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In the light of Terri having died, we should be careful to review past and present tense as used in the article. The argument between the two parties might not have ended when she passed away. [[User:Rickyrab| Rickyrab | Talk]] 23:09, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Can we remove the "ongoing event" tag? Or should we wait until the autopsy? Meelar (talk) 03:45, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
I am fairly certain that the parents were not present when Michael Schiavo told the family to leave the hospice. The brother and sister of Terri were the only ones present.
All the CNN article says is that the parents were not allowed to see her when they were informed of her last moments. They were not in the room and told to leave as this entry seems to suggest. The siblings were told to leave and the parents were told they could not see her.
I re-wrote the introduction and removed the redundant material but a user has reverted it. If anyone one feels this is better you can restore it yourself as I do not have an interest in the subject. I was only trying to improve it. However the current intro is bias. I dislike this material: "Mrs. Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who are both practicing Catholics" - why does her parents religion need to be in the intro? "after 13 days without a feeding tube." - this is an obvious attempt at POV to emphasize something already stated when the courts granted it earlier in the intro "husband's successful efforts to discontinue life support prompted a fierce debate over bioethics, euthanasia, legal guardianship, federalism, and civil rights, while overcoming active counter-efforts to keep her alive." - this paralell is a bad one, implying that others supported her "life" while her husband "supported" her death when in reality it was they supported the life support and he opposed it as artificial.
I've just removed and then replaced the claim that their name is pronounced /SHY-voe/. It does look unlikely to me — though Europeans are always cautious when it comes to U.S. pronunciation of names, as almost anything can turn out to be correct (as in the surnames 'Loux' and 'Proulx'). Is there any evidence that this is really how the family pronounces their name? I've found conflicting evidence on the Web (and see this discussion). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 21:12, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and is the photograph really 'fair use'? On what grounds? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 21:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Someone asked, and I think it's been archived already, how Terri could receive Last Rites without confessing. Answer here. -- Baylink 22:17, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The summary of the March 28 New York Times report does not match what the New York Times states, even though the paper's report appears muddled itself concerning "sale" and then "rent". Nevertheless, I did not read "that the Schindlers have compiled a list of people", so I think that should be rewritten. - Wikibob | Talk 02:42, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC)
Do we have a list of the neurologists and their medical opinions, yet? I believe there were at least eight who examined Schiavo and supported the PVS diagnosis. -- Viriditas | Talk 11:05, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
link to some neurologists [8]
These are the names I could pull from the timeline: (holes are indicated)
Here's a link for a story that cites several of the doctors involved in the 2002 evidentiary hearing.
las vegas sun article -- Minaflorida 21:55, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Beatrice C. Engstrand, M.D., is an board-certified neurologist, a Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology, and an Assistant Professor of Neurology at the New York Medical College. In her affidavit she wrote, "I think [Terri Schiavo] is minimally conscious at least. She may even be conscious." [12]
Jacob Green, M.D., Ph.D., is a board-certified neurologist, trained in both neurology and neurological surgery, who has published six textbooks and more than 60 papers in peer-reviewed journals. He states, "Ms. Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state... Terri Schiavo should be re-evaluated for the correct diagnosis... it is my professional opinion that the correct diagnosis for Terri is, in fact, minimally conscious state and not presistent vegetative state... new technology, which is called functional magnetic resonance imaging or fMRI, can measure brain activity by creating multdimensional images of blood flow to various parts of the activated brain... Terri Schiavo deserves the opportunity to be treated for her minimally conscious state condition and she deserves to have the benefit of new technology that was not available prior to the court's original ruling on her condition." [13]
