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As more information about the film becomes available, the article should be developed further. I have some suggestions as to how the article can be developed. The introduction currently says:
However, it should read:
The infobox states that Thomas is a producer and that Syncopy Inc. is the production studio (Nolan and Thomas are Syncopy). It is also consistent with other Nolan articles.
As for the body paragraphs, they currently read like this:
This is what I think the paragraphs should look like. I have added justifications in in bold to make it easier to follow:
I also feel that there may be too much of an emphasis on the Estonian government's subsidies and incentives in the footnotes. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 11:51, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Confirming Tenet was shooting in Oslo, Norway on thursday 5.9. It took place over the course of one day, and locations included the roof of the Oslo Opera House and Tjuvholmen. Ref: https://www.nrk.no/kultur/hollywood-stjerner-i-oslo-1.14689664 (Source is NRK, the Norwegian government-owned radio and television public broadcasting company) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.176.244.83 ( talk) 08:53, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Cognissonance: and IPs, please stop edit warring and discuss issues here. I have protected this page for three days before things get out of hand. Thanks — Amakuru ( talk) 17:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Regarding this: there is no source substantiating that it is released in the US and UK on that date. Find one. There are too many genres added, "action thriller" covers it sufficiently. Several wikilinks next to each other misleads the reader into thinking they are all one link. Categories have already been cleaned up. Cognissonance ( talk) 07:41, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I restored the mention of the stylization "TENƎꓕ)" to the lead after it was removed by User:Trivialist in this edit with the edit summary "removing stylization only used in logo and not in general text about the film". I think that even if it were used only on the poster, that already would be reason to mention it here, but it is actually mention in sources as well, some of them discussing the stylization specifically. As an additional consideration to counter the argument that the stylization is not used in "general text", I'd like to add that it is a bit hard to type the inverted letters with a keyboard. Debresser ( talk) 22:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Added a link above regarding Tenet potentially being positioned to be the first film to open in theaters after the lockdown. I've seen this sentiment cited by several chains, so it's perhaps worth including something about it? - "Nolan has always been a huge supporter of the theatrical experience and the business wants to repay him in a big way by making "Tenet" (released by Warner Bros.) the first big movie audiences can see in theaters once the country reopens, according to multiple sources. "It's not just showing the movie, but offering so many showtimes as a thank you to Warner Bros. for having faith in us and not giving up on theatrical," one theater owner told Insider." Sammyjankis88 ( talk) 14:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
After the film was postponed, well-sourced and encyclopedic information about Tenet's unique and widely debated release-strategy was removed. Why not include something about what, historically, will be the most noteworthy about the film?. ( talk) 13:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Some good sources on the matter:
Sammyjankis88 ( talk) 10:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
I havent understand why some guys are forcing an individual's analysis of the films' trailer in PREMISE section. We have already(and only) an official hint about the premise from Warner bros. Wasaydominickcobb ( talk) 12:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
"hint", as you call it, is nothing more than that. It has nothing of a premise in it and thus it isn't appropriate for a Premise section. Meanwhile, that
"individual's analysis"just states things that the trailer already says, the source might as well be the trailer itself. El Millo ( talk) 18:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm pretty new to wikipedia, not sure if a possible reason for the name TENET fits anywhere? it's found in a /info/en/?search=Sator_Square - a palindromic Latin square that is the same inverted as the right way round. Considering the trailer, it seems the most likely explanation, and it does have a place in early christian codes (with a healthy dose of mysticism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.237.163.101 ( talk) 15:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the following under Post-Production
Kevin O'Connell replaced re-recording mixer Gregg Landaker following his retirement after the release of Dunkirk in 2017 168.161.192.23 ( talk) 18:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
It keeps being taken down when I upload it so maybe someone else wants to put it up but clearly the poster should be changed from this effective teaser poster to the theatrical one with the cast credits at the top that every media outlet uses. -- WhySoSerious? ( talk) 12:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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CAST updates:
Kenneth Branagh as Andrei Sator
Dimple Kapadia as Priya
Himesh Patel as Mahir
Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Ives, a paramilitary specialist in the arena of inversion and a team leader on the Protagonist’s mission
Michael Caine as Michael Crosby, a major figure in British intelligence
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @ Hendrik Fiachra, you may wish to try the reference desk. Seagull123 Φ 13:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
How long will this article be protected? 216.154.34.104 ( talk) 20:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
When do you guys think the Plot Synopsis should be added? Obviously, much of the world has not had Tenet available in theaters/cinemas yet. Even here in Australia, we're getting a wider launch on August 27 after the preview screenings on August 22-23. Should we add it on September 4 on the day after the US release? What has been the protocol on the Bond films (since those films have had UK releases a week before the US releases)? Suggestions are welcome. Once we agree on a date, we can add a disclaimer on the Premise section to not add a Plot until the agreed-upon date. --- Draco9904 ( talk) 8:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change the misspelled "Protagnist" to "Protagonist" in the second sentence of the plot summary. 162.195.243.139 ( talk) 09:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Cognissonance: I'm sorry, but you cannot simply disregard a source because you find it inconvenient. The genre might have been discussed before, but we both know that consensus can change and the film quite clearly has science fiction elements. If you're worried about links appearing close together, don't delete the content but rewrite it instead. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 06:55, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thrillerfor now. El Millo ( talk) 07:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources.per WP:MOSFILMS. El Millo ( talk) 08:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
It's worth noting that Interstellar is described as an " epic science fiction film", where "epic" and "science fiction" are separate links. So this is not an uncommon practice.
