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We're told that Lincoln wrote:
I don't think that we need to know Kennedy's posture. But such superfluity is the least important problem here. It's blazingly obvious that Mrs Lincoln wouldn't have written that Mrs Lincoln went on to write something or other.
This is sourced to Lincoln's book Kennedy and Johnson. Well actually no it isn't: it's sourced to this chrestomathy compiled by person(s) unnamed, which shows clear signs of having got garbled. Now, I can make guesses about how it has got garbled, and thus of what could be done with it to make it look convincing and probably not too far from what's actually written in the book. But this isn't good enough.
I'm not in the US and I don't have access to any library that's good for this kind of thing. So I can't volunteer for the following tiresome but necessary work: looking up this quotation (and any other quotation that comes via a dodgy website) in the original book. -- Hoary ( talk) 02:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
A few thoughts:
Hope this helps; let me know if you have questions.-- Spangineer ws (háblame) 16:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I note that the section "President of Duke University" is sourced to a single book. This book is published by a university press, and one can presume that it's written knowledgably and conscientiously. However, this doesn't mean that it's neutral or that what it says is not contentious. (There are of course plenty of examples of strong disagreements among history books published by university presses.) That it's published by Duke University Press does raise the suspicion that it is akin to an authorized history, and authorized histories do tend toward rosiness.
It's very likely that I'm making unjustified insinuations here. Still, it would be better if the section didn't arouse suspicions, even unjustified suspicions. Thus I recommend supplementing Covington and Ellis's view of Sanford/Duke as tolerant and successful with the view of at least one other historian/book unrelated to Duke. Surely there are surveys of US university dissent of that period. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
We're told:
That's a major claim. And where's it sourced? The blurb for a book on Sanford.
Please, no. The publishers of biographies -- even the academic publishers of academic biographies -- routinely pump up the significance of the biographees. After all, they want to move more copies. An assertion such as this must be sourced to a disinterested authority, for example a institutional/political history of the postwar South. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Added more, how's it look now? — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
This baffles me. -- Hoary ( talk) 23:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't see the big deal. I found them on a web search. If they didn't want them available to the public they wouldn't have put them on the open internet. Are you saying MA work isn't credible? I honestly find that hard to believe. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Good points, but you can't find most books on the web either and we use them. But I'll see what I can do with other refs for these items. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I've asked someone who would probably know wiki policy/precedent on this. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
No problem. It's gone. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
According to The New York Times obit here (and multiple-cited inline), Sanford got his bachelor's degree in 1939 and the law degree followed his WWII military service, so I've clarified that in the article. Also beefed up the Lead to make it more of a comprehensive summary for FAC. JGHowes talk - 18:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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We're told that Lincoln wrote:
I don't think that we need to know Kennedy's posture. But such superfluity is the least important problem here. It's blazingly obvious that Mrs Lincoln wouldn't have written that Mrs Lincoln went on to write something or other.
This is sourced to Lincoln's book Kennedy and Johnson. Well actually no it isn't: it's sourced to this chrestomathy compiled by person(s) unnamed, which shows clear signs of having got garbled. Now, I can make guesses about how it has got garbled, and thus of what could be done with it to make it look convincing and probably not too far from what's actually written in the book. But this isn't good enough.
I'm not in the US and I don't have access to any library that's good for this kind of thing. So I can't volunteer for the following tiresome but necessary work: looking up this quotation (and any other quotation that comes via a dodgy website) in the original book. -- Hoary ( talk) 02:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
A few thoughts:
Hope this helps; let me know if you have questions.-- Spangineer ws (háblame) 16:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I note that the section "President of Duke University" is sourced to a single book. This book is published by a university press, and one can presume that it's written knowledgably and conscientiously. However, this doesn't mean that it's neutral or that what it says is not contentious. (There are of course plenty of examples of strong disagreements among history books published by university presses.) That it's published by Duke University Press does raise the suspicion that it is akin to an authorized history, and authorized histories do tend toward rosiness.
It's very likely that I'm making unjustified insinuations here. Still, it would be better if the section didn't arouse suspicions, even unjustified suspicions. Thus I recommend supplementing Covington and Ellis's view of Sanford/Duke as tolerant and successful with the view of at least one other historian/book unrelated to Duke. Surely there are surveys of US university dissent of that period. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
We're told:
That's a major claim. And where's it sourced? The blurb for a book on Sanford.
Please, no. The publishers of biographies -- even the academic publishers of academic biographies -- routinely pump up the significance of the biographees. After all, they want to move more copies. An assertion such as this must be sourced to a disinterested authority, for example a institutional/political history of the postwar South. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Added more, how's it look now? — Rlevse • Talk • 02:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
This baffles me. -- Hoary ( talk) 23:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't see the big deal. I found them on a web search. If they didn't want them available to the public they wouldn't have put them on the open internet. Are you saying MA work isn't credible? I honestly find that hard to believe. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Good points, but you can't find most books on the web either and we use them. But I'll see what I can do with other refs for these items. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I've asked someone who would probably know wiki policy/precedent on this. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
No problem. It's gone. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
According to The New York Times obit here (and multiple-cited inline), Sanford got his bachelor's degree in 1939 and the law degree followed his WWII military service, so I've clarified that in the article. Also beefed up the Lead to make it more of a comprehensive summary for FAC. JGHowes talk - 18:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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