Carolyn Heron, M.D., is a board-certified Physical, Medical and Rehabilitation (PMR) doctor. She states, "Based on my opinion, Ms. Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state (PVS)... she is at least in a minimally conscious state (MCS). I believe that she is better than minimally conscious." [14] NCdave 13:33, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think the current table of contents is a little too large, especially the "recent developments" section (which, incidentally, may need a better title). Perhaps it should be condensed a bit? I would do it but thought I'd leave it to people active at this article. violet/riga (t) 14:17, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've removed two sections from this talk page (see history) because of the rule that Wikipedia is not a soapbox, chatroom or discussion forum. I appreciate that the rights and wrongs of this affair are matters of great importance to all of us, and I think that those with opinions on the matter should express them. But not in this talk page, which is solely for discussion of this encyclopedia article. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 19:03, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I overhauled the artiucle in order to correct some pretty ropy grammar, and to bring links, etc., into Wikipedia style. In the mindless revert wars, my painstaking copy-edits were lost. I replaced them; they've gone again. I've better things to do than try to clean up this article against the wishes of other editors. It looks pretty embarrassingly amateurish in places (e.g., he 'awoke out of bed'), but if you're all happy with that, there's little I can do. I'll Unwatch it and let you all get on with it. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 13:48, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The "Recent Developments" section needs refactoring and renaming. Most of it is political or judicial maneuvaring. Perhaps call it "Government Involvment" or something. Not sure how much of it needs to be kept and how much could be whittled down. The parts "burial" and "autopsy" are the only parts directly about Terri and should be extracted to their own sections. FuelWagon 13:16, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The political history in the article (terri's law, Delay, George and Jeb Bush) take up almost half teh space. Anyone wanna take a stab at whittling it down? FuelWagon 17:49, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I just fixed up some stuff re the FL Legislature's actions because it was a bit inaccurate in how it referred to the different measures put forth by the House and Senate. I also added links to the bills. I just realized I wasn't signed in, though, so it just shows my ISP # or whatever that thing is called. (; Oopsie! I have made that little blurb longer than it was before, however. I'll try to tackle the "recent developments" section as a whole and make it a bit smaller. -- Minaflorida 19:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK. I took a look at the recent developments section and the place that I think could use some whittling is the "Politicians" part. I don't want to go cutting things out that folks think should be in there, though. To me, it seems like most of the "these politicians sided with A, and these politicians sided with B" stuff is less relevant than the quotes that are there (which I think should stay) and the actual legala actions taken by these politicians. Thoughts? --
Minaflorida 19:40, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, if the "who's side are they on" stuff was taken out and it was refactored to list only the actions which did have (or would have had) a direct impact on Terri, then maybe we could get it to a managable size. FuelWagon 20:45, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Here's what I'm thinking: I have taken a look at the Politicians section under recent developments and it has a few redundancies. The 1999 Texas bill Then-Gov. Bush signed is already covered in the U.S. Congress section. That seems out of place, so I would propose moving that bit of information to the "Politicians" section. Perhaps we could change the heading to "Political Implications" or "Political Division" or something like that. The "Politicians" sections contains some stuff that is not particularly relevant to Terri Schiavo's case. It seems odd to dwell on the fact that Tom DeLay removed his parents from life support. It does not seem relevant and, while I personally think the guy is a hypocrite, this doesn't seem like the appropriate place to point it out. Here's what I'd do to the "Politicians" section:
Some conservatives, such as former Representative Bob Barr, have expressed concern about the implications for federalism of a bill that involves the federal government in a matter traditionally left to the states. [41] ( http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=604895) Many Democrats have simply stayed away from the controversy. Especially outspoken Democratic congresspeople who have protested the federal intervention include Henry Waxman, Robert Wexler, Barney Frank, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Republican House Representative Tom DeLay of Texas and Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee, a cardiac surgeon, spoke in favor of keeping Schiavo alive, as did President George W. Bush. Democratic Senators Tom Harkin and Kent Conrad have also supported federal intervention in the Schiavo case, although Republican Representative Dave Reichert was against it.
President Bush came under fire from right-to-die supporters, accused of having double-standards because as Governor of Texas he had personally signed into Texas law a right-to-die law, the Advance Directives Act. [40] ( http://www.premack.com/Medical-Legal.htm) This law, one of only three in the nation, allows a hospital under certain circumstances to end life-prolonging measures even against a living will or the will of the patient's family.