"Come up with something better that doesn't violate MOS:SEAOFBLUE."
As has been pointed out, SEAOFBLUE is a guideline. We can ignore it at our discretion and I hardly think that having two links alongside one another—the only instance in the article where it occurs—is a serious violation. Of more concern to me is your suggestion that we should omit details that are relevant to the article and based on a range of reliable sources. As Debresser pointed out:
"Your statement 'I will not agree to...' show a possible WP:OWN problem."
This is not the first time OWN has been raised. You did exactly the same thing in the Cyberpunk 2077 article. When formimg a consensus, editors need to take into account the views of all parties involved, but sometimes a unanimous agreement is not possible and so a compromise is necessary. We don't need your agreement to pass a consensus; we just need you to respect it. As it is, we need lengthy debates to convince you of the need for edits that would otherwise be uncontested, much less controversial, which is a classic example of OWN behaviour. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 01:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
"I'll join in agreement with Facu-el Millo."
"I can agree with Facu-el Millo's suggestion." —Debresser. Three people in agreement actually, but ok. El Millo ( talk) 07:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thrillerfor now. If either
actionor
sci-fibecomes more predominant, we could include them along with
thriller. If one of them becomes singularly predominant, then we'll use just that one. If the three of them are somewhat equally used in reliable sources, then perhaps we can use the three of them. El Millo ( talk) 08:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
That's a very post-modern way of thinking about it, but as you yourself pointed out, Warner Bros. are referring to the film—and marketing it as—a science fiction film. I could understand your point better if we were talking about a specific sub-genre—for example, referring to Inception as a heist film—but we're not. And that's before we get to the number of IP edits and edits from registered users who have referred to the film as science fiction. It's quite clear that anyone viewing the trailer is coming to this conclusion.
"You're making mistakes left and right here."
I wasn't aware that we were keeping score and that our respective score gave weight to the merit of our opinion. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thriller. El Millo ( talk) 02:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
"only one genre is valid", just that one may be more predominant than the others. El Millo ( talk) 04:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
"tenet thriller"
"tenet science fiction"
"tenet science fiction thriller"
actionin there. El Millo ( talk) 15:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Tenet is indeed an action film and that's visible from the trailer too. Then why does it have to be listed as just "thriller" according to above few users? Them not even trying to consider labelling it as action, when it's indeed been described as such, shows some clear intention to avoid it due to either personal disinterest or due to some myth regarding the genre. See, a genre has nothing to do with the film's quality. In the past, I've come across people who removed action genre from some "quality" films just because they found it "degrading", which is lame and far from reasonable.
The same happened when Dunkirk was listed on Wikipedia. Warner Bros always promoted it as an epic action thriller and never a war film. Go search it and all their pages still mention it as an epic action thriller. Yet, the same genre debate started when someone changed epic action thriller to epic thriller and epic war thriller. And then to keep it simple, it was reduced to war film while we quite know it's more than that and even Nolan denies about it being a war film. Nevertheless, coming back to Tenet, the trailers hint at an action film very easily. Even before they were out, it was being labeled an action epic. I mean, do some people still don't get a thriller is an entirely different affair from action? If thriller is a broad genre, then so is action. I mean, considering how it is being sold to the audience both in terms of content and promotional materials, my take on this is that action must be listed. I know we can't list everything but we can list sci-fi action if we want which is a fairly reasonable deal.
Also, it's not necessary for the sci-fi aspect to always dominate a film enough to be given more importance over other genres. Film like, say, Criminal, have sci-fi elements in them but are mainly action thrillers.
