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I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that Testimony should be lower case... if anyone agrees, feel free to switch it. Zach 23:06, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I rewrote the introductory paragraph to re-frame the "testimony" as a way of acting rather than as a belief. I did not carry the same concept through in the rest of the article, though I think that would be a good exercise. The same could be done for each of the other "testimonies". I think it would also be good if someone could come up with a discussion of the fact that early Friends didn't usually refer to the "testimonies" plural, but to their "testimony" singular: a reference to the way in which their whole pattern of life "testified" to the "Truth".
In addition, I deleted the material in the "general explanation" paragraph that emphasized how the testimony can be modified or changed. This seemed to pose a stark and unexplained contrast to the quotation from the Declaration to King Charles which said that the Spirit of Christ would never move Friends to engage in war. The ensuing historical discussion seemed to make it sufficiently clear that in practice Friends' understanding of and faithfulness to the testimony has changed from time to time. -- Richquaker 20:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned about adding extraneous debate to the article, so I've pulled the following out of the applications section.
If others feel it's important to keep this text in, we can. But of the applications and debates around the peace testimony, in my experience this is one of the more rare issues to come up. If we included a more complete discussion of out-growth of the peace testimony I might be more inclined to keep it, but I don't think it's representative in the current context. -- Ahc 14:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest the following replacement text for the existing section (this includes my most recent edits of a few mintues ago):
This does feel quite right to me yet, but I think it's a place to start. -- Ahc 00:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Back in 2009 an unsigned editor made an change here attributing the famous 1660 Declaration ("A declaration from the harmless and innocent people of God, called Quakers") to Margaret Fell. I'm almost certain that's wrong. The academic Historical Dictionary of The Friends attributes it to "George Fox and other early Friends." Even more, the actual declaration was signed by twelve Friends (George Fox, Gerald Roberts, Henry Fell, Richard Hubberthorn, John Boulton, John Hinde, John Stubbs, Leonard Fell, John Furley Jnr., Francis Howgill, Samuel Fisher, Thomas Moore).
Margaret Fell did pen an letter earlier that year that touched on many of the same themes, Margaret Fell's Letter on Persecution, 1660.
I suspect the Wikipedia error might have come from a misreading of a passage of Britain Yearly Meeting's Faith & Practice. It excerpts the Declaration without attribution. At the bottom it says "Margaret Fell’s earlier expression of these ideas may be found at 19.46." If you read it carelessly you'll think it's implying she wrote the Declaration.
If anyone has any further information I'd love to know. -- Martin kelley ( talk) 16:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin kelley ( talk • contribs) 15:36, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
It seems there was discussion many years ago, but no-one followed through on moving. I think this should be revisited.
Most (although admittedly not all) of the participants in that old discussion ( top of this page) seemed to favour changing the title (although not necessarily to Testimony of peace). The article text itself generally favours lowercase, using it in the lead, but does so inconsistently throughout the article. Personally, I don't see any rationale for treating this as a proper noun, so the guidance of MOS:CAPS seems to favour lowercase. Notably, similar articles ( Testimony of equality, Testimony of integrity, Testimony of simplicity) treat the their respective topics as common nouns, having lowercase titles. This appears to the only article which is inconsistent with this pattern. – Scyrme ( talk) 23:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that Testimony should be lower case... if anyone agrees, feel free to switch it. Zach 23:06, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I rewrote the introductory paragraph to re-frame the "testimony" as a way of acting rather than as a belief. I did not carry the same concept through in the rest of the article, though I think that would be a good exercise. The same could be done for each of the other "testimonies". I think it would also be good if someone could come up with a discussion of the fact that early Friends didn't usually refer to the "testimonies" plural, but to their "testimony" singular: a reference to the way in which their whole pattern of life "testified" to the "Truth".
In addition, I deleted the material in the "general explanation" paragraph that emphasized how the testimony can be modified or changed. This seemed to pose a stark and unexplained contrast to the quotation from the Declaration to King Charles which said that the Spirit of Christ would never move Friends to engage in war. The ensuing historical discussion seemed to make it sufficiently clear that in practice Friends' understanding of and faithfulness to the testimony has changed from time to time. -- Richquaker 20:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned about adding extraneous debate to the article, so I've pulled the following out of the applications section.
If others feel it's important to keep this text in, we can. But of the applications and debates around the peace testimony, in my experience this is one of the more rare issues to come up. If we included a more complete discussion of out-growth of the peace testimony I might be more inclined to keep it, but I don't think it's representative in the current context. -- Ahc 14:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest the following replacement text for the existing section (this includes my most recent edits of a few mintues ago):
This does feel quite right to me yet, but I think it's a place to start. -- Ahc 00:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Back in 2009 an unsigned editor made an change here attributing the famous 1660 Declaration ("A declaration from the harmless and innocent people of God, called Quakers") to Margaret Fell. I'm almost certain that's wrong. The academic Historical Dictionary of The Friends attributes it to "George Fox and other early Friends." Even more, the actual declaration was signed by twelve Friends (George Fox, Gerald Roberts, Henry Fell, Richard Hubberthorn, John Boulton, John Hinde, John Stubbs, Leonard Fell, John Furley Jnr., Francis Howgill, Samuel Fisher, Thomas Moore).
Margaret Fell did pen an letter earlier that year that touched on many of the same themes, Margaret Fell's Letter on Persecution, 1660.
I suspect the Wikipedia error might have come from a misreading of a passage of Britain Yearly Meeting's Faith & Practice. It excerpts the Declaration without attribution. At the bottom it says "Margaret Fell’s earlier expression of these ideas may be found at 19.46." If you read it carelessly you'll think it's implying she wrote the Declaration.
If anyone has any further information I'd love to know. -- Martin kelley ( talk) 16:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin kelley ( talk • contribs) 15:36, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
It seems there was discussion many years ago, but no-one followed through on moving. I think this should be revisited.
Most (although admittedly not all) of the participants in that old discussion ( top of this page) seemed to favour changing the title (although not necessarily to Testimony of peace). The article text itself generally favours lowercase, using it in the lead, but does so inconsistently throughout the article. Personally, I don't see any rationale for treating this as a proper noun, so the guidance of MOS:CAPS seems to favour lowercase. Notably, similar articles ( Testimony of equality, Testimony of integrity, Testimony of simplicity) treat the their respective topics as common nouns, having lowercase titles. This appears to the only article which is inconsistent with this pattern. – Scyrme ( talk) 23:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)