On Schiavo's passing, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said, "This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change. The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another." President Bush said "I appreciate the example of grace and dignity [the family has] displayed at a difficult time. I urge all those who honor Terri Schiavo to continue to work to build a culture of life where all Americans are welcomed and valued and protected, especially those who live at the mercy of others." [45] ( http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050331/NEWS01/50331019/1002)
I have left in some of the "who they supprted" stuff since it seems to fall under the category of "Politics" and is probably important information for the reader to understand that this was anything but a partisan issue.
I would change the link for the Advance Care Directive, 1999 bill, because the old link is not functioning.
I am interested in getting feedback, because I don't want to impose my edit on everyone if it isn't satisfactory. I think it's important to leave in the federalism concerns as that's a huge part of this case's effect on the country as a whole and is the common ground for many conservatives and liberals re this case. Once I get some feedback, I will go ahead and make changes. Cheers!-- Minaflorida 13:06, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Minaflorida, I didn't post feedback when requested. I have almost ZERO attachment to any of the political bullshit that happened the last two weeks of Terri's life. DeLay's grandstanding, Jeb's maneuvars, and George's stuff, are all so much chest-thumping that I think it's a waste of space in the article. Anything that you deleted would have been fine with me. I suppose that some might want to know the history of it, so maybe if each action were boiled down to a single sentence, then at least it wouldn't reward the grandstanders by letting them grandstand on wikipedia. But that's just me. FuelWagon 00:03, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Am I the only one interested in doing this? The talk page is over 300kb in size. Mike H 09:10, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
I've refactored and deleted a good amount of stuff this morning, the bits that seemed like they could be useful references were moved to archive 13, and the rest deleted. I'm sure all the regulars are familiar by now with what does and does not belong on the Talk page (and have made decisions for themselves as to whether they feel inclined to ignore those guidelines), but I'm such a fan of redundancy that I'm going to hit my favorite points again:
Fox1 11:46, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Tony Sidaway and FuelWagon have systematically DELETED my contributions to this discussion, to enforce their POV. They've not archived anything, they've not limited their deletions to inactive conversations. They just delete what they don't like hearing.
Is everyone here okay with that? Or does SOMEONE besides me think that we ought to be able to discuss what is incorrect in the article, on the discussion page? NCdave 00:14, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
NCdave's complaint is legitimate in that I haven't yet completed my promised paste to an archive file. I'll get onto it as soon as I can spare the time. IN the meantime, we have some slightly less cluttered talk page sections that actually, for the most part, discuss what they're supposed to be about. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 15:26, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hiedi Law and Trudi Capone's affidavits were never presented as evidence. They were never brought to testify by the Schindlers, because it was obvious that the information they are trying to pass off as the truth is nonsense that would be shredded in a court of law. Just saying there are affidavits doesn't mean they're true. Rick K 04:15, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Page 48-49 Q. Have you considered turning the guardianship over to Mr. and Mrs. Schindler? SCHIAVO: No, I have not. Q. And why? SCHIAVO: I think that's pretty self explanatory. Q. I'd like to hear your answer. SCHIAVO: Basically I don't want to do it. Q. And why don't you want to do it? SCHIAVO: Because they put me through pretty much hell the last few years. Q. And can you describe what you mean by hell? SCHIAVO: The litigations they put me through. Q. Any other specifics besides the litigation? SCHIAVO: Just their attitude towards me because of the litigations. There is no other reason. I'm Terri's husband and I will remain guardian.
Mr. Felos: There may be a question or two of clarification. Can I have just a minute to talk with my client?
Page 51 Felos: You were also asked a question about resigning as guardian or would you consider that. Upon reflection, is there anything that you want to add in response to that question? SCHIAVO: Yeah. Another reason would be that her parents wouldn't carry out her wishes.