I don't want this to turn into a genre debate which it sadly became even before I joined. Some user who believes action shouldn't be listed until there's consensus, somehow also believes out of nowhere that we must list sci-fi thriller which hasn't been declared either. If it's that difficult, then why can't it be listed like for web/television series in the infobox itself, where one can freely mention all genres, and leave it empty in the lead section? Or just move to the second line and mention it like this: "A sci-fi action thriller, the film was produced..." Let's not just turn this into a debate and rather come up with ways to constructively act on listing the genres. The debate is not about what genre is right or wrong. All three are right, and I believe leaving the genre space empty in the lead, like done in the page for Fight Club, sounds fine as long as there's no movement here. Please don't see anything as a personal attack as the above mentioned encounters with those users are indeed true. 77Survivor ( talk) 02:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Here's an update: Nolan just called it the most action-packed film he's done to date. https://theplaylist.net/christopher-nolan-tenet-action-john-david-washington-20200528/ 77Survivor ( talk) 05:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
No. Not any genre. Action films are primarily action-packed. Why is it so hard for some people to digest? It is an action film and WB has always said that from the beginning. What other genre has explosions, car chases and fight scenes? Thrillers? No, they are about twists and suspense. We're not here for a genre class, editor. I can see the reluctance in accepting a correct genre. Again, all three genres action sci-fi and thriller are right. You don't have to define which one is correct. We could just come up with a sub-genre that serves as a blanket term (like superhero film or as you suggested spy film as the latter does cover the elements of three genres, mostly action and thriller). I'm okay with spy film but no need of explaining what film is action-packed and what is not. 77Survivor ( talk) 14:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
And if possible, please do share the reference where Nolan specifically cites it as a spy film. That should make it easier to back the decision in case anyone questions it. Waiting for others to decide. 77Survivor ( talk) 14:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing. On my part, the article shared by me, if you've read it, cited:
“The film has more action than any film I’ve ever done,” Nolan said. “It has a plethora of action sequences that [John David Washington took] the lead in."
By action-packed, this is what I meant since it specifically referred to action sequences. I know the term can have extra meanings but in films, it normally describes action film and I expected the same to be understood.
Nevertheless, I read the link you shared and I think spy film should be good to go as it covers the main genres without violating WP:FILMLEAD and Nolan himself calls it so. If others greenlit it too, we call it resolved. 77Survivor ( talk) 15:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
When agreement cannot be reached through editing alone, the consensus-forming process becomes more explicit: editors open a section on the associated talk page and try to work out the dispute through discussion.
In my opinion, to "argue that Nolan isn't the authority on his own film", I think we should take into account an official word of the genre from Warner Bros., the distributor. They could potentially be an authority, over Nolan, on what the genre is. However, I could not find a source directly from Warner Bros. that states what their viewpoint on the genre of Tenet. I am fine with calling Tenet, as a singular genre, a spy film, as it is what Nolan calls it. I just would like to know if Warner Bros. may have a different idea on the film's genre. Cardei012597 ( talk) 04:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
"sci-fi action spectacle", but listing its genre as
action/adventure. With this many genres thrown around, I would still use spy film, as it encompasses all others mentioned. El Millo ( talk) 05:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
"With what was given, they seem to be not as definite on the genre, unlike Nolan."
Tenet is 100% a spy film, a genre that combine escapism (often action and science fiction elements) with exotic locales. Just like Casino Royale is both an action-film and a spy film. Describing Tenet as just an action- or sci-fi is unreasonably vague when we can call it a spy film, and thus cover all tracks. Sammyjankis88 ( talk) 09:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
"I wanted a singular genre from the beginning, so spy film is good."
The problem is that singular genres rarely exist these days.Very true. Debresser ( talk) 14:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Even if there's sci-fi in it, I don't really think we should necessarily list it later as sci-fi spy film. Remember Moonraker? It's the only James Bond film that also ventures into sci-fi. And yet, we're meant to keep it simple due to which it's listed as spy film only. Like superhero film, spy film is a blanket term and is convenient to use without overloading the opening sentence. Even if it's sci-fi, we must not forget it's equally an action thriller. Time manipulation is one thing, all of it happening amidst car chases, fights and explosions is another. I'd suggest to keep it just spy film. If we're so keen to address, what elements it combines, that can be given in a second paragraph of the introduction. The first line doesn't need to be complicated. Also, we've categories at the bottom of the page to cover each and every genre/subgenre without any salad issues. 77Survivor ( talk) 17:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
And the page for spy film itself mentions (we either follow it if right and modify if not):
"Offering a combination of exciting escapism, technological thrills, and exotic locales, many spy films combine the action and science fiction genres, presenting clearly delineated heroes for audiences to root for and villains for them to hate." 77Survivor ( talk) 17:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
"Remember Moonraker? It's the only James Bond film that also ventures into sci-fi."
