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I was redirected to this page from typing in 'terminator gene.'
"The terminator gene" refered to technology produced by Monsanto which would render their patented plants incapable of producing viable seeds. The pollen from such plants would also produce non-viable seeds. Monsanto has vowed to never commercialize the technology.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/465222.stm
I expanded on rho dependent termination. Chandler.c.ho ( talk) 08:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the valuable input. We'll work on the language. 68.65.175.12 ( talk) 16:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys, here are my comments on what you've done so far. Please ask if you have any questions!
Keep working! All the best, Keilana| Parlez ici 21:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Overall – You’ve definitely expanded on the original work by a great deal. It’s a good start, but a lot more detail and references are out there to be added.
Lead section – The lead looks good. It provides the general background and indicates why the topic is important. It is able to stand alone and leads into the rest of the material naturally.
In prokaryotes – This section looks like it’s really off to a good start. You could go more into the machinery and its function, especially about Rho itself. As well, any evolutionary explanation tends to put most concepts into a broad and more understandable framework. The referenced articles are good and should lead you to more material in their cited works and work that cites them. Be careful about attributing all material in a review article or introduction to just the review and not to the original sources as cited in the review.
In eukaryotes – Obviously there is a lot more that can be added here. It’s a complex but decently well understood system. And even where things aren’t understood so well, like how exactly polyadenylation is linked to termination, current hypotheses can be stated as such. There is a lot of good information out there. A simple PubMed search on “eukaryotic transcription termination” leads to quite a few review articles to get you started.
Images – I know it can be hard to find relevant commercial use images for topics like these, but they really can be helpful and make the article more aesthetically pleasing.
I second everything Keilana said. I was told our page was too technically jargon laden as well. While not dumbing it down, try to break up the sentences a little into material digestible by someone not working on a master’s degree.
You did a good job with the intra-wiki links. Just a few additional suggestions -
Hope this all was helpful. Good luck. Seanmcaruthers ( talk) 00:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I thought I'd add my 0.02NZD too.
Keep up the good work folks. -- Paul ( talk) 01:23, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
hey oalnafo I added torpedo section. do you want me to add the allosteric model too? Please add more information to torpedo if needed. Thanks Chandler.c.ho ( talk) 20:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
oalnafo, do you think you can find some images for torpedo model? i'm adding RNAi section soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandler.c.ho ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
The article is looking great so far! I only have a few suggestions / comments:
It looks great! Rebeccachappel ( talk) 21:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
The article seems to be really moving away from a stub and towards being a Good Article! I like the figures in the article too.
I think that a title “In Prokaryotes” is a slightly awkward, maybe you should name it “Termination in Prokaryotes.” Can you also add “And/or” between end and transcription in the paragraph under your “In Pprokaryotes”?
I think that there will be a better flow of an article if you switched the order two sections: Rho-independent terminators and Rho-Dependent Terminators, because I first would like to know what Rho function is and how termination occurs when it depends on Rho, and then It’s easier to follow Rho independent termination description.
Under Rho independent Terminators, can you clarify this part of a sentence: “hairpin formation causes RNA polymerase stalling indirectly promoting dissociation of the complex” . Also, maybe expanding on the basis of NusA interactions with RNA polymerase will help expand on this topic. I also noticed that Tau can be one other transcription factor, so that can also be expanded into a potential new paragraph, especially when your article is not very long yet.
Let me know if these comments help,
rokas ( talk) 03:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Klortho ( talk) 06:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Sarah Facci ( talk) 06:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Your article's biggest strength is in its organization. You have done a great job breaking the topic down into bite sized pieces that are easy to digest. You also manage to give a good overview of these topics in their associated sections. Your wikilinking is done quite well, the sources are solid, and the picture does a good job of overviewing prokaryotic termination. So I would say that everything that you have added is well done and necessary.
In terms of what can be improved, I feel like the topics warrant more information. Especially in the eukaryotic section I feel like there is still much to be written and explained. In the last paragraph you talk about conformational change but you do not explain it. I think you should go into more detail there about why polyadenylation is not compatible with RNA polymerase. I feel like more can be added to all of your sections. If you do not feel like expanding, you should at least find more articles to back up your few claims. The more definitive the subject is, the less you have to write but the more you need to cite. I also believe that a picture for eukaryotic termination or some chart comparing it to prokaryotic termination would be a great addition.
Also for a small edit, clean up your see also section. Make sure those are bullet points.
Dmille96 ( talk) 03:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi everybody! I'm so happy to see a lot of improvement from last time. Here's a few more comments as we reach the end of the semester.
Good luck with the end of the semester, and feel free to ask me any questions! Best, Keilana| Parlez ici 00:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Terminator (genetics)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Rated "high" as part of gene structure, goes together with promoter, exon and intron. - tameeria 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 07:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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I was redirected to this page from typing in 'terminator gene.'
