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Merge. This is a no-brainer. Sylvain1972 19:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
In this german text [1] the author says that Tenzin Palmo vowed to become the first female buddha. I wonder whether she really did so. Anybody knows?
Here it is said, too Lady Buddha. I HAVE MADE a vow to attain enlightenment in the female form – no matter how many lifetimes it takes.” (she has not talked about "first female Buddha", though.)
Can nuns be yoginis, or they always are? Tibetan Buddhist nuns can be yoginis if they practice tantric yogas. Tenzin Palmo does. Nuns who don't choose to practice aren't yoginis. Not all yoginis are nuns. Not all nuns are yoginis Dakinijones ( talk) 21:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Nice to get an answer. Thank you. Austerlitz -- 88.72.27.48 ( talk) 06:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The article can be expanded, no?
She said: "Greed, anger, arrogance, jealousy – all the negative energies would be gone if we can control our minds. Greed goes closely with anger and frustration. Materialism is nothing to do with levels of happiness. Buddha said greed is like salty water. You can swallow the whole ocean and never satisfy your thirst." Sorry, but I've lost the source for this quotation somehow.
I've put the term Bhikkhuni behind buddhist nun. I am not quite sure whether it is okay or not.
Togdenma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.22.61 ( talk) 23:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe the female teachers belonging to a line are generally called Jetsünmas? for example that's the title of Sakya Trinzin's sister Sakya Trizin -Jetsun Kushok Chimey Luding-, too.
In the article it is said: "The ordination was as a shramanerika, or novice nun, the highest level of ordination currently available for women in the Tibetan tradition where the bhikshuni sangha has died out. However, with the support of her teacher, in 1973 Tenzin Palmo received the full bhikshuni ordination in Hong Kong, one of the first Western women to do so."
What IS a full bhikshuni ordination what does it mean?
It means a greater number of vows to keep, 10 for the novices and 371 for the full nuns I believe. If you follow the wiki links to shramanerika and bhikshuni it explains the differences. Dakinijones ( talk) 20:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I have been there. The article on Tenzin Palmo says that she received the full bhikshuni ordination in Hong Kong. As it seems to me you have read the book on the life of Tenzin Palmo. Does it mention the socalled Eight rules or vows of respect? Has she taken them, too, in Hong Kong? Austerlitz -- 88.75.215.112 ( talk) 09:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Togdenma
By the way, on tv featuring Tenzin Palmo they showed some togdenma people, women only, as far as I remember, and they had lots of thick hair. I wondered whether somebody wants to shave their hair in the togdenma order to be revived.
Togden
"Nowadays Tashi Jong includes: A group of highly realized yogis called Tokdens. In Tibet the Tokdens lived in retreat centers or in caves. In Tashi Jong there is a retreat center with all the facilities needed for extended periods of seclusion. Although they are fully ordained monks, the Tokdens display the matted hair and white robes of Milarepa’s traditional attire. At present, there are around thirteen retreatants, who have been practicing for many years, and who have not set a definite conclusion date as yet."
Khampagar Monastery
quotation from her text: "When I first came to India I lived in a monastery with 100 monks. I was the only nun,' she said, and paused for several seconds for her words to sink in. 'I think that is why I eventually went to live by myself in a cave.' Everyone got the point. 'The monks were kind, and I had no problems of sexual harassment or troubles of that sort, but of course I was unfortunately within a female form. They actually told me they prayed that in my next life I would have the good fortune to be reborn as a male so that I could join in all the monastery's activities. In the meantime, they said, they didn't hold it too much against me that I had this inferior rebirth in the female form. It wasn't too much my fault.'"
What to do with it?
I've inserted it.
There is another quotation, here, Realising the Potential of Nuns, Interview with Tenzin Palmo at Dongyu Gyatsal Ling Nunnery, near Tashijong, India, September 2006 by Di Cousens
"As far as nun’s development is concerned, it is coming up quite well. One of the main areas which nuns usually lacked was education and now more and more nunneries are having a philosophical educational program so this is a big leap forward. Just recently we got a letter from the Tibetan Religious Office saying that this year’s gathering of the nunneries for the annual debate would be held in Mundgod in the South. So now it has become the tradition for the nuns to come together to debate at different nunneries. This is a really wonderful thing."