Alright Debresser and Mclarenfan17, I can sense why you might have problem with this. Sci-fi is all you want, right? That "sci-fi implies a certain amount of action" is another indication you've too much of an issue accepting this is an action film too. Why is that so? Guys, please. This is NOT about what genre is right snd what is not. I just wrote a whole paragraph days ago explaining this. Some of you seem focused on getting just sci-fi listed despite a singular genre being right option. I know, the film's yet to release, and some of our claims might indeed sound premature, but just because you think sci-fi implies action, doesn't mean it's true. The sci-fi that implies action isn't just sci-fi but sci-fi action instead. A little bit of action can be there in the genre, but what about a whole level of blockbuster action? Just to prove one genre right you don't have to bring down the other. No one's refusing the sci-fi thing and it seems like my whole message has been misunderstood. I was only saying we need to keep the genre in opening sentence short. That's it. One genre that can summarize the whole movie instead of just our favorite aspects. If you really wish to contribute to this constructively, think about this. Otherwise, there's no point in arguing even when you have the director himself saying it's a spy film. And for the James Bond thing, well he does use gadgets in all films but Moonraker still is the only one that actually goes this far in terms of sci-fi (even if it's not that far actually). Space is still considered a subject of the genre, isn't it? 77Survivor ( talk) 03:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
That "it must be" thing works both ways. I'm done here. 77Survivor ( talk) 10:51, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
You people STILL haven't classified this as science fiction.......? W. T. F. -- 72.184.60.96 ( talk) 18:08, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
In the following paragraph, there is some misinformation presented:
Kat reveals that Sator is dying from inoperable cancer and has turned omnicidal, believing that if he is to die, then all humanity should go with him. She explains that the unidentified objects, nine in total, are nine parts of a yet-to-be-discovered algorithm, capable of inverting the entire world, which was sent back to the past by its inventor in an attempt to prevent it from ever being used. The people in the future who are helping Sator believe that reversing entropy will reverse climate change and make the Earth habitable for them. The Protagonist questions the logic of future humans killing their own ancestors and threatening their own existence. Neil responds that the future people are facing extinction, and may have no recourse but to try.
Text in bold is not told in the movie by Kat, but by Priya whom the Protagonist visits.
Edit: Above is not entirely true either, my bad. While Kat is recovering from her wounds while inverted, Neil actually reveals that the Plutonium 241 is actually a piece of nine in the algorithm, and what this algorithm can do. The protagonist later visits Priya who reveals more about the origins of this project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whodogius ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
https://entertainment.ie/cinema/movie-news/tenet-sound-mixing-460957/ Please talk about the sound mixing issues in the reception area. It's a problem that both reviewers and moviegoers have been complaining about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.102.51 ( talk) 18:05, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone else who watched the film confirm a claim by User:Neptune777, that the Ukranian police in the first scene were actually undercover Russians? I certainly don't remember that. starship .paint ( talk) 12:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change box office from $718,105 to $53,000,000. Source: https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/tenet-box-office-international-christopher-nolan-1234753966/ 2001:8F8:132B:225:F0A2:A6A6:F131:777 ( talk) 18:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Already done by TropicAces diff. - hako9 ( talk) 01:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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Please change "leading him to Laura, a scientist studing bullets" to "leading him to Laura, a scientist studying bullets" because studying was spelled wrong. ForestJustin ( talk) 06:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
With this edit 971879171 the speculation of it being a stealth sequel to Inception was removed. Please discuss here before re-inserting, so we can show that there is consensus to include. -- Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 20:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Emir of Wikipedia, Facu-el Millo, and Debresser: Fan theories are only relevant when they are confirmed to be true. We can't add every single thing that reddit comes up with. The sources are either saying it is "farfetched" or "not likely". Not to mention the edit was poorly done and had to be copyedited. Fucking ping me next time. Cognissonance ( talk) 22:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change "painting" to "drawing". The artwork in the movie is a Goya drawing (or rather two false Goya drawings) not paintings. Mrbanquo ( talk) 22:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Change name to Kyiv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Тарас Бакун ( talk • contribs) 20:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
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As more information about the film becomes available, the article should be developed further. I have some suggestions as to how the article can be developed. The introduction currently says:
However, it should read:
The infobox states that Thomas is a producer and that Syncopy Inc. is the production studio (Nolan and Thomas are Syncopy). It is also consistent with other Nolan articles.