I listed Iyer's allegations from her affadavit in the timeline article, along with some of the facts that conflict with her claims. I believe I limited it to the facts. Please correct anything you see that strays from the facts. FuelWagon 13:19, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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In the light of Terri having died, we should be careful to review past and present tense as used in the article. The argument between the two parties might not have ended when she passed away. [[User:Rickyrab| Rickyrab | Talk]] 23:09, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Can we remove the "ongoing event" tag? Or should we wait until the autopsy? Meelar (talk) 03:45, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
I am fairly certain that the parents were not present when Michael Schiavo told the family to leave the hospice. The brother and sister of Terri were the only ones present.
All the CNN article says is that the parents were not allowed to see her when they were informed of her last moments. They were not in the room and told to leave as this entry seems to suggest. The siblings were told to leave and the parents were told they could not see her.
I re-wrote the introduction and removed the redundant material but a user has reverted it. If anyone one feels this is better you can restore it yourself as I do not have an interest in the subject. I was only trying to improve it. However the current intro is bias. I dislike this material: "Mrs. Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who are both practicing Catholics" - why does her parents religion need to be in the intro? "after 13 days without a feeding tube." - this is an obvious attempt at POV to emphasize something already stated when the courts granted it earlier in the intro "husband's successful efforts to discontinue life support prompted a fierce debate over bioethics, euthanasia, legal guardianship, federalism, and civil rights, while overcoming active counter-efforts to keep her alive." - this paralell is a bad one, implying that others supported her "life" while her husband "supported" her death when in reality it was they supported the life support and he opposed it as artificial.
I've just removed and then replaced the claim that their name is pronounced /SHY-voe/. It does look unlikely to me — though Europeans are always cautious when it comes to U.S. pronunciation of names, as almost anything can turn out to be correct (as in the surnames 'Loux' and 'Proulx'). Is there any evidence that this is really how the family pronounces their name? I've found conflicting evidence on the Web (and see this discussion). Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 21:12, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and is the photograph really 'fair use'? On what grounds? Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 21:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Someone asked, and I think it's been archived already, how Terri could receive Last Rites without confessing. Answer here. -- Baylink 22:17, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The summary of the March 28 New York Times report does not match what the New York Times states, even though the paper's report appears muddled itself concerning "sale" and then "rent". Nevertheless, I did not read "that the Schindlers have compiled a list of people", so I think that should be rewritten. - Wikibob | Talk 02:42, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC)
Do we have a list of the neurologists and their medical opinions, yet? I believe there were at least eight who examined Schiavo and supported the PVS diagnosis. -- Viriditas | Talk 11:05, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
link to some neurologists [8]
These are the names I could pull from the timeline: (holes are indicated)
Here's a link for a story that cites several of the doctors involved in the 2002 evidentiary hearing.
las vegas sun article -- Minaflorida 21:55, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Beatrice C. Engstrand, M.D., is an board-certified neurologist, a Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology, and an Assistant Professor of Neurology at the New York Medical College. In her affidavit she wrote, "I think [Terri Schiavo] is minimally conscious at least. She may even be conscious." [12]
Jacob Green, M.D., Ph.D., is a board-certified neurologist, trained in both neurology and neurological surgery, who has published six textbooks and more than 60 papers in peer-reviewed journals. He states, "Ms. Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state... Terri Schiavo should be re-evaluated for the correct diagnosis... it is my professional opinion that the correct diagnosis for Terri is, in fact, minimally conscious state and not presistent vegetative state... new technology, which is called functional magnetic resonance imaging or fMRI, can measure brain activity by creating multdimensional images of blood flow to various parts of the activated brain... Terri Schiavo deserves the opportunity to be treated for her minimally conscious state condition and she deserves to have the benefit of new technology that was not available prior to the court's original ruling on her condition." [13]
