the same name in September 2014. It was agreed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Thameslink move that the new company should take the existing article name and the existing article be renamed Thameslink (train operating company 1997-2006) and all of the existing wikilinks be redirected, this has been actioned.}}
— Preceding unsigned comment added by D47817 ( talk • contribs)
This has now been resolved as the name has been confirmed as Govia Thameslink Railway. Simply south .... .. time, department skies for just 8 years 18:55, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm proposing that we split this article in order to have separate articles for the Thameslink and Great Northern brands. They are listed separately in the train operators navigation box, and are essentially two different sets of operations mixed together at present. I have already separated the fleet table for each brand, to help find out which brand uses which type of rolling stock. Separating the articles will allow readers to find out about the individual operations far more easily than they can now. Each brand of GTR will then have its own individual article: Thameslink, Great Northern, Southern and Gatwick Express. Cloudbound ( talk) 21:33, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Oppose as they are strictly speaking one franchise. If they were two, then maybe, but not right at this moment, they are not. NordicDragon Talkpage 14:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Massively in favour, as they have quite different routes, rolling stock, performance, etc. Also, it seems to be usual on Wikipedia for different brands of the same parent company to have their own page, eg. Waitrose and John Lewis (department store). Also, if we think all routes operated by one franchise should be on the same page, then why isn't Southern included in this page??? Either there should be 3 separate pages for the 3 brands, or 1 page for the whole franchise. At the moment, it's neither one nor the other, which doesn't make sense. So that makes it 2 votes each way. Any other views? Mmitchell10 ( talk) 09:23, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Noticing both the irregularity of this page, and the previous attempt to merge this article into its respective counterparts back in 2016 (unclear consensus), I decided to open this new discussion.
This article, as stated in the lead paragraph, focuses on the brands of Thameslink and Great Northern - "Thameslink and Great Northern are the brand names used by the Govia Thameslink Railway train operating company on the Thameslink and Great Northern routes..." - as a single unit with brief mention of their history of being merged into a single rail franchise from 2006 through 2014. However, even though this article isn't positioned to cover the past TL/GN franchise, the franchise no longer exists regardless, and was combined with the South Central franchise (covered in the Southern article) to form the Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern franchise from July 2015, with a considerably more extensive history from privatisation through to the present already covered in each routes' respective articles. Though both are operated by Govia Thameslink Railway, GTR considers and operates them as separate services that travel to different destinations, despite any overlap of services.
This article covers the following:
This article is primarily a duplicate or information already covered in arguably more extensive detail on each route's respective articles. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 08:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)