As for the body paragraphs, they currently read like this:
This is what I think the paragraphs should look like. I have added justifications in in bold to make it easier to follow:
I also feel that there may be too much of an emphasis on the Estonian government's subsidies and incentives in the footnotes. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 11:51, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Confirming Tenet was shooting in Oslo, Norway on thursday 5.9. It took place over the course of one day, and locations included the roof of the Oslo Opera House and Tjuvholmen. Ref: https://www.nrk.no/kultur/hollywood-stjerner-i-oslo-1.14689664 (Source is NRK, the Norwegian government-owned radio and television public broadcasting company) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.176.244.83 ( talk) 08:53, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Cognissonance: and IPs, please stop edit warring and discuss issues here. I have protected this page for three days before things get out of hand. Thanks — Amakuru ( talk) 17:09, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Regarding this: there is no source substantiating that it is released in the US and UK on that date. Find one. There are too many genres added, "action thriller" covers it sufficiently. Several wikilinks next to each other misleads the reader into thinking they are all one link. Categories have already been cleaned up. Cognissonance ( talk) 07:41, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I restored the mention of the stylization "TENƎꓕ)" to the lead after it was removed by User:Trivialist in this edit with the edit summary "removing stylization only used in logo and not in general text about the film". I think that even if it were used only on the poster, that already would be reason to mention it here, but it is actually mention in sources as well, some of them discussing the stylization specifically. As an additional consideration to counter the argument that the stylization is not used in "general text", I'd like to add that it is a bit hard to type the inverted letters with a keyboard. Debresser ( talk) 22:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Added a link above regarding Tenet potentially being positioned to be the first film to open in theaters after the lockdown. I've seen this sentiment cited by several chains, so it's perhaps worth including something about it? - "Nolan has always been a huge supporter of the theatrical experience and the business wants to repay him in a big way by making "Tenet" (released by Warner Bros.) the first big movie audiences can see in theaters once the country reopens, according to multiple sources. "It's not just showing the movie, but offering so many showtimes as a thank you to Warner Bros. for having faith in us and not giving up on theatrical," one theater owner told Insider." Sammyjankis88 ( talk) 14:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
After the film was postponed, well-sourced and encyclopedic information about Tenet's unique and widely debated release-strategy was removed. Why not include something about what, historically, will be the most noteworthy about the film?. ( talk) 13:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Some good sources on the matter:
Sammyjankis88 ( talk) 10:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
I havent understand why some guys are forcing an individual's analysis of the films' trailer in PREMISE section. We have already(and only) an official hint about the premise from Warner bros. Wasaydominickcobb ( talk) 12:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
"hint", as you call it, is nothing more than that. It has nothing of a premise in it and thus it isn't appropriate for a Premise section. Meanwhile, that
"individual's analysis"just states things that the trailer already says, the source might as well be the trailer itself. El Millo ( talk) 18:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm pretty new to wikipedia, not sure if a possible reason for the name TENET fits anywhere? it's found in a /info/en/?search=Sator_Square - a palindromic Latin square that is the same inverted as the right way round. Considering the trailer, it seems the most likely explanation, and it does have a place in early christian codes (with a healthy dose of mysticism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.237.163.101 ( talk) 15:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Kevin O'Connell replaced re-recording mixer Gregg Landaker following his retirement after the release of Dunkirk in 2017 168.161.192.23 ( talk) 18:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
It keeps being taken down when I upload it so maybe someone else wants to put it up but clearly the poster should be changed from this effective teaser poster to the theatrical one with the cast credits at the top that every media outlet uses. -- WhySoSerious? ( talk) 12:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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CAST updates:
Kenneth Branagh as Andrei Sator
Dimple Kapadia as Priya
Himesh Patel as Mahir
Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Ives, a paramilitary specialist in the arena of inversion and a team leader on the Protagonist’s mission
Michael Caine as Michael Crosby, a major figure in British intelligence
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19:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @ Hendrik Fiachra, you may wish to try the reference desk. Seagull123 Φ 13:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
How long will this article be protected? 216.154.34.104 ( talk) 20:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
When do you guys think the Plot Synopsis should be added? Obviously, much of the world has not had Tenet available in theaters/cinemas yet. Even here in Australia, we're getting a wider launch on August 27 after the preview screenings on August 22-23. Should we add it on September 4 on the day after the US release? What has been the protocol on the Bond films (since those films have had UK releases a week before the US releases)? Suggestions are welcome. Once we agree on a date, we can add a disclaimer on the Premise section to not add a Plot until the agreed-upon date. --- Draco9904 ( talk) 8:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change the misspelled "Protagnist" to "Protagonist" in the second sentence of the plot summary. 162.195.243.139 ( talk) 09:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Cognissonance: I'm sorry, but you cannot simply disregard a source because you find it inconvenient. The genre might have been discussed before, but we both know that consensus can change and the film quite clearly has science fiction elements. If you're worried about links appearing close together, don't delete the content but rewrite it instead. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 06:55, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thrillerfor now. El Millo ( talk) 07:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources.per WP:MOSFILMS. El Millo ( talk) 08:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
It's worth noting that Interstellar is described as an " epic science fiction film", where "epic" and "science fiction" are separate links. So this is not an uncommon practice.
