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Where does the POJ spelling “Tiê-chiu-uē” come from? Shouldn’t it be “Tiâu-tsiu-uē”? (I think the final -ie does not even exist in POJ.) — Babel fish ( talk) 12:49, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
I propose to merge Chaoshan Min and Teochew dialect into a single article titled "Teochew Min" (or equivalently).
The term "Teochew" refers not to the modern Chaozhou city (潮州市), but instead to the historical Chaozhou prefecture ( 潮州府), which covered the entire region known today as Chaoshan. This is why, for instance, there is the Teochew Poit Ip Huay Kuan (潮州八邑會館) clan association in Singapore, which literary means "eight counties of the Teochew [prefecture]", now divided between Chaozhou, Shantou and Jieyang prefecture-level cities.
The note in Teochew dialect saying that "Teochew and Chaoshan are two different things" is misleading. They are the same thing in this context, and "Teochew" is the more common name for the entire language spoken in Chaozhou, Shantou and Jieyang. I doubt there is even a need for a separate article on the Chaozhou dialect of Teochew/Chaoshan, since there are multiple dialects spoken in Chaozhou city and the linguistic borders generally do not follow the administrative borders. QuestionableAnswers ( talk) 23:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Swatow dialect is not Teochew dialect, it is different language and accents.
Teochew dialect and Swatow dialect are a dialect of a branch called Chaoshan combination of (Chaozhou from Teochew) and {Shantou from Swatow) hence it is called Teo-swa language in mandarin it is called Chaoshan, it is very selfish to call Swatow dialect as Teochew dialect.
Like calling Portuguese language and Spanish language alike, when they are not the same, differ usage of grammar and words 2406:3003:2001:54A3:F9E6:B188:F6FC:3018 ( talk) 14:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Supporting the merger, after the fact. The language that younger People's Republicans call 潮汕话 is simply called "Teochew" in English most of the time. "Teochew" refers to the entire language, not a subset of it. Any person that doesn't understand this — or pretends not to understand — has no business editing English Wikipedia.
Based on ample precedent, it makes much more sense to entitle the article "Teochew language", though. 釆 ( talk) 09:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Where does the POJ spelling “Tiê-chiu-uē” come from? Shouldn’t it be “Tiâu-tsiu-uē”? (I think the final -ie does not even exist in POJ.) — Babel fish ( talk) 12:49, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
I propose to merge Chaoshan Min and Teochew dialect into a single article titled "Teochew Min" (or equivalently).
The term "Teochew" refers not to the modern Chaozhou city (潮州市), but instead to the historical Chaozhou prefecture ( 潮州府), which covered the entire region known today as Chaoshan. This is why, for instance, there is the Teochew Poit Ip Huay Kuan (潮州八邑會館) clan association in Singapore, which literary means "eight counties of the Teochew [prefecture]", now divided between Chaozhou, Shantou and Jieyang prefecture-level cities.
The note in Teochew dialect saying that "Teochew and Chaoshan are two different things" is misleading. They are the same thing in this context, and "Teochew" is the more common name for the entire language spoken in Chaozhou, Shantou and Jieyang. I doubt there is even a need for a separate article on the Chaozhou dialect of Teochew/Chaoshan, since there are multiple dialects spoken in Chaozhou city and the linguistic borders generally do not follow the administrative borders. QuestionableAnswers ( talk) 23:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Swatow dialect is not Teochew dialect, it is different language and accents.
Teochew dialect and Swatow dialect are a dialect of a branch called Chaoshan combination of (Chaozhou from Teochew) and {Shantou from Swatow) hence it is called Teo-swa language in mandarin it is called Chaoshan, it is very selfish to call Swatow dialect as Teochew dialect.
Like calling Portuguese language and Spanish language alike, when they are not the same, differ usage of grammar and words 2406:3003:2001:54A3:F9E6:B188:F6FC:3018 ( talk) 14:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Supporting the merger, after the fact. The language that younger People's Republicans call 潮汕话 is simply called "Teochew" in English most of the time. "Teochew" refers to the entire language, not a subset of it. Any person that doesn't understand this — or pretends not to understand — has no business editing English Wikipedia.
Based on ample precedent, it makes much more sense to entitle the article "Teochew language", though. 釆 ( talk) 09:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)