"The terminator gene" refered to technology produced by Monsanto which would render their patented plants incapable of producing viable seeds. The pollen from such plants would also produce non-viable seeds. Monsanto has vowed to never commercialize the technology.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/465222.stm
I expanded on rho dependent termination. Chandler.c.ho ( talk) 08:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the valuable input. We'll work on the language. 68.65.175.12 ( talk) 16:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys, here are my comments on what you've done so far. Please ask if you have any questions!
Keep working! All the best, Keilana| Parlez ici 21:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Overall – You’ve definitely expanded on the original work by a great deal. It’s a good start, but a lot more detail and references are out there to be added.
Lead section – The lead looks good. It provides the general background and indicates why the topic is important. It is able to stand alone and leads into the rest of the material naturally.
In prokaryotes – This section looks like it’s really off to a good start. You could go more into the machinery and its function, especially about Rho itself. As well, any evolutionary explanation tends to put most concepts into a broad and more understandable framework. The referenced articles are good and should lead you to more material in their cited works and work that cites them. Be careful about attributing all material in a review article or introduction to just the review and not to the original sources as cited in the review.
In eukaryotes – Obviously there is a lot more that can be added here. It’s a complex but decently well understood system. And even where things aren’t understood so well, like how exactly polyadenylation is linked to termination, current hypotheses can be stated as such. There is a lot of good information out there. A simple PubMed search on “eukaryotic transcription termination” leads to quite a few review articles to get you started.
Images – I know it can be hard to find relevant commercial use images for topics like these, but they really can be helpful and make the article more aesthetically pleasing.
I second everything Keilana said. I was told our page was too technically jargon laden as well. While not dumbing it down, try to break up the sentences a little into material digestible by someone not working on a master’s degree.
You did a good job with the intra-wiki links. Just a few additional suggestions -
Hope this all was helpful. Good luck. Seanmcaruthers ( talk) 00:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I thought I'd add my 0.02NZD too.
Keep up the good work folks. -- Paul ( talk) 01:23, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
hey oalnafo I added torpedo section. do you want me to add the allosteric model too? Please add more information to torpedo if needed. Thanks Chandler.c.ho ( talk) 20:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
oalnafo, do you think you can find some images for torpedo model? i'm adding RNAi section soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandler.c.ho ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
The article is looking great so far! I only have a few suggestions / comments:
It looks great! Rebeccachappel ( talk) 21:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
The article seems to be really moving away from a stub and towards being a Good Article! I like the figures in the article too.
I think that a title “In Prokaryotes” is a slightly awkward, maybe you should name it “Termination in Prokaryotes.” Can you also add “And/or” between end and transcription in the paragraph under your “In Pprokaryotes”?
I think that there will be a better flow of an article if you switched the order two sections: Rho-independent terminators and Rho-Dependent Terminators, because I first would like to know what Rho function is and how termination occurs when it depends on Rho, and then It’s easier to follow Rho independent termination description.
Under Rho independent Terminators, can you clarify this part of a sentence: “hairpin formation causes RNA polymerase stalling indirectly promoting dissociation of the complex” . Also, maybe expanding on the basis of NusA interactions with RNA polymerase will help expand on this topic. I also noticed that Tau can be one other transcription factor, so that can also be expanded into a potential new paragraph, especially when your article is not very long yet.
Let me know if these comments help,
rokas ( talk) 03:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Klortho ( talk) 06:18, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Sarah Facci ( talk) 06:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Your article's biggest strength is in its organization. You have done a great job breaking the topic down into bite sized pieces that are easy to digest. You also manage to give a good overview of these topics in their associated sections. Your wikilinking is done quite well, the sources are solid, and the picture does a good job of overviewing prokaryotic termination. So I would say that everything that you have added is well done and necessary.
In terms of what can be improved, I feel like the topics warrant more information. Especially in the eukaryotic section I feel like there is still much to be written and explained. In the last paragraph you talk about conformational change but you do not explain it. I think you should go into more detail there about why polyadenylation is not compatible with RNA polymerase. I feel like more can be added to all of your sections. If you do not feel like expanding, you should at least find more articles to back up your few claims. The more definitive the subject is, the less you have to write but the more you need to cite. I also believe that a picture for eukaryotic termination or some chart comparing it to prokaryotic termination would be a great addition.
Also for a small edit, clean up your see also section. Make sure those are bullet points.
Dmille96 ( talk) 03:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi everybody! I'm so happy to see a lot of improvement from last time. Here's a few more comments as we reach the end of the semester.
Good luck with the end of the semester, and feel free to ask me any questions! Best, Keilana| Parlez ici 00:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Terminator (genetics)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Rated "high" as part of gene structure, goes together with promoter, exon and intron. - tameeria 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 01:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 07:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)