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Duplicate Article
This article seemingly has the same subject as
T-even bacteriophages. That information should be merged into this one here and that article should be deleted then. Btw is Tevenvirinae an ICTV-Registered taxon? Kind regards. --
Ernsts (
talk)
06:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Hello Peter coxhead, thanks for your reply. What I meant originally was to merge the other article -
T-even bacteriophages - to here (not vice versa), just as Tevenvirinae is included in current ICTV master species list as subfamily. However things are more difficult, see
NCBI. --
Ernsts (
talk)
12:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, I don't like the ICTV's use of italics to make nomenclatural distinctions. Here we can use italics in the text to make distinctions, but not in the article title. So if "X" were the name of a virus species and a sub-species taxon, we could use "X (species)" or "X (virus)" or something similar as titles to distinguish, if this were necessary.
Peter coxhead (
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13:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)reply
With respect to NCBI comment and new ICTV master species list it looks like:
Tevenvirinae is the subfamily
T4virus, formerly T4likevirus is a genus in this subfamily
Escherichia virus T4 is a newly formed species in this genus which comprises legacy
T-even bacteriophages as an old synonym (called Enterobacteriophage T4 s.l. in the NCBI)
@
Ernsts: I got involved in viruses and virus taxonomy only because I work on the code of automated taxoboxes, and I recently worked on {{Virusbox}}. I'm far from an expert on viruses, nor am I particularly interested in them. So I leave it to you and other members of
WP:WikiProject Viruses to sort out the changes that are needed under ICTV 2018.
NessieVL has done quite a bit of work.
Did an update here in order to adapt text to the virus box led by
List of virus taxa which seems to be a map of current ICTV MSL 2018a v1 (i. e. this lemma appears to have the most recent information) --
Ernsts (
talk)
09:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)reply
I agree that this article and Escherichia virus T4 and the several other similar articles on the T-even viruses should all be merged. There really is only one T Even virus family, unique in its morphology and injection/lytic lifecycle. Having a number of similar articles spreads out the information in a way that makes it less likely to be seen by those who look it up in WP. It has been several months since merging was proposed, and over 10 years that the need to merge all these articles was evident; let's do it already.
David Spector (
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16:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Collapsible list
As for many virus articles in en WP, there are nested collapsible lists/hidden lists. As it was here, this nesting often is unneccesary (if there is only a single item in the list). So I changed the taxonomy section in order to keep things as flat as possible. However, as to my knowledge, there was need to introduce some 'cryptic' coding, which in fact may not be the best solution. Please take this just as a proposal, if you know a better way, please let me know or change it by yourself. Any comments are welcome. Thanks in advance. --
Ernsts (
talk)
19:37, 7 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm not a fan of collapsible lists, I've just been too lazy to convert them. I think it makes it hard to read, and to search for text strings on a page without having to click on everything. I'd much prefer them to just be bulleted lists. --
Nessie (
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20:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)reply
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Duplicate Article
This article seemingly has the same subject as
T-even bacteriophages. That information should be merged into this one here and that article should be deleted then. Btw is Tevenvirinae an ICTV-Registered taxon? Kind regards. --
Ernsts (
talk)
06:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Hello Peter coxhead, thanks for your reply. What I meant originally was to merge the other article -
T-even bacteriophages - to here (not vice versa), just as Tevenvirinae is included in current ICTV master species list as subfamily. However things are more difficult, see
NCBI. --
Ernsts (
talk)
12:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, I don't like the ICTV's use of italics to make nomenclatural distinctions. Here we can use italics in the text to make distinctions, but not in the article title. So if "X" were the name of a virus species and a sub-species taxon, we could use "X (species)" or "X (virus)" or something similar as titles to distinguish, if this were necessary.
Peter coxhead (
talk)
13:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)reply
With respect to NCBI comment and new ICTV master species list it looks like:
Tevenvirinae is the subfamily
T4virus, formerly T4likevirus is a genus in this subfamily
Escherichia virus T4 is a newly formed species in this genus which comprises legacy
T-even bacteriophages as an old synonym (called Enterobacteriophage T4 s.l. in the NCBI)
@
Ernsts: I got involved in viruses and virus taxonomy only because I work on the code of automated taxoboxes, and I recently worked on {{Virusbox}}. I'm far from an expert on viruses, nor am I particularly interested in them. So I leave it to you and other members of
WP:WikiProject Viruses to sort out the changes that are needed under ICTV 2018.
NessieVL has done quite a bit of work.
Did an update here in order to adapt text to the virus box led by
List of virus taxa which seems to be a map of current ICTV MSL 2018a v1 (i. e. this lemma appears to have the most recent information) --
Ernsts (
talk)
09:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)reply
I agree that this article and Escherichia virus T4 and the several other similar articles on the T-even viruses should all be merged. There really is only one T Even virus family, unique in its morphology and injection/lytic lifecycle. Having a number of similar articles spreads out the information in a way that makes it less likely to be seen by those who look it up in WP. It has been several months since merging was proposed, and over 10 years that the need to merge all these articles was evident; let's do it already.
David Spector (
talk)
16:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Collapsible list
As for many virus articles in en WP, there are nested collapsible lists/hidden lists. As it was here, this nesting often is unneccesary (if there is only a single item in the list). So I changed the taxonomy section in order to keep things as flat as possible. However, as to my knowledge, there was need to introduce some 'cryptic' coding, which in fact may not be the best solution. Please take this just as a proposal, if you know a better way, please let me know or change it by yourself. Any comments are welcome. Thanks in advance. --
Ernsts (
talk)
19:37, 7 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm not a fan of collapsible lists, I've just been too lazy to convert them. I think it makes it hard to read, and to search for text strings on a page without having to click on everything. I'd much prefer them to just be bulleted lists. --
Nessie (
talk)
20:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)reply