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Source on the end of the longhorn's commercial viability is here: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/BB/aob1.html
Ben Brumfield [[ Hello, I had a few comments on the sources used in the article. The introduction of the article speaks of the cattle's characteristic horns and I don't see how the reference has anything to do with that. Its a NatGeo article on sustainable beef. The fourth reference has no direct ling and when I tried looking it up i had a hard time validating the information. I believe its correct though and the title goes with what you're talking about in that section. Can you clear that up for me, just started and was wondering if a citation could be left like that. The references that showed both an ISBN number and PMID were great examples on how different things can be cited so thank you for that. All medical articles have a PMID? The last thing I wanted to mention was the last citation. I noticed that someone provided you with that citation but it still hasn't been put on the article, whats up with that, is it not a valid citation, It looks good to me.
Overall it was a great article with a neutral point of view and it was also a broad article. I wouldn't know what else to mention about the breed because it seems as if you put way more than what I could have researched myself, but i'm sure there has to be a few other things that could broaden this up more.I believe that the information on this article is up to date but it's lacking credibility in some areas. In order to improve this article I suggest focusing on verifying the information and to add a few more topics on the Texas longhorn. C mena15 ( talk) 18:57, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Please don't misunderstand me -- I have absolutely NO problem with information being added, and I agree that saying "barbed wire caused the Longhorns to decline" is probably a simplistic explanation, but it nevertheless IS part of the story, and you chose to remove it completely. That was my only problem. In terms of adding information, as long as there is sourcing to back it up, I say go for it. Katefan0 17:26, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
I disagree with taking the mention of The University of Texas and Bevo out of the first paragraph. You can't assume that someone typing "Texas longhorn" into Wikipedia's serach engine is looking for a breed of cattle. They may very well be looking for the sports team. A quick Google check shows that 5 of the top 10 search results for "Texas longhorn" are UT sports related, while the other 5 are about the breed of cattle. Also, if you look at "What links here" you see that many UT related topics link to this page. The first paragraph of this article should help people understand why they have come to a page about cattle if they were expecting information related to UT. Johntex 20:14, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Today Longhorns still have a practical breeding use. They are in general smarter, and posses a better survival and motherly instinct than other breeds. Here is Alberta pure bred Longhorns can have trouble in the winter due to their short hair however, I know of one which live near Lloydminster, Alberta that is about 20 years old and still calving successfully. In my herd I have a large protion of Longhorn breeding (with a slection of other breeds). Longhorn cattle are known for their habbit of disappering into the bush and comming back with a new calf. They usually have no trouble calving. Longhorn calves tend have a natural ability to find warm places quickly. I myself have seen a longhorn calf stand within minutes of birth. I am not alone in this and have found that this breed is used (at least in part) throughout herds all over north america. Kc4 21:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of January 29, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:
I'll try and help fix some of the things I brought up in the review myself during the hold period. The most important thing to focus on is citing what content is now present and uncited. The current amount of in-line citations is far from GA-class.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Van Tucky 04:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Two issues VanTucky only touched upon: 1) Some of the references are hard to tell where they are from because they don't use deep linking, and Premier Longhorns is not explained. 2) It uses 20+ year old books to describe the current situation, the article would need a more modern publication to complement the old ones for these bits. Narayanese ( talk) 12:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
For readability, please place any comments or questions pertaining to the hold below rather than within the body of the review. Thank you!
As the week-long hold period has expired without the required changes, this article fails its GA nomination. Please address all the issues above before choosing to renominate. If you feel this review was in error, you may seek a reassessment. Thank you for your work so far, Van Tucky 22:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
These are longhorns. How long are the horns? Please, will someone tell us the average or longest length of horns using all length criteria given in the paragraph. Also give a comparison to other cattle regarding size. Who organized the cattle drives? And did the Ft Worth Stockyards handle many of these cattle. And did the packing plants in Ft. Worth process these cattle. At the termination of the cattle drive, where did the cattle go? Were they shipped on the trains or used at the termination point? How many cattle and cowboys in a traildrive? What was the increase in monetary value of the cattle at the end of the drive? If these cattle were brought here by Christopher Columbus, how many did he bring? How was he able to bring these huge animals or did he bring calves? How many longhorns are there today compared to other breeds? Why isn't the meat available at grocery stores? What is the price of longhorns versus other cattle? Are they still freerange or are the kept in feedlots? Do they have the same gestation time as other cattle? Is there usually only a single calf born? What is a good book for the curious person regarding this breed? 71.164.184.34 ( talk) 00:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)City Cowgirl
No mention of the Merril Lynch Bull? It's a black longhorn living in texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.99.84.127 ( talk) 03:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
It's not likely that their logo is based on a still-living animal. The logo has been in use since the 70's 173.164.86.190 ( talk) 19:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
the Book of Cowboys by Holling C. Holling is an old book which collects much information with not much indication where it comes from, but in this book is an account of the Texas Longhorn breed (with illustrations) which differs somewhat from this article. It says the TL were skinny, tough, fast, almost like a deer, and the ranchers imported eastern breeds to improve their herds; the result was a mixture. If this be true, then the original TL isn't around anymore - what people are collecting today as the original is only partly so. The photos of Longhorns in this article don't look like Holling's illustrations. I don't know how or whether this information should be incorporated into the article but I make a note of it here. Friendly Person ( talk) 16:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Another source to investigate is the Longhorn Museum in San Antonio. There is a stuffed animal there with a spread of 8 feet. http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2143067340100653658anMPya Friendly Person ( talk) 16:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The history section jumps from the beginnings of the breed to the reasons for them being obsolete, with no explanation of their importance inbetween,. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.219.55 ( talk) 04:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
The way the "Purpose" section is laid out doesn't make a lot of sense. It goes straight from a paragraph detailing the purpose and use of the breed, to a bulleted list of different horn measurements. Doesn't this seem a little sloppy to anybody else?