What to do with it? Maybe the article needs a new section?
Here it is talked about the subject in the following way, [16]:
"For her cave has now expanded to include the whole world, particularly those women who are looking to engage in spiritual life. Tenzin Palmo has become an enabler, and through the Dongyu Gatsal Ling nunnery that she set up almost ten years ago she is helping to open the door a little wider for women who are going forth upon this difficult path. The nunnery aims to provide nuns with education, meditative practice and the practical skills that will enable them to run nunneries in future. Encouraging more women to become teachers of Buddhism is also a pressing matter. Despite the gender bias faced by Buddhist nuns, the teachings themselves are gender-neutral, because basically, as Tenzin Palmo explains, “They are dealing with the nature of the mind, how to become more conscious of our thoughts and our inner world, and to see beyond our thoughts to our unborn awareness, which is neither male nor female.” She is keen to go beyond the issue of gender in the meditative space. “If we look into our minds, when we are really sitting and meditating properly, there is no male or female. We all have our innate ignorance, and from that arises our greed and aggressions and jealousies. Male or female, in the end, we are all dealing with our deluded frame of mind whilst aiming to transform it into something that embodies wisdom and compassion.”"
In 2007 she said, for example, In a cave no more: Buddhist nun on world fund tour - By David O'Reilly, Philadelphia Inquirer, April 24, 2007: "Everything I read in those days was about monks, monks, monks," she recalled with a laugh.
Worse, women who did commit to Tibetan religious life typically found themselves kept uneducated and "waiting on the monks" as cooks and housekeepers.
Members of her community study Buddhist philosophy and rituals, learn Tibetan and English, and meditate. "Our goal is that some of the women will themselves become teachers of philosophy," Palmo said.
She laughed, too, when asked whether she was thought to be the reincarnation of some previous great teacher.
"No, no, no," she said. "I'm just a nun: not a lama, not a scholar, not a yogini," she said.
"I'm nothing."
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Merge. This is a no-brainer. Sylvain1972 19:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
In this german text [1] the author says that Tenzin Palmo vowed to become the first female buddha. I wonder whether she really did so. Anybody knows?
Here it is said, too Lady Buddha. I HAVE MADE a vow to attain enlightenment in the female form – no matter how many lifetimes it takes.” (she has not talked about "first female Buddha", though.)
Can nuns be yoginis, or they always are? Tibetan Buddhist nuns can be yoginis if they practice tantric yogas. Tenzin Palmo does. Nuns who don't choose to practice aren't yoginis. Not all yoginis are nuns. Not all nuns are yoginis Dakinijones ( talk) 21:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Nice to get an answer. Thank you. Austerlitz -- 88.72.27.48 ( talk) 06:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The article can be expanded, no?
She said: "Greed, anger, arrogance, jealousy – all the negative energies would be gone if we can control our minds. Greed goes closely with anger and frustration. Materialism is nothing to do with levels of happiness. Buddha said greed is like salty water. You can swallow the whole ocean and never satisfy your thirst." Sorry, but I've lost the source for this quotation somehow.
I've put the term Bhikkhuni behind buddhist nun. I am not quite sure whether it is okay or not.
Togdenma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.22.61 ( talk) 23:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe the female teachers belonging to a line are generally called Jetsünmas? for example that's the title of Sakya Trinzin's sister Sakya Trizin -Jetsun Kushok Chimey Luding-, too.
In the article it is said: "The ordination was as a shramanerika, or novice nun, the highest level of ordination currently available for women in the Tibetan tradition where the bhikshuni sangha has died out. However, with the support of her teacher, in 1973 Tenzin Palmo received the full bhikshuni ordination in Hong Kong, one of the first Western women to do so."
What IS a full bhikshuni ordination what does it mean?
