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Brooke-Little says that the diagonals are like those of purpure, not of vert. -- Evertype· ✆ 08:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC) É
I did a survey of several major treatises, and the engraving patterns for the less-common tinctures are inconsistently given. Some books use the pattern given in the WP article, while others agree with what you found in Brooke-Little. There does not seem to be consistency among heraldic authors on this matter. -- EncycloPetey ( talk) 04:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
None of those archsrch.gov.za links ever worked for me. A past editor used them a lot and they proved to be temporary. Now when I click this one, I get "All search logins are in use, try again later." — Tamfang ( talk) 21:35, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
This article seems entirely devoted to a long discussion on hatching, with no actual examples of heraldry. The images of four actual coats of arms using tenné from the U.S. military were deleted with no explanation. I suggest this article be renamed Tenné hatching, and another more serious article be written on tenné in heraldry. — SiefkinDR ( talk) 06:38, 5 May 2013 Don't forget to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~)!
My apologies for being testy in my comment; I had searched for a long time to find four images of coats of arms using tenne, documented as having that color, only to have them deleted. I also didn't understand why the flag of the Signal Corps was used, when I had placed an image of the coat of arms in the article, with the tenne in the coat of arms clearly visible. It's very hard to see it on the flag. I also apologize for the sloppiness of my editing; I was away from home and using an I-pad, which I'm not used to.
I think the article is much better now with the addition of some images. I note that the main article on heraldry is very richly illustrated, Is it possible to add some historical examples of tenne from French, German or British heraldry? I can't find any mention or examples of the color in the French Wikipedia.
Respectfully: SiefkinDR ( talk) 18:41, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I found that the explanation of Tenné and dragoon yellow on the site of the U.S. Army Institute of Heraldry was a little confusing, so I exchanged e-mails Bonnie Henning, a Program Analyst with the Institute of Heraldry, which designed the coat of arms. Ryan, She wrote back:
"The color Tenné is a heraldic color and it is orange. The Dragoons used a orangish yellow color as noted in the symbolism. I do not know of any other units that have dragoon yellow in their heraldry."
I wrote back to her and asked:
"Am I correct then, that Dragoon yellow is a different color from Tenné; that Tenné is orange while Dragoon yellow is a slightly orange shade of yellow?"
She replied, "Yes."
The institute can be contacted through their Webpage: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/
I would like to edit the text of the article to reflect that distinction. The definition on the Institute site is certainly misleading and confusing, and I hope they correct it. SiefkinDR ( talk) 14:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Respectfully, I think that the idea that tenne and dragoon yellow are the same color is questionable. In the site of the Institute of Heraldry, the description of the unit badge of the First Regiment says: "The color of the Dragoons was Dragoon yellow (orange-yellow) and a gold eight-pointed star on the encircling belt was the insignia of the Dragoons until 1851.”
On the coat of arms of the First Regiment, the background is orange (tenne) while the dragon is dragoon yellow (or). This same orange yellow color appears in both the badge of the First and Second Dragoons, along with the darker orange (tenne). It is the same color as the eight-pointed star which was the old emblem of the Dragoons, which is also shown on the coat of arms of the Second Regiment. This is the color dragoon yellow. The cords in the crest show two colors; orange (tenne) and orange-yellow (gold). The orange yellow is dragoon yellow. I don't see how tenne can be both dark orange and orange-yellow on the same shield. This is contradicted by the descriptions of the symbolism on the Institute of Heraldry site cited in the article, and by the e-mail from the official of the Institute of Heraldry cited above. I would suggest you take another look, or add "the idea that tenne and dragoon yellow are the same color is disputed."