CyanideSandwich ( talk) 23:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The article says, "'Shadow Jubilee' holds the record for the longest measured horns for any Texas Longhorn cow or bull in history at 88" tip to tip." The source for this is given as the website of the Dickinson Cattle Co. Inc. who bred the cow. There are two things wrong with this: 1) On their website it doesn't say she has a measurement of 88 inches, it says, three times, that her measurment is 86 1/8 inches. 2) This is not the record length for a Texas Longhorn.
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/content/2011/s3386694.htm?site=northqld§ion=news
The link is to a report on Australia's ABC news website (complete with picture) of a Texas Longhorn steer called Johnny Reb with a spread measured by Guinness World Records as 2.77 metres, which is 109.055 inches, tip to tip. Cottonshirt τ 21:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I did a google images search for Alentejana and Mertolenga, the two breeds said to be close to the longhorn... they have short horns. Where'd the longhorn get its long horns? 71.190.78.67 ( talk) 22:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Did the Texas Longhorn ever mated with wild buffalos in the past? Komitsuki ( talk) 17:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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Please be more specific. Please add link. What is the “Tower”? What tower? SaltySemanticSchmuck ( talk) 07:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Include approximate weight at birth and full grown (male/female). Would like a brief discussion about what causes steers (castrated males) to have longer horns than the females—especially since females have longer horns than the males (bulls, not castrated). 2600:1700:530:8B70:A9D4:8A3C:C682:6540 ( talk) 00:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Texas Longhorn was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2022 and 28 April 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Andyandgrogu, Goondog101 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: CassiopeiaDream, Sassafrass15, MANAT33Gal, Girlscout2009.
Source on the end of the longhorn's commercial viability is here: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/BB/aob1.html
Ben Brumfield [[ Hello, I had a few comments on the sources used in the article. The introduction of the article speaks of the cattle's characteristic horns and I don't see how the reference has anything to do with that. Its a NatGeo article on sustainable beef. The fourth reference has no direct ling and when I tried looking it up i had a hard time validating the information. I believe its correct though and the title goes with what you're talking about in that section. Can you clear that up for me, just started and was wondering if a citation could be left like that. The references that showed both an ISBN number and PMID were great examples on how different things can be cited so thank you for that. All medical articles have a PMID? The last thing I wanted to mention was the last citation. I noticed that someone provided you with that citation but it still hasn't been put on the article, whats up with that, is it not a valid citation, It looks good to me.
Overall it was a great article with a neutral point of view and it was also a broad article. I wouldn't know what else to mention about the breed because it seems as if you put way more than what I could have researched myself, but i'm sure there has to be a few other things that could broaden this up more.I believe that the information on this article is up to date but it's lacking credibility in some areas. In order to improve this article I suggest focusing on verifying the information and to add a few more topics on the Texas longhorn. C mena15 ( talk) 18:57, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Please don't misunderstand me -- I have absolutely NO problem with information being added, and I agree that saying "barbed wire caused the Longhorns to decline" is probably a simplistic explanation, but it nevertheless IS part of the story, and you chose to remove it completely. That was my only problem. In terms of adding information, as long as there is sourcing to back it up, I say go for it. Katefan0 17:26, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
I disagree with taking the mention of The University of Texas and Bevo out of the first paragraph. You can't assume that someone typing "Texas longhorn" into Wikipedia's serach engine is looking for a breed of cattle. They may very well be looking for the sports team. A quick Google check shows that 5 of the top 10 search results for "Texas longhorn" are UT sports related, while the other 5 are about the breed of cattle. Also, if you look at "What links here" you see that many UT related topics link to this page. The first paragraph of this article should help people understand why they have come to a page about cattle if they were expecting information related to UT. Johntex 20:14, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Today Longhorns still have a practical breeding use. They are in general smarter, and posses a better survival and motherly instinct than other breeds. Here is Alberta pure bred Longhorns can have trouble in the winter due to their short hair however, I know of one which live near Lloydminster, Alberta that is about 20 years old and still calving successfully. In my herd I have a large protion of Longhorn breeding (with a slection of other breeds). Longhorn cattle are known for their habbit of disappering into the bush and comming back with a new calf. They usually have no trouble calving. Longhorn calves tend have a natural ability to find warm places quickly. I myself have seen a longhorn calf stand within minutes of birth. I am not alone in this and have found that this breed is used (at least in part) throughout herds all over north america. Kc4 21:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of January 29, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:
I'll try and help fix some of the things I brought up in the review myself during the hold period. The most important thing to focus on is citing what content is now present and uncited. The current amount of in-line citations is far from GA-class.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Van Tucky 04:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Two issues VanTucky only touched upon: 1) Some of the references are hard to tell where they are from because they don't use deep linking, and Premier Longhorns is not explained. 2) It uses 20+ year old books to describe the current situation, the article would need a more modern publication to complement the old ones for these bits. Narayanese ( talk) 12:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
For readability, please place any comments or questions pertaining to the hold below rather than within the body of the review. Thank you!