It means a greater number of vows to keep, 10 for the novices and 371 for the full nuns I believe. If you follow the wiki links to shramanerika and bhikshuni it explains the differences. Dakinijones ( talk) 20:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I have been there. The article on Tenzin Palmo says that she received the full bhikshuni ordination in Hong Kong. As it seems to me you have read the book on the life of Tenzin Palmo. Does it mention the socalled Eight rules or vows of respect? Has she taken them, too, in Hong Kong? Austerlitz -- 88.75.215.112 ( talk) 09:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Togdenma
By the way, on tv featuring Tenzin Palmo they showed some togdenma people, women only, as far as I remember, and they had lots of thick hair. I wondered whether somebody wants to shave their hair in the togdenma order to be revived.
Togden
"Nowadays Tashi Jong includes: A group of highly realized yogis called Tokdens. In Tibet the Tokdens lived in retreat centers or in caves. In Tashi Jong there is a retreat center with all the facilities needed for extended periods of seclusion. Although they are fully ordained monks, the Tokdens display the matted hair and white robes of Milarepa’s traditional attire. At present, there are around thirteen retreatants, who have been practicing for many years, and who have not set a definite conclusion date as yet."
Khampagar Monastery
quotation from her text: "When I first came to India I lived in a monastery with 100 monks. I was the only nun,' she said, and paused for several seconds for her words to sink in. 'I think that is why I eventually went to live by myself in a cave.' Everyone got the point. 'The monks were kind, and I had no problems of sexual harassment or troubles of that sort, but of course I was unfortunately within a female form. They actually told me they prayed that in my next life I would have the good fortune to be reborn as a male so that I could join in all the monastery's activities. In the meantime, they said, they didn't hold it too much against me that I had this inferior rebirth in the female form. It wasn't too much my fault.'"
What to do with it?
I've inserted it.
There is another quotation, here, Realising the Potential of Nuns, Interview with Tenzin Palmo at Dongyu Gyatsal Ling Nunnery, near Tashijong, India, September 2006 by Di Cousens
"As far as nun’s development is concerned, it is coming up quite well. One of the main areas which nuns usually lacked was education and now more and more nunneries are having a philosophical educational program so this is a big leap forward. Just recently we got a letter from the Tibetan Religious Office saying that this year’s gathering of the nunneries for the annual debate would be held in Mundgod in the South. So now it has become the tradition for the nuns to come together to debate at different nunneries. This is a really wonderful thing."
What to do with it? Maybe the article needs a new section?
Here it is talked about the subject in the following way, [16]:
"For her cave has now expanded to include the whole world, particularly those women who are looking to engage in spiritual life. Tenzin Palmo has become an enabler, and through the Dongyu Gatsal Ling nunnery that she set up almost ten years ago she is helping to open the door a little wider for women who are going forth upon this difficult path. The nunnery aims to provide nuns with education, meditative practice and the practical skills that will enable them to run nunneries in future. Encouraging more women to become teachers of Buddhism is also a pressing matter. Despite the gender bias faced by Buddhist nuns, the teachings themselves are gender-neutral, because basically, as Tenzin Palmo explains, “They are dealing with the nature of the mind, how to become more conscious of our thoughts and our inner world, and to see beyond our thoughts to our unborn awareness, which is neither male nor female.” She is keen to go beyond the issue of gender in the meditative space. “If we look into our minds, when we are really sitting and meditating properly, there is no male or female. We all have our innate ignorance, and from that arises our greed and aggressions and jealousies. Male or female, in the end, we are all dealing with our deluded frame of mind whilst aiming to transform it into something that embodies wisdom and compassion.”"
In 2007 she said, for example, In a cave no more: Buddhist nun on world fund tour - By David O'Reilly, Philadelphia Inquirer, April 24, 2007: "Everything I read in those days was about monks, monks, monks," she recalled with a laugh.
Worse, women who did commit to Tibetan religious life typically found themselves kept uneducated and "waiting on the monks" as cooks and housekeepers.
Members of her community study Buddhist philosophy and rituals, learn Tibetan and English, and meditate. "Our goal is that some of the women will themselves become teachers of philosophy," Palmo said.
She laughed, too, when asked whether she was thought to be the reincarnation of some previous great teacher.
"No, no, no," she said. "I'm just a nun: not a lama, not a scholar, not a yogini," she said.
"I'm nothing."