Also, why not put the images of one or the other of the regimental shields, so people can see the colors for themselves? It's hard to imagine a coat of arms from a description. SiefkinDR ( talk) 07:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry to come back to dragoon yellow again, but you should look at the heraldry of the 2nd cavalry Regiment. It was also a dragoon regiment. Their coat of arms is a tenne or orange shield with two "dragoon stars,". These eight pointed orange-yellow or gold stars are described as the old emblems of the dragoons. The same star is also used in the insignia of the unit. They are the same color as the dragon on the 1st Cavalry emblem. I think a very good case can be made that this is the color meant by dragoon yellow, since it is used by both of the former dragoon units. This is pretty clear in the description of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment emblems on the site of the Institute of Heraldry, and agrees with the comments of the Program Analyst of the Institute of Heraldry. I think you should note in the article that it is not universally accepted that dragoon yellow is tenne or orange. SiefkinDR ( talk) 15:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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Brooke-Little says that the diagonals are like those of purpure, not of vert. -- Evertype· ✆ 08:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC) É
I did a survey of several major treatises, and the engraving patterns for the less-common tinctures are inconsistently given. Some books use the pattern given in the WP article, while others agree with what you found in Brooke-Little. There does not seem to be consistency among heraldic authors on this matter. -- EncycloPetey ( talk) 04:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
None of those archsrch.gov.za links ever worked for me. A past editor used them a lot and they proved to be temporary. Now when I click this one, I get "All search logins are in use, try again later." — Tamfang ( talk) 21:35, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
This article seems entirely devoted to a long discussion on hatching, with no actual examples of heraldry. The images of four actual coats of arms using tenné from the U.S. military were deleted with no explanation. I suggest this article be renamed Tenné hatching, and another more serious article be written on tenné in heraldry. — SiefkinDR ( talk) 06:38, 5 May 2013 Don't forget to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~)!
My apologies for being testy in my comment; I had searched for a long time to find four images of coats of arms using tenne, documented as having that color, only to have them deleted. I also didn't understand why the flag of the Signal Corps was used, when I had placed an image of the coat of arms in the article, with the tenne in the coat of arms clearly visible. It's very hard to see it on the flag. I also apologize for the sloppiness of my editing; I was away from home and using an I-pad, which I'm not used to.
I think the article is much better now with the addition of some images. I note that the main article on heraldry is very richly illustrated, Is it possible to add some historical examples of tenne from French, German or British heraldry? I can't find any mention or examples of the color in the French Wikipedia.
Respectfully: SiefkinDR ( talk) 18:41, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I found that the explanation of Tenné and dragoon yellow on the site of the U.S. Army Institute of Heraldry was a little confusing, so I exchanged e-mails Bonnie Henning, a Program Analyst with the Institute of Heraldry, which designed the coat of arms. Ryan, She wrote back:
"The color Tenné is a heraldic color and it is orange. The Dragoons used a orangish yellow color as noted in the symbolism. I do not know of any other units that have dragoon yellow in their heraldry."
I wrote back to her and asked:
"Am I correct then, that Dragoon yellow is a different color from Tenné; that Tenné is orange while Dragoon yellow is a slightly orange shade of yellow?"
She replied, "Yes."
The institute can be contacted through their Webpage: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/
I would like to edit the text of the article to reflect that distinction. The definition on the Institute site is certainly misleading and confusing, and I hope they correct it. SiefkinDR ( talk) 14:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Respectfully, I think that the idea that tenne and dragoon yellow are the same color is questionable. In the site of the Institute of Heraldry, the description of the unit badge of the First Regiment says: "The color of the Dragoons was Dragoon yellow (orange-yellow) and a gold eight-pointed star on the encircling belt was the insignia of the Dragoons until 1851.”
On the coat of arms of the First Regiment, the background is orange (tenne) while the dragon is dragoon yellow (or). This same orange yellow color appears in both the badge of the First and Second Dragoons, along with the darker orange (tenne). It is the same color as the eight-pointed star which was the old emblem of the Dragoons, which is also shown on the coat of arms of the Second Regiment. This is the color dragoon yellow. The cords in the crest show two colors; orange (tenne) and orange-yellow (gold). The orange yellow is dragoon yellow. I don't see how tenne can be both dark orange and orange-yellow on the same shield. This is contradicted by the descriptions of the symbolism on the Institute of Heraldry site cited in the article, and by the e-mail from the official of the Institute of Heraldry cited above. I would suggest you take another look, or add "the idea that tenne and dragoon yellow are the same color is disputed."
Also, why not put the images of one or the other of the regimental shields, so people can see the colors for themselves? It's hard to imagine a coat of arms from a description. SiefkinDR ( talk) 07:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry to come back to dragoon yellow again, but you should look at the heraldry of the 2nd cavalry Regiment. It was also a dragoon regiment. Their coat of arms is a tenne or orange shield with two "dragoon stars,". These eight pointed orange-yellow or gold stars are described as the old emblems of the dragoons. The same star is also used in the insignia of the unit. They are the same color as the dragon on the 1st Cavalry emblem. I think a very good case can be made that this is the color meant by dragoon yellow, since it is used by both of the former dragoon units. This is pretty clear in the description of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment emblems on the site of the Institute of Heraldry, and agrees with the comments of the Program Analyst of the Institute of Heraldry. I think you should note in the article that it is not universally accepted that dragoon yellow is tenne or orange. SiefkinDR ( talk) 15:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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