Carolyn Heron, M.D., is a board-certified Physical, Medical and Rehabilitation (PMR) doctor. She states, "Based on my opinion, Ms. Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state (PVS)... she is at least in a minimally conscious state (MCS). I believe that she is better than minimally conscious." [14] NCdave 13:33, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think the current table of contents is a little too large, especially the "recent developments" section (which, incidentally, may need a better title). Perhaps it should be condensed a bit? I would do it but thought I'd leave it to people active at this article. violet/riga (t) 14:17, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've removed two sections from this talk page (see history) because of the rule that Wikipedia is not a soapbox, chatroom or discussion forum. I appreciate that the rights and wrongs of this affair are matters of great importance to all of us, and I think that those with opinions on the matter should express them. But not in this talk page, which is solely for discussion of this encyclopedia article. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 19:03, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I overhauled the artiucle in order to correct some pretty ropy grammar, and to bring links, etc., into Wikipedia style. In the mindless revert wars, my painstaking copy-edits were lost. I replaced them; they've gone again. I've better things to do than try to clean up this article against the wishes of other editors. It looks pretty embarrassingly amateurish in places (e.g., he 'awoke out of bed'), but if you're all happy with that, there's little I can do. I'll Unwatch it and let you all get on with it. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 13:48, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The "Recent Developments" section needs refactoring and renaming. Most of it is political or judicial maneuvaring. Perhaps call it "Government Involvment" or something. Not sure how much of it needs to be kept and how much could be whittled down. The parts "burial" and "autopsy" are the only parts directly about Terri and should be extracted to their own sections. FuelWagon 13:16, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The political history in the article (terri's law, Delay, George and Jeb Bush) take up almost half teh space. Anyone wanna take a stab at whittling it down? FuelWagon 17:49, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I just fixed up some stuff re the FL Legislature's actions because it was a bit inaccurate in how it referred to the different measures put forth by the House and Senate. I also added links to the bills. I just realized I wasn't signed in, though, so it just shows my ISP # or whatever that thing is called. (; Oopsie! I have made that little blurb longer than it was before, however. I'll try to tackle the "recent developments" section as a whole and make it a bit smaller. -- Minaflorida 19:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK. I took a look at the recent developments section and the place that I think could use some whittling is the "Politicians" part. I don't want to go cutting things out that folks think should be in there, though. To me, it seems like most of the "these politicians sided with A, and these politicians sided with B" stuff is less relevant than the quotes that are there (which I think should stay) and the actual legala actions taken by these politicians. Thoughts? --
Minaflorida 19:40, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, if the "who's side are they on" stuff was taken out and it was refactored to list only the actions which did have (or would have had) a direct impact on Terri, then maybe we could get it to a managable size. FuelWagon 20:45, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Here's what I'm thinking: I have taken a look at the Politicians section under recent developments and it has a few redundancies. The 1999 Texas bill Then-Gov. Bush signed is already covered in the U.S. Congress section. That seems out of place, so I would propose moving that bit of information to the "Politicians" section. Perhaps we could change the heading to "Political Implications" or "Political Division" or something like that. The "Politicians" sections contains some stuff that is not particularly relevant to Terri Schiavo's case. It seems odd to dwell on the fact that Tom DeLay removed his parents from life support. It does not seem relevant and, while I personally think the guy is a hypocrite, this doesn't seem like the appropriate place to point it out. Here's what I'd do to the "Politicians" section:
Some conservatives, such as former Representative Bob Barr, have expressed concern about the implications for federalism of a bill that involves the federal government in a matter traditionally left to the states. [41] ( http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=604895) Many Democrats have simply stayed away from the controversy. Especially outspoken Democratic congresspeople who have protested the federal intervention include Henry Waxman, Robert Wexler, Barney Frank, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Republican House Representative Tom DeLay of Texas and Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee, a cardiac surgeon, spoke in favor of keeping Schiavo alive, as did President George W. Bush. Democratic Senators Tom Harkin and Kent Conrad have also supported federal intervention in the Schiavo case, although Republican Representative Dave Reichert was against it.
President Bush came under fire from right-to-die supporters, accused of having double-standards because as Governor of Texas he had personally signed into Texas law a right-to-die law, the Advance Directives Act. [40] ( http://www.premack.com/Medical-Legal.htm) This law, one of only three in the nation, allows a hospital under certain circumstances to end life-prolonging measures even against a living will or the will of the patient's family.