"Come up with something better that doesn't violate MOS:SEAOFBLUE."
As has been pointed out, SEAOFBLUE is a guideline. We can ignore it at our discretion and I hardly think that having two links alongside one another—the only instance in the article where it occurs—is a serious violation. Of more concern to me is your suggestion that we should omit details that are relevant to the article and based on a range of reliable sources. As Debresser pointed out:
"Your statement 'I will not agree to...' show a possible WP:OWN problem."
This is not the first time OWN has been raised. You did exactly the same thing in the Cyberpunk 2077 article. When formimg a consensus, editors need to take into account the views of all parties involved, but sometimes a unanimous agreement is not possible and so a compromise is necessary. We don't need your agreement to pass a consensus; we just need you to respect it. As it is, we need lengthy debates to convince you of the need for edits that would otherwise be uncontested, much less controversial, which is a classic example of OWN behaviour. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 01:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
"I'll join in agreement with Facu-el Millo."
"I can agree with Facu-el Millo's suggestion." —Debresser. Three people in agreement actually, but ok. El Millo ( talk) 07:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thrillerfor now. If either
actionor
sci-fibecomes more predominant, we could include them along with
thriller. If one of them becomes singularly predominant, then we'll use just that one. If the three of them are somewhat equally used in reliable sources, then perhaps we can use the three of them. El Millo ( talk) 08:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
That's a very post-modern way of thinking about it, but as you yourself pointed out, Warner Bros. are referring to the film—and marketing it as—a science fiction film. I could understand your point better if we were talking about a specific sub-genre—for example, referring to Inception as a heist film—but we're not. And that's before we get to the number of IP edits and edits from registered users who have referred to the film as science fiction. It's quite clear that anyone viewing the trailer is coming to this conclusion.
"You're making mistakes left and right here."
I wasn't aware that we were keeping score and that our respective score gave weight to the merit of our opinion. Mclarenfan17 ( talk) 23:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thriller. El Millo ( talk) 02:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
"only one genre is valid", just that one may be more predominant than the others. El Millo ( talk) 04:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
"tenet thriller"
"tenet science fiction"
"tenet science fiction thriller"
actionin there. El Millo ( talk) 15:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Tenet is indeed an action film and that's visible from the trailer too. Then why does it have to be listed as just "thriller" according to above few users? Them not even trying to consider labelling it as action, when it's indeed been described as such, shows some clear intention to avoid it due to either personal disinterest or due to some myth regarding the genre. See, a genre has nothing to do with the film's quality. In the past, I've come across people who removed action genre from some "quality" films just because they found it "degrading", which is lame and far from reasonable.
The same happened when Dunkirk was listed on Wikipedia. Warner Bros always promoted it as an epic action thriller and never a war film. Go search it and all their pages still mention it as an epic action thriller. Yet, the same genre debate started when someone changed epic action thriller to epic thriller and epic war thriller. And then to keep it simple, it was reduced to war film while we quite know it's more than that and even Nolan denies about it being a war film. Nevertheless, coming back to Tenet, the trailers hint at an action film very easily. Even before they were out, it was being labeled an action epic. I mean, do some people still don't get a thriller is an entirely different affair from action? If thriller is a broad genre, then so is action. I mean, considering how it is being sold to the audience both in terms of content and promotional materials, my take on this is that action must be listed. I know we can't list everything but we can list sci-fi action if we want which is a fairly reasonable deal.
Also, it's not necessary for the sci-fi aspect to always dominate a film enough to be given more importance over other genres. Film like, say, Criminal, have sci-fi elements in them but are mainly action thrillers.
