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This article has become a political hack job, not a biography. The information about this woman's life is overshadowed by quick jabs and long diatribes intended to highlight implied negative traits. The overwhelming use of derogatory anecdotes in a biography without balance is unforgivable in a forum that purports to be a responsible disseminator of information.
On http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/noticias/story/2004/03/printable/040304_lucasmendes.shtml they have Maria Teresa Cristina Thierstein Simões-Ferreira. I cannot find any other refences with Cristina as part of her name.
On a recent interview on Larry King Live, I recall her mentioning that she officially switched from the Republican party in response to some practices of a congressional candidate. Does anybody know more details? -- NeuronExMachina 09:37, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The "shove it" incident should be mentioned. Mike H 02:07, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
I think it is also worth mentioning that there's a history of anymosity between the Heinz family and that particular paper.
It is said that she was a colleague of Madeleine Albright - what does this mean? Rick K 22:47, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
Since nobody has answered my question, I removed the section on friends and colleagues as unimportant. Rick K 21:43, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)
I was so shocked to discover that Sen Kerry's wife is the former wife of John Heinz. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting this woman as part of her entourage during the Xmas holidays in Pittsburgh, PA during the seventies. I worked for the city and I got to see first hand, the program the Heinz company has for their employees during the holidays. Apparently it was a tradition going back to Sen Heinz's grandfather. This tradition involves the company providing holiday gifts and a party for tgheir employees and immediate family. She was carrying the ball for the family then, and from what I hear from my firends in Pittsburgh, she has continued this tradition that binds this community with this family. Last night I heard her speech and I now have some hope that at least, America has a choice this Fall. Who are we going as a people in the next decade?
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The so-called "Shove it" incident is being covered in excruciating detail over on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review article. The section is hovering around 1000 words, and growing, which makes it already twice as long as the rest of the article. Therefore, I am inclined to spin it off into its own article. However I can't think of a good article title. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to participate in trimming the version of events at the Trib-Review article, feel free to jump in. Some of the material, such as accusations of funding radical causes and of having an abrasive personality, may be relevent here. I've deleted some that was totally irrelevent to the newspaper, but it can be resurrected. Cheers, - Willmcw 23:58, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
An exchange of words between the wife of an unsuccessful presidential candidate and an editor of a minor city newspaper does not deserve its own encyclopedia article. We shouldn't create one just to satisfy a rude anonymous editor who is probably an employee of that same newspaper. I'm sure we can cut the material down to an appropriate length. Gamaliel 04:48, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes, the "rude" editor who noted that a certain unnamed person consistently used libel ("intentional lies") to castigate that newspaper AND the wife of a prominent political candidate. Yes, we trust him to edit something about either the newspaper or her.
And, regardless, that anonymous commentator doesn't want a unique encyclopedia article on a minor, trifling incident. The only reason the entry grew on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review entry was because of misleading, inaccurate and, quite frankly, libelous language.
But mention such things and one becomes "rude." How about accurate? (unsigned by user:147.72.93.172).
This is beginning to seem like a cult, all these Wikipedia types jotting down opinion in the place of fact. Of the three names I notice from above, one continued to print what in law is known as an "intentional lie," a falsehood that he knowingly employed to characterize a commercial entity. In more common parlance, this is known as libel. To call it what it is, one is then receives the stamp of "rude."
I would call it accurate. If the "editing norms" of Wikipedia include libel, lying and fact-challenged analyses, then you get what you pay for, right?
Another name noticed from above continued to use partisan press releases in lieu of actual facts, easily obtained from paper copies of the newspaper itself, to paint the newspaper in a bad light. This careful mis-selection of "proof" to slur a large metropolitan daily went largely unchecked, and when it was corrected, the person who was right is seen as something less than "collegial."
The reality, of course, is that even the cyber world must conform to the rule of law. Unfair, malicious characterizations of people or institutions, without proof, is illegal. To say this is not so is to deny a thousand years of the common law. We wouldn't accept that sort of proofing at a newspaper, but we do when people try to frame it on the web?
How rude of me.