As the week-long hold period has expired without the required changes, this article fails its GA nomination. Please address all the issues above before choosing to renominate. If you feel this review was in error, you may seek a reassessment. Thank you for your work so far, Van Tucky 22:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
These are longhorns. How long are the horns? Please, will someone tell us the average or longest length of horns using all length criteria given in the paragraph. Also give a comparison to other cattle regarding size. Who organized the cattle drives? And did the Ft Worth Stockyards handle many of these cattle. And did the packing plants in Ft. Worth process these cattle. At the termination of the cattle drive, where did the cattle go? Were they shipped on the trains or used at the termination point? How many cattle and cowboys in a traildrive? What was the increase in monetary value of the cattle at the end of the drive? If these cattle were brought here by Christopher Columbus, how many did he bring? How was he able to bring these huge animals or did he bring calves? How many longhorns are there today compared to other breeds? Why isn't the meat available at grocery stores? What is the price of longhorns versus other cattle? Are they still freerange or are the kept in feedlots? Do they have the same gestation time as other cattle? Is there usually only a single calf born? What is a good book for the curious person regarding this breed? 71.164.184.34 ( talk) 00:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)City Cowgirl
No mention of the Merril Lynch Bull? It's a black longhorn living in texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.99.84.127 ( talk) 03:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
It's not likely that their logo is based on a still-living animal. The logo has been in use since the 70's 173.164.86.190 ( talk) 19:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
the Book of Cowboys by Holling C. Holling is an old book which collects much information with not much indication where it comes from, but in this book is an account of the Texas Longhorn breed (with illustrations) which differs somewhat from this article. It says the TL were skinny, tough, fast, almost like a deer, and the ranchers imported eastern breeds to improve their herds; the result was a mixture. If this be true, then the original TL isn't around anymore - what people are collecting today as the original is only partly so. The photos of Longhorns in this article don't look like Holling's illustrations. I don't know how or whether this information should be incorporated into the article but I make a note of it here. Friendly Person ( talk) 16:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Another source to investigate is the Longhorn Museum in San Antonio. There is a stuffed animal there with a spread of 8 feet. http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2143067340100653658anMPya Friendly Person ( talk) 16:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The history section jumps from the beginnings of the breed to the reasons for them being obsolete, with no explanation of their importance inbetween,. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.219.55 ( talk) 04:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
The way the "Purpose" section is laid out doesn't make a lot of sense. It goes straight from a paragraph detailing the purpose and use of the breed, to a bulleted list of different horn measurements. Doesn't this seem a little sloppy to anybody else?
CyanideSandwich ( talk) 23:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The article says, "'Shadow Jubilee' holds the record for the longest measured horns for any Texas Longhorn cow or bull in history at 88" tip to tip." The source for this is given as the website of the Dickinson Cattle Co. Inc. who bred the cow. There are two things wrong with this: 1) On their website it doesn't say she has a measurement of 88 inches, it says, three times, that her measurment is 86 1/8 inches. 2) This is not the record length for a Texas Longhorn.
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/content/2011/s3386694.htm?site=northqld§ion=news
The link is to a report on Australia's ABC news website (complete with picture) of a Texas Longhorn steer called Johnny Reb with a spread measured by Guinness World Records as 2.77 metres, which is 109.055 inches, tip to tip. Cottonshirt τ 21:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I did a google images search for Alentejana and Mertolenga, the two breeds said to be close to the longhorn... they have short horns. Where'd the longhorn get its long horns? 71.190.78.67 ( talk) 22:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Did the Texas Longhorn ever mated with wild buffalos in the past? Komitsuki ( talk) 17:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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Please be more specific. Please add link. What is the “Tower”? What tower? SaltySemanticSchmuck ( talk) 07:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Include approximate weight at birth and full grown (male/female). Would like a brief discussion about what causes steers (castrated males) to have longer horns than the females—especially since females have longer horns than the males (bulls, not castrated). 2600:1700:530:8B70:A9D4:8A3C:C682:6540 ( talk) 00:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)