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The unofficial guide to Thameslink, by Ben Samuel: -Trains now do not run continuously through King's Cross as the northern section ends at St Pancras, 10 minutes' walk away. -Because the privatised company get hand-outs from the government, tickets are checked about once a year. -The official policy on bicycles is they are not allowed at peak times, but you can get on at Blackfriars without any complaints, but avoid King's Cross. Be sure to reverse into the carriage for a rapid exit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.71.31 ( talk) 19:18, 27 November 2004 (UTC)
"Govia acquired the franchise from 2 March 1997 for seven years and a day." - This would suggest that the franchise expired on 3 March 2004. Does anyone know if it was renewed or granted to someone else. And for how long? MrWeeble 9 July 2005 14:23 (UTC)
The franchise was extended for approx 2 years as is often the case with the rail contacts. Govia have since lost the contact and this is reflected in the page. -- M at 11:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Thameslink/Temp, as-is, or Wikipedia:Image recreation requests? Ojw 19:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
The tunnel was re-opened to passengers after 50 years in 1988 and the network in May 1990.
Not sure I understand the second half of this. MRSC 23:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I've made a few edits to this section which I think makes the situation slightly clearer. Also added a link to the DfT announcement of the franchise decision. When I have the time I am going to make a bigger edit to this page to make it overall a bit easier to read. I also think that it would be best to make clear the distinction between Thameslink (the BR project to re-open the Snow Hill tunnel and create cross-London services, and the name for those services) and Thameslink (the train operating company). Doownyl32 21:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
In the Rolling Stock section it states that the trains are "rated to hold 284 or 314 passengers". What does this mean? Under what circumstances is it 284 passengers, and under what circumstances is it 314 passengers? -- A bit iffy 08:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
First Capital Connect agree, but for some odd reason they describe the 319/2s and not the 319/0s, which is the wrong way round. I've sent a message to them and hopefully they'll rectify it. Edvid 11:32, 21st November 2006 (UTC)
One to watch out for:
There's currently an interesting dispute between First Capital Connect and Transport for London about FCC's over vigorous rebranding of "Thameslink" and also "Great Northern" (even, in some places, obliterating part of the names of City Thameslink and King's Cross Thameslink) and also the Great Northern routes. TfL aren't too happy about all this since it was done rather arbitarily without consultation (and is very confusing for rail users since the two routes share some stations). It's quite possible the name Thameslink may come back into wider use for the route - passengers are very used to it and FCC's current naming is a recipe for confusion (especially if other stakeholders refuse to play ball at stations like Moorgate and Farringdon). Timrollpickering 23:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Given that a separate article on the Thameslink Programme was created recently, I believe that all the information on the Thameslink article (under the heading Thameslink Programme (Thameslink 2000)) should be transferred to its article namesake. Edvid 03:50, 31st October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe not all the information. Some needs to stay as a summary otherwise not everyone will know what this article is on about. Simply south 11:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Looks like the feedback is quite positive, if limited - I'll make the changes next Monday unless anyone else would like to put forward any other suggestions. Edvid 11:10, 13th November 2006 (UTC)
I used to get the 8:14 a.m. from Brighton to London each day. It was highly unusual (one of two per day I think) because it crossed from the usual route onto the "metro" route and stopped at stations around and including Tulse Hill. Does this service still exist? It's not indicated as a possible route on the current route diagram. – Kieran T ( talk) 17:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The route map seems to be suffering from 'coverage creep' at present. Some additions like the Smithfield siding probably deserve to be included in the Widened Lines article, but don't really form part of the Thameslink story. Similarly, stations that were closed long before Thameslink was conceived, have a place in an article on that particular line - but again are not really relevant here. What do others think? DrFrench 12:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think Thameslink is just a service. It is pretty much a line between Kentish Town and Liondon Bridge and basically the whole of the Blackfriars-Streatham-Wimbledon-Sutton-Streatham-Blackfriars.