News services note that earlier in 2005 Teresa Heinz dropped Kerry from her name. The Heinz Endowment site lists her only as Teresa Heinz, Chairman. That would mean the redirect would be from Teresa Heinz-Kerry to Teresa Heinz.
Her name is Teresa Heinz. She supposively changed her name legally to Teresa Heinz Kerry during the campaign, but I can't find any record of it. In February 2005, she began using Teresa Heinz, dropping the 'Kerry'. This has absolutely nothing to do with John Kerry - according to her publicist, she never really got over the death of her first husband. -- 65.96.79.39 01:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
This entry seems unpardonably to violate POV. I erased it. It is not worthy of an encyclopedic entry, and seems to simply trumpet a political view that is unsupported by even cursory sourcing.
'This quotation is emblematic of the incident's coverage, which largely failed to note its broader political context. The Tribune-Review is owned by a highly influencial conservative, Richard Mellon Scaife, and throughout the election cycle the newspaper served the pro-Bush agenda with demonstrable faithfulness, focusing its local efforts primarily on the drama's prominent Philadelphian. Without this context or some exploration of the agendas of all its key players, the incident (such as the "Understandable" utterance) was only partially understood by viewers and readers; ultimately, its effect was to help keep public debate fixed on the level of tabloid distraction.'
No one has bothered to put any information about Heinz's Jewish ancestry to insert in to the article yet? She comes from a mostly Sephardic family, which are the Spanish/Portuguese Jews (instead of the European ones, which are called the Ashkenazim). Actually it seems that her mother (Irene Thierstein) was an Ashkenazi Jew, and her father (Dr. José Simões-Ferreira) was a Sephardic Jew, so by all accounts she is a 'mixed' Jew! -- 172.165.177.99 06:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Here "ethnicity" is given in the sidebar as "Portuguese". Portuguese is (as we all know) a nationality and unless there is any objection i will delete the line in her bio box. On the other hand, given the clearly Jewish maternal line, shouldn't she be identified as ethnically Jewish?
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Her ethnicity is Portuguese, specifically Portuguese American. If you can source the claim that she has Jewish ancestry, then you can add that in the body of the article, not the infobox. But to make the leap that her ethnicity is Jewish would require you to show that that's her ethnic identity. SamEV ( talk) 02:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
I have clarified the part of the article referring to the Heinz family to make it clear that the family and the company are not the same thing. -- ukexpat 19:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Since when are people anachronistically accorded the national background of the states that replaced the colonies wherein they were born? 'Mozambique was a place' is not reason enough to connect her to a country that was born when Mrs Heinz was an adult and did not even live in Mozambique! This nation was born 37 years after Teresa Heinz was. Giving her Mozambican heritage perpetrates presentism. However much she cares about Mozambique, she was a Portuguese born in her country's colony of Mozambique. I will remove those categories (again). Any objections? SamEV ( talk) 19:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
<- I missed this when I looked before, but there are Category:Portuguese-Mozambican people and Category:Mozambican-Portuguese that seem to cover this. They are applied to folks like Alberto da Costa Pereira, who were born before independence. I'm not sure why there are two categories, but I hate to see a third that covers the same ground. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Could somebody tell me how 13 places of education issue 12 degrees? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.231.241.108 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Someone please remove the web address that is betweeen the banners on this talk page. It shouldn't be there, it does not appear to be anything to do with this article and is probably just someone promoting himself. It does not show up on the edit screen, hence I have no idea how it got there, nor how to remove it. Lkjhgfdsa 0 ( talk) 09:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Fox Chapel is considered a suburb of Pittsburgh. It should read Pittsburgh, PA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:8500:982:A54A:C715:9B9A:BA41 ( talk) 04:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
The former candidate for first lady of the United States is known as Teresa Heinz Kerry, but her Christian name is Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões Ferreira. For the male line, her ancestry is entirely Portuguese (Jews from Portugal) and from her mother's side, her ancestors are British (better to say German Jews) who emigrated to South Africa, although her maternal grandmother was born in Egypt. Translated from this. Cruks ( talk) 22:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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There seems to be a lot missing here. We go into so much detail about her parent's ancestry, but nothing of her childhood? What happened between her birth and her college years? ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ( talk) 18:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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This article has become a political hack job, not a biography. The information about this woman's life is overshadowed by quick jabs and long diatribes intended to highlight implied negative traits. The overwhelming use of derogatory anecdotes in a biography without balance is unforgivable in a forum that purports to be a responsible disseminator of information.
