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The lukewarm-dishwater statement
should be replaced, but only with a sentence that is not cryptic in its meaning.
In short, what is the removed material supposed to mean, literally and substantively?
--
Jerzy•
t
00:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
seems like the kid just wants to live his own life. but without the 'i HATE everyone and everything that was in my life before now' that would have been part of such a statement in the '60s or 70s. i guess times change. good for him for not being emotionally blackmailed into a life he doesn't want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.127.10 ( talk) 00:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the change around the use of the term reincarnation, I would suggest that the original wording was fine. There is actually considerable scientific research supporting the idea of reincarnation. Please see Reincarnation research. Again, I think it would have been better if there had been some discussion before the change was made. Johnfos 07:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The term reincarnation would not be fine in relation to other wikipedia articles on the subject. The main article on Reincarnation suggest use of the term "rebirth" to be preferred in buddhist contexts. However, this article also mention the term "tulku", and the wikipedia article for Tulku suggest the word "emanation" over rebirth. While all this is kind of confusing, the book "Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" by Sogyal Rinpoche simply use the term "incarnation". I don't want to edit any of these articles, but if someone with more insight in this subject could edit these articles to make them fit in relation to each other, would be very much appreciated!
Best Regards, Henrik of Sweden 80.216.196.239 ( talk) 18:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This is now a [1] standing by itself in the Links section, with no description. Surely we can do better than this. If no one objects, I will add a description, so the item can be sensibly included in the list of Links. Johnfos 07:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
To whoever added the note about Osel being at university "now": (1) Please state your source for this. Unfortunately, this cannot be based on hearsay or personal knowledge. (2) Please be sure to say what "now" means, e.g. by adding (as of 2009) or what have you. 210.60.55.9 ( talk) 03:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
"Hita elaborated on his personal beliefs, saying that there are souls and reincarnation "or otherwise life would be pointless"," I searched for a long time for this information on the sources provided but could not find it anywhere. Can this line be removed? Lixingxian ( talk) 02:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)lixingxian
User:Shenpen removed the controversy section completely. Don't you think it might be better to let the readers see all of the articles and make their own conclusions? The sources on both sides seem credible. Others will see the Guardian and other media sources anyway, so why not show the sources here. It is not hearsay sources. I think the controversy section should be put back so that all can see both sides of the controversy, including the FPMT response.
Theravada1 (
talk)
22:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
"It should be noted that many lamas leave monastic life to pursue a lay life, which is actually required for certain tantric practices."
This is totally 100% irrelevant in this case, because (1) this is not a tradition within the Gelug school, and never has been. and (2) it is not the case with Hita in this instance. He is NOT a lay Lama, nor is he a tantric teacher. So this piece of theological apology for his decision to leave has to go! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.125.38 ( talk) 00:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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Noting that many statements in this article are unsourced or poorly sourced or not clearly sourced, hoping to improve the article (which also clearly needs updating!) I have added citation needed tags where I felt it was appropriate. MacPraughan ( talk) 12:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Like thousands of other people interested in Buddhism and Tibet I have known of Tenzin Osel Hita for many years. I have met and greeted him on occasion at Buddhist events over the years, and also photographed him. I can say that I know him slightly, and am familiar with his history having also read books about him, like "Reincarnation: the Boy Lama". Noticing that his article is currently badly out of date I feel obliged to update it with new bits of factual information where appropriate. I trust this is acceptable to my fellow editors, but if anyone objects to my participation (hoping to improve the article) please let me know. MacPraughan ( talk) 12:21, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
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The lukewarm-dishwater statement
should be replaced, but only with a sentence that is not cryptic in its meaning.
In short, what is the removed material supposed to mean, literally and substantively?
--
Jerzy•
t
00:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
seems like the kid just wants to live his own life. but without the 'i HATE everyone and everything that was in my life before now' that would have been part of such a statement in the '60s or 70s. i guess times change. good for him for not being emotionally blackmailed into a life he doesn't want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.127.10 ( talk) 00:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the change around the use of the term reincarnation, I would suggest that the original wording was fine. There is actually considerable scientific research supporting the idea of reincarnation. Please see Reincarnation research. Again, I think it would have been better if there had been some discussion before the change was made. Johnfos 07:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The term reincarnation would not be fine in relation to other wikipedia articles on the subject. The main article on Reincarnation suggest use of the term "rebirth" to be preferred in buddhist contexts. However, this article also mention the term "tulku", and the wikipedia article for Tulku suggest the word "emanation" over rebirth. While all this is kind of confusing, the book "Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" by Sogyal Rinpoche simply use the term "incarnation". I don't want to edit any of these articles, but if someone with more insight in this subject could edit these articles to make them fit in relation to each other, would be very much appreciated!
Best Regards, Henrik of Sweden 80.216.196.239 ( talk) 18:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This is now a [1] standing by itself in the Links section, with no description. Surely we can do better than this. If no one objects, I will add a description, so the item can be sensibly included in the list of Links. Johnfos 07:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
To whoever added the note about Osel being at university "now": (1) Please state your source for this. Unfortunately, this cannot be based on hearsay or personal knowledge. (2) Please be sure to say what "now" means, e.g. by adding (as of 2009) or what have you. 210.60.55.9 ( talk) 03:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
"Hita elaborated on his personal beliefs, saying that there are souls and reincarnation "or otherwise life would be pointless"," I searched for a long time for this information on the sources provided but could not find it anywhere. Can this line be removed? Lixingxian ( talk) 02:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)lixingxian
User:Shenpen removed the controversy section completely. Don't you think it might be better to let the readers see all of the articles and make their own conclusions? The sources on both sides seem credible. Others will see the Guardian and other media sources anyway, so why not show the sources here. It is not hearsay sources. I think the controversy section should be put back so that all can see both sides of the controversy, including the FPMT response.
Theravada1 (
talk)
22:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
"It should be noted that many lamas leave monastic life to pursue a lay life, which is actually required for certain tantric practices."
This is totally 100% irrelevant in this case, because (1) this is not a tradition within the Gelug school, and never has been. and (2) it is not the case with Hita in this instance. He is NOT a lay Lama, nor is he a tantric teacher. So this piece of theological apology for his decision to leave has to go! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.125.38 ( talk) 00:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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Noting that many statements in this article are unsourced or poorly sourced or not clearly sourced, hoping to improve the article (which also clearly needs updating!) I have added citation needed tags where I felt it was appropriate. MacPraughan ( talk) 12:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Like thousands of other people interested in Buddhism and Tibet I have known of Tenzin Osel Hita for many years. I have met and greeted him on occasion at Buddhist events over the years, and also photographed him. I can say that I know him slightly, and am familiar with his history having also read books about him, like "Reincarnation: the Boy Lama". Noticing that his article is currently badly out of date I feel obliged to update it with new bits of factual information where appropriate. I trust this is acceptable to my fellow editors, but if anyone objects to my participation (hoping to improve the article) please let me know. MacPraughan ( talk) 12:21, 21 December 2018 (UTC)