Strangely, National Rail define the line into 2
Here for named lines. However, a general search shows that Thameslink is a line. Simply south 15:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC) Simply south 15:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The opening date needs pinning down better. I can't find a source that backs up this assertion:
Everyhting I can find suggests the name "Thameslink" existed from the start. -- 82.45.163.4 18:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The map shows the Snow Hill Tunnel ... but what about the others (Clerkenwell Nos.1,2,3 and Belsize Tunnel - Longest at 1m 107 yds). Also on the Moorgate Branch ... Smithfield and Barbican!! Also, whats wrong with Camden Road and Kings Cross Tunnels, plus Elstree. Snow Hill is probably the shortest tunnel on the whole route!!!! Okay, it gets the headlines, but SO WHAT!! I demand better recognition for the other tunnels ... especially Belsize Tunnel ... which is the longest north of the Thames. And why are the tunnels south of the river not included. I shall revert the map if I do no get answers!!! Canterberry 21:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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The unofficial guide to Thameslink, by Ben Samuel: -Trains now do not run continuously through King's Cross as the northern section ends at St Pancras, 10 minutes' walk away. -Because the privatised company get hand-outs from the government, tickets are checked about once a year. -The official policy on bicycles is they are not allowed at peak times, but you can get on at Blackfriars without any complaints, but avoid King's Cross. Be sure to reverse into the carriage for a rapid exit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.71.31 ( talk) 19:18, 27 November 2004 (UTC)
"Govia acquired the franchise from 2 March 1997 for seven years and a day." - This would suggest that the franchise expired on 3 March 2004. Does anyone know if it was renewed or granted to someone else. And for how long? MrWeeble 9 July 2005 14:23 (UTC)
The franchise was extended for approx 2 years as is often the case with the rail contacts. Govia have since lost the contact and this is reflected in the page. -- M at 11:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Thameslink/Temp, as-is, or Wikipedia:Image recreation requests? Ojw 19:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
The tunnel was re-opened to passengers after 50 years in 1988 and the network in May 1990.
Not sure I understand the second half of this. MRSC 23:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I've made a few edits to this section which I think makes the situation slightly clearer. Also added a link to the DfT announcement of the franchise decision. When I have the time I am going to make a bigger edit to this page to make it overall a bit easier to read. I also think that it would be best to make clear the distinction between Thameslink (the BR project to re-open the Snow Hill tunnel and create cross-London services, and the name for those services) and Thameslink (the train operating company). Doownyl32 21:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
In the Rolling Stock section it states that the trains are "rated to hold 284 or 314 passengers". What does this mean? Under what circumstances is it 284 passengers, and under what circumstances is it 314 passengers? -- A bit iffy 08:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
First Capital Connect agree, but for some odd reason they describe the 319/2s and not the 319/0s, which is the wrong way round. I've sent a message to them and hopefully they'll rectify it. Edvid 11:32, 21st November 2006 (UTC)
One to watch out for:
There's currently an interesting dispute between First Capital Connect and Transport for London about FCC's over vigorous rebranding of "Thameslink" and also "Great Northern" (even, in some places, obliterating part of the names of City Thameslink and King's Cross Thameslink) and also the Great Northern routes. TfL aren't too happy about all this since it was done rather arbitarily without consultation (and is very confusing for rail users since the two routes share some stations). It's quite possible the name Thameslink may come back into wider use for the route - passengers are very used to it and FCC's current naming is a recipe for confusion (especially if other stakeholders refuse to play ball at stations like Moorgate and Farringdon). Timrollpickering 23:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Given that a separate article on the Thameslink Programme was created recently, I believe that all the information on the Thameslink article (under the heading Thameslink Programme (Thameslink 2000)) should be transferred to its article namesake. Edvid 03:50, 31st October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe not all the information. Some needs to stay as a summary otherwise not everyone will know what this article is on about. Simply south 11:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Looks like the feedback is quite positive, if limited - I'll make the changes next Monday unless anyone else would like to put forward any other suggestions. Edvid 11:10, 13th November 2006 (UTC)
I used to get the 8:14 a.m. from Brighton to London each day. It was highly unusual (one of two per day I think) because it crossed from the usual route onto the "metro" route and stopped at stations around and including Tulse Hill. Does this service still exist? It's not indicated as a possible route on the current route diagram. – Kieran T ( talk) 17:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The route map seems to be suffering from 'coverage creep' at present. Some additions like the Smithfield siding probably deserve to be included in the Widened Lines article, but don't really form part of the Thameslink story. Similarly, stations that were closed long before Thameslink was conceived, have a place in an article on that particular line - but again are not really relevant here. What do others think? DrFrench 12:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think Thameslink is just a service. It is pretty much a line between Kentish Town and Liondon Bridge and basically the whole of the Blackfriars-Streatham-Wimbledon-Sutton-Streatham-Blackfriars.
Strangely, National Rail define the line into 2
Here for named lines. However, a general search shows that Thameslink is a line. Simply south 15:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC) Simply south 15:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The opening date needs pinning down better. I can't find a source that backs up this assertion:
Everyhting I can find suggests the name "Thameslink" existed from the start. -- 82.45.163.4 18:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The map shows the Snow Hill Tunnel ... but what about the others (Clerkenwell Nos.1,2,3 and Belsize Tunnel - Longest at 1m 107 yds). Also on the Moorgate Branch ... Smithfield and Barbican!! Also, whats wrong with Camden Road and Kings Cross Tunnels, plus Elstree. Snow Hill is probably the shortest tunnel on the whole route!!!! Okay, it gets the headlines, but SO WHAT!! I demand better recognition for the other tunnels ... especially Belsize Tunnel ... which is the longest north of the Thames. And why are the tunnels south of the river not included. I shall revert the map if I do no get answers!!! Canterberry 21:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)