On http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/noticias/story/2004/03/printable/040304_lucasmendes.shtml they have Maria Teresa Cristina Thierstein Simões-Ferreira. I cannot find any other refences with Cristina as part of her name.
On a recent interview on Larry King Live, I recall her mentioning that she officially switched from the Republican party in response to some practices of a congressional candidate. Does anybody know more details? -- NeuronExMachina 09:37, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The "shove it" incident should be mentioned. Mike H 02:07, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
I think it is also worth mentioning that there's a history of anymosity between the Heinz family and that particular paper.
It is said that she was a colleague of Madeleine Albright - what does this mean? Rick K 22:47, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
Since nobody has answered my question, I removed the section on friends and colleagues as unimportant. Rick K 21:43, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)
I was so shocked to discover that Sen Kerry's wife is the former wife of John Heinz. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting this woman as part of her entourage during the Xmas holidays in Pittsburgh, PA during the seventies. I worked for the city and I got to see first hand, the program the Heinz company has for their employees during the holidays. Apparently it was a tradition going back to Sen Heinz's grandfather. This tradition involves the company providing holiday gifts and a party for tgheir employees and immediate family. She was carrying the ball for the family then, and from what I hear from my firends in Pittsburgh, she has continued this tradition that binds this community with this family. Last night I heard her speech and I now have some hope that at least, America has a choice this Fall. Who are we going as a people in the next decade?
...Eric....
erh305@netscape.net
The so-called "Shove it" incident is being covered in excruciating detail over on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review article. The section is hovering around 1000 words, and growing, which makes it already twice as long as the rest of the article. Therefore, I am inclined to spin it off into its own article. However I can't think of a good article title. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to participate in trimming the version of events at the Trib-Review article, feel free to jump in. Some of the material, such as accusations of funding radical causes and of having an abrasive personality, may be relevent here. I've deleted some that was totally irrelevent to the newspaper, but it can be resurrected. Cheers, - Willmcw 23:58, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
An exchange of words between the wife of an unsuccessful presidential candidate and an editor of a minor city newspaper does not deserve its own encyclopedia article. We shouldn't create one just to satisfy a rude anonymous editor who is probably an employee of that same newspaper. I'm sure we can cut the material down to an appropriate length. Gamaliel 04:48, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes, the "rude" editor who noted that a certain unnamed person consistently used libel ("intentional lies") to castigate that newspaper AND the wife of a prominent political candidate. Yes, we trust him to edit something about either the newspaper or her.
And, regardless, that anonymous commentator doesn't want a unique encyclopedia article on a minor, trifling incident. The only reason the entry grew on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review entry was because of misleading, inaccurate and, quite frankly, libelous language.
But mention such things and one becomes "rude." How about accurate? (unsigned by user:147.72.93.172).
This is beginning to seem like a cult, all these Wikipedia types jotting down opinion in the place of fact. Of the three names I notice from above, one continued to print what in law is known as an "intentional lie," a falsehood that he knowingly employed to characterize a commercial entity. In more common parlance, this is known as libel. To call it what it is, one is then receives the stamp of "rude."
I would call it accurate. If the "editing norms" of Wikipedia include libel, lying and fact-challenged analyses, then you get what you pay for, right?
Another name noticed from above continued to use partisan press releases in lieu of actual facts, easily obtained from paper copies of the newspaper itself, to paint the newspaper in a bad light. This careful mis-selection of "proof" to slur a large metropolitan daily went largely unchecked, and when it was corrected, the person who was right is seen as something less than "collegial."
The reality, of course, is that even the cyber world must conform to the rule of law. Unfair, malicious characterizations of people or institutions, without proof, is illegal. To say this is not so is to deny a thousand years of the common law. We wouldn't accept that sort of proofing at a newspaper, but we do when people try to frame it on the web?
How rude of me.