I don't want this to turn into a genre debate which it sadly became even before I joined. Some user who believes action shouldn't be listed until there's consensus, somehow also believes out of nowhere that we must list sci-fi thriller which hasn't been declared either. If it's that difficult, then why can't it be listed like for web/television series in the infobox itself, where one can freely mention all genres, and leave it empty in the lead section? Or just move to the second line and mention it like this: "A sci-fi action thriller, the film was produced..." Let's not just turn this into a debate and rather come up with ways to constructively act on listing the genres. The debate is not about what genre is right or wrong. All three are right, and I believe leaving the genre space empty in the lead, like done in the page for Fight Club, sounds fine as long as there's no movement here. Please don't see anything as a personal attack as the above mentioned encounters with those users are indeed true. 77Survivor ( talk) 02:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Here's an update: Nolan just called it the most action-packed film he's done to date. https://theplaylist.net/christopher-nolan-tenet-action-john-david-washington-20200528/ 77Survivor ( talk) 05:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
No. Not any genre. Action films are primarily action-packed. Why is it so hard for some people to digest? It is an action film and WB has always said that from the beginning. What other genre has explosions, car chases and fight scenes? Thrillers? No, they are about twists and suspense. We're not here for a genre class, editor. I can see the reluctance in accepting a correct genre. Again, all three genres action sci-fi and thriller are right. You don't have to define which one is correct. We could just come up with a sub-genre that serves as a blanket term (like superhero film or as you suggested spy film as the latter does cover the elements of three genres, mostly action and thriller). I'm okay with spy film but no need of explaining what film is action-packed and what is not. 77Survivor ( talk) 14:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
And if possible, please do share the reference where Nolan specifically cites it as a spy film. That should make it easier to back the decision in case anyone questions it. Waiting for others to decide. 77Survivor ( talk) 14:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing. On my part, the article shared by me, if you've read it, cited:
“The film has more action than any film I’ve ever done,” Nolan said. “It has a plethora of action sequences that [John David Washington took] the lead in."
By action-packed, this is what I meant since it specifically referred to action sequences. I know the term can have extra meanings but in films, it normally describes action film and I expected the same to be understood.
Nevertheless, I read the link you shared and I think spy film should be good to go as it covers the main genres without violating WP:FILMLEAD and Nolan himself calls it so. If others greenlit it too, we call it resolved. 77Survivor ( talk) 15:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
When agreement cannot be reached through editing alone, the consensus-forming process becomes more explicit: editors open a section on the associated talk page and try to work out the dispute through discussion.
In my opinion, to "argue that Nolan isn't the authority on his own film", I think we should take into account an official word of the genre from Warner Bros., the distributor. They could potentially be an authority, over Nolan, on what the genre is. However, I could not find a source directly from Warner Bros. that states what their viewpoint on the genre of Tenet. I am fine with calling Tenet, as a singular genre, a spy film, as it is what Nolan calls it. I just would like to know if Warner Bros. may have a different idea on the film's genre. Cardei012597 ( talk) 04:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
"sci-fi action spectacle", but listing its genre as
action/adventure. With this many genres thrown around, I would still use spy film, as it encompasses all others mentioned. El Millo ( talk) 05:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
"With what was given, they seem to be not as definite on the genre, unlike Nolan."
Tenet is 100% a spy film, a genre that combine escapism (often action and science fiction elements) with exotic locales. Just like Casino Royale is both an action-film and a spy film. Describing Tenet as just an action- or sci-fi is unreasonably vague when we can call it a spy film, and thus cover all tracks. Sammyjankis88 ( talk) 09:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
"I wanted a singular genre from the beginning, so spy film is good."
The problem is that singular genres rarely exist these days.Very true. Debresser ( talk) 14:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Even if there's sci-fi in it, I don't really think we should necessarily list it later as sci-fi spy film. Remember Moonraker? It's the only James Bond film that also ventures into sci-fi. And yet, we're meant to keep it simple due to which it's listed as spy film only. Like superhero film, spy film is a blanket term and is convenient to use without overloading the opening sentence. Even if it's sci-fi, we must not forget it's equally an action thriller. Time manipulation is one thing, all of it happening amidst car chases, fights and explosions is another. I'd suggest to keep it just spy film. If we're so keen to address, what elements it combines, that can be given in a second paragraph of the introduction. The first line doesn't need to be complicated. Also, we've categories at the bottom of the page to cover each and every genre/subgenre without any salad issues. 77Survivor ( talk) 17:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
And the page for spy film itself mentions (we either follow it if right and modify if not):
"Offering a combination of exciting escapism, technological thrills, and exotic locales, many spy films combine the action and science fiction genres, presenting clearly delineated heroes for audiences to root for and villains for them to hate." 77Survivor ( talk) 17:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
"Remember Moonraker? It's the only James Bond film that also ventures into sci-fi."