On Schiavo's passing, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said, "This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change. The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another." President Bush said "I appreciate the example of grace and dignity [the family has] displayed at a difficult time. I urge all those who honor Terri Schiavo to continue to work to build a culture of life where all Americans are welcomed and valued and protected, especially those who live at the mercy of others." [45] ( http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050331/NEWS01/50331019/1002)
I have left in some of the "who they supprted" stuff since it seems to fall under the category of "Politics" and is probably important information for the reader to understand that this was anything but a partisan issue.
I would change the link for the Advance Care Directive, 1999 bill, because the old link is not functioning.
I am interested in getting feedback, because I don't want to impose my edit on everyone if it isn't satisfactory. I think it's important to leave in the federalism concerns as that's a huge part of this case's effect on the country as a whole and is the common ground for many conservatives and liberals re this case. Once I get some feedback, I will go ahead and make changes. Cheers!-- Minaflorida 13:06, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Minaflorida, I didn't post feedback when requested. I have almost ZERO attachment to any of the political bullshit that happened the last two weeks of Terri's life. DeLay's grandstanding, Jeb's maneuvars, and George's stuff, are all so much chest-thumping that I think it's a waste of space in the article. Anything that you deleted would have been fine with me. I suppose that some might want to know the history of it, so maybe if each action were boiled down to a single sentence, then at least it wouldn't reward the grandstanders by letting them grandstand on wikipedia. But that's just me. FuelWagon 00:03, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Am I the only one interested in doing this? The talk page is over 300kb in size. Mike H 09:10, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
I've refactored and deleted a good amount of stuff this morning, the bits that seemed like they could be useful references were moved to archive 13, and the rest deleted. I'm sure all the regulars are familiar by now with what does and does not belong on the Talk page (and have made decisions for themselves as to whether they feel inclined to ignore those guidelines), but I'm such a fan of redundancy that I'm going to hit my favorite points again:
Fox1 11:46, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Tony Sidaway and FuelWagon have systematically DELETED my contributions to this discussion, to enforce their POV. They've not archived anything, they've not limited their deletions to inactive conversations. They just delete what they don't like hearing.
Is everyone here okay with that? Or does SOMEONE besides me think that we ought to be able to discuss what is incorrect in the article, on the discussion page? NCdave 00:14, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
NCdave's complaint is legitimate in that I haven't yet completed my promised paste to an archive file. I'll get onto it as soon as I can spare the time. IN the meantime, we have some slightly less cluttered talk page sections that actually, for the most part, discuss what they're supposed to be about. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 15:26, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hiedi Law and Trudi Capone's affidavits were never presented as evidence. They were never brought to testify by the Schindlers, because it was obvious that the information they are trying to pass off as the truth is nonsense that would be shredded in a court of law. Just saying there are affidavits doesn't mean they're true. Rick K 04:15, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Page 48-49 Q. Have you considered turning the guardianship over to Mr. and Mrs. Schindler? SCHIAVO: No, I have not. Q. And why? SCHIAVO: I think that's pretty self explanatory. Q. I'd like to hear your answer. SCHIAVO: Basically I don't want to do it. Q. And why don't you want to do it? SCHIAVO: Because they put me through pretty much hell the last few years. Q. And can you describe what you mean by hell? SCHIAVO: The litigations they put me through. Q. Any other specifics besides the litigation? SCHIAVO: Just their attitude towards me because of the litigations. There is no other reason. I'm Terri's husband and I will remain guardian.
Mr. Felos: There may be a question or two of clarification. Can I have just a minute to talk with my client?
Page 51 Felos: You were also asked a question about resigning as guardian or would you consider that. Upon reflection, is there anything that you want to add in response to that question? SCHIAVO: Yeah. Another reason would be that her parents wouldn't carry out her wishes.
I listed Iyer's allegations from her affadavit in the timeline article, along with some of the facts that conflict with her claims. I believe I limited it to the facts. Please correct anything you see that strays from the facts. FuelWagon 13:19, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)