News services note that earlier in 2005 Teresa Heinz dropped Kerry from her name. The Heinz Endowment site lists her only as Teresa Heinz, Chairman. That would mean the redirect would be from Teresa Heinz-Kerry to Teresa Heinz.
Her name is Teresa Heinz. She supposively changed her name legally to Teresa Heinz Kerry during the campaign, but I can't find any record of it. In February 2005, she began using Teresa Heinz, dropping the 'Kerry'. This has absolutely nothing to do with John Kerry - according to her publicist, she never really got over the death of her first husband. -- 65.96.79.39 01:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
This entry seems unpardonably to violate POV. I erased it. It is not worthy of an encyclopedic entry, and seems to simply trumpet a political view that is unsupported by even cursory sourcing.
'This quotation is emblematic of the incident's coverage, which largely failed to note its broader political context. The Tribune-Review is owned by a highly influencial conservative, Richard Mellon Scaife, and throughout the election cycle the newspaper served the pro-Bush agenda with demonstrable faithfulness, focusing its local efforts primarily on the drama's prominent Philadelphian. Without this context or some exploration of the agendas of all its key players, the incident (such as the "Understandable" utterance) was only partially understood by viewers and readers; ultimately, its effect was to help keep public debate fixed on the level of tabloid distraction.'
No one has bothered to put any information about Heinz's Jewish ancestry to insert in to the article yet? She comes from a mostly Sephardic family, which are the Spanish/Portuguese Jews (instead of the European ones, which are called the Ashkenazim). Actually it seems that her mother (Irene Thierstein) was an Ashkenazi Jew, and her father (Dr. José Simões-Ferreira) was a Sephardic Jew, so by all accounts she is a 'mixed' Jew! -- 172.165.177.99 06:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Here "ethnicity" is given in the sidebar as "Portuguese". Portuguese is (as we all know) a nationality and unless there is any objection i will delete the line in her bio box. On the other hand, given the clearly Jewish maternal line, shouldn't she be identified as ethnically Jewish?
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Her ethnicity is Portuguese, specifically Portuguese American. If you can source the claim that she has Jewish ancestry, then you can add that in the body of the article, not the infobox. But to make the leap that her ethnicity is Jewish would require you to show that that's her ethnic identity. SamEV ( talk) 02:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
I have clarified the part of the article referring to the Heinz family to make it clear that the family and the company are not the same thing. -- ukexpat 19:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Since when are people anachronistically accorded the national background of the states that replaced the colonies wherein they were born? 'Mozambique was a place' is not reason enough to connect her to a country that was born when Mrs Heinz was an adult and did not even live in Mozambique! This nation was born 37 years after Teresa Heinz was. Giving her Mozambican heritage perpetrates presentism. However much she cares about Mozambique, she was a Portuguese born in her country's colony of Mozambique. I will remove those categories (again). Any objections? SamEV ( talk) 19:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
<- I missed this when I looked before, but there are Category:Portuguese-Mozambican people and Category:Mozambican-Portuguese that seem to cover this. They are applied to folks like Alberto da Costa Pereira, who were born before independence. I'm not sure why there are two categories, but I hate to see a third that covers the same ground. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Could somebody tell me how 13 places of education issue 12 degrees? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.231.241.108 ( talk) 06:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Someone please remove the web address that is betweeen the banners on this talk page. It shouldn't be there, it does not appear to be anything to do with this article and is probably just someone promoting himself. It does not show up on the edit screen, hence I have no idea how it got there, nor how to remove it. Lkjhgfdsa 0 ( talk) 09:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Fox Chapel is considered a suburb of Pittsburgh. It should read Pittsburgh, PA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:8500:982:A54A:C715:9B9A:BA41 ( talk) 04:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
The former candidate for first lady of the United States is known as Teresa Heinz Kerry, but her Christian name is Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões Ferreira. For the male line, her ancestry is entirely Portuguese (Jews from Portugal) and from her mother's side, her ancestors are British (better to say German Jews) who emigrated to South Africa, although her maternal grandmother was born in Egypt. Translated from this. Cruks ( talk) 22:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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There seems to be a lot missing here. We go into so much detail about her parent's ancestry, but nothing of her childhood? What happened between her birth and her college years? ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen ( talk) 18:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)