Alright Debresser and Mclarenfan17, I can sense why you might have problem with this. Sci-fi is all you want, right? That "sci-fi implies a certain amount of action" is another indication you've too much of an issue accepting this is an action film too. Why is that so? Guys, please. This is NOT about what genre is right snd what is not. I just wrote a whole paragraph days ago explaining this. Some of you seem focused on getting just sci-fi listed despite a singular genre being right option. I know, the film's yet to release, and some of our claims might indeed sound premature, but just because you think sci-fi implies action, doesn't mean it's true. The sci-fi that implies action isn't just sci-fi but sci-fi action instead. A little bit of action can be there in the genre, but what about a whole level of blockbuster action? Just to prove one genre right you don't have to bring down the other. No one's refusing the sci-fi thing and it seems like my whole message has been misunderstood. I was only saying we need to keep the genre in opening sentence short. That's it. One genre that can summarize the whole movie instead of just our favorite aspects. If you really wish to contribute to this constructively, think about this. Otherwise, there's no point in arguing even when you have the director himself saying it's a spy film. And for the James Bond thing, well he does use gadgets in all films but Moonraker still is the only one that actually goes this far in terms of sci-fi (even if it's not that far actually). Space is still considered a subject of the genre, isn't it? 77Survivor ( talk) 03:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
That "it must be" thing works both ways. I'm done here. 77Survivor ( talk) 10:51, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
You people STILL haven't classified this as science fiction.......? W. T. F. -- 72.184.60.96 ( talk) 18:08, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
In the following paragraph, there is some misinformation presented:
Kat reveals that Sator is dying from inoperable cancer and has turned omnicidal, believing that if he is to die, then all humanity should go with him. She explains that the unidentified objects, nine in total, are nine parts of a yet-to-be-discovered algorithm, capable of inverting the entire world, which was sent back to the past by its inventor in an attempt to prevent it from ever being used. The people in the future who are helping Sator believe that reversing entropy will reverse climate change and make the Earth habitable for them. The Protagonist questions the logic of future humans killing their own ancestors and threatening their own existence. Neil responds that the future people are facing extinction, and may have no recourse but to try.
Text in bold is not told in the movie by Kat, but by Priya whom the Protagonist visits.
Edit: Above is not entirely true either, my bad. While Kat is recovering from her wounds while inverted, Neil actually reveals that the Plutonium 241 is actually a piece of nine in the algorithm, and what this algorithm can do. The protagonist later visits Priya who reveals more about the origins of this project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whodogius ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
https://entertainment.ie/cinema/movie-news/tenet-sound-mixing-460957/ Please talk about the sound mixing issues in the reception area. It's a problem that both reviewers and moviegoers have been complaining about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.102.51 ( talk) 18:05, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone else who watched the film confirm a claim by User:Neptune777, that the Ukranian police in the first scene were actually undercover Russians? I certainly don't remember that. starship .paint ( talk) 12:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change box office from $718,105 to $53,000,000. Source: https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/tenet-box-office-international-christopher-nolan-1234753966/ 2001:8F8:132B:225:F0A2:A6A6:F131:777 ( talk) 18:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Already done by TropicAces diff. - hako9 ( talk) 01:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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Please change "leading him to Laura, a scientist studing bullets" to "leading him to Laura, a scientist studying bullets" because studying was spelled wrong. ForestJustin ( talk) 06:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
With this edit 971879171 the speculation of it being a stealth sequel to Inception was removed. Please discuss here before re-inserting, so we can show that there is consensus to include. -- Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 20:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Emir of Wikipedia, Facu-el Millo, and Debresser: Fan theories are only relevant when they are confirmed to be true. We can't add every single thing that reddit comes up with. The sources are either saying it is "farfetched" or "not likely". Not to mention the edit was poorly done and had to be copyedited. Fucking ping me next time. Cognissonance ( talk) 22:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change "painting" to "drawing". The artwork in the movie is a Goya drawing (or rather two false Goya drawings) not paintings. Mrbanquo ( talk) 22:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Change name to Kyiv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Тарас Бакун ( talk • contribs) 20:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)