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@Gesture, it's interesting how you treat your source claiming that Kurds represent 40-45% of the population as a fact, when it's an opinion article by some unknown writer. On the other hand, you use the word "claimed" for numbers provided by a Turkish official (Governor of Urfa situation across the border from Tell Abyad). Nice standards!! Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 04:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
User:Multi-gesture, the last sentence you added had nothing to do with Tel-Abyad, or the Kurds percentage or the Governor ! This is considered WP:SYNTH.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 18:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
The source doesn't say that only 10% Tell Abyad population are Kurds. This is the source says:
The newly captured areas around the city is only ten percent Kurdish. Ferakp ( talk) 09:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Another problem, the source is not a reliable source, it is widely discussed in Rojava's talk page. Ferakp ( talk) 10:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the recent accusation against you, you should be really much more careful with your edits. Just because some are blackwashing articles, whitewashing is absolutely not better. And more important, that's not what Wikipedia is supposed to be. It's supposed to be neutral!
@ عمرو بن كلثوم: You edit [2] was reversed.
Reasons why I reverted your edits:
1. You removed sourceddetails (55%) without any reason.
2. The Kurdwatch is not Kurdish and it is not human rights group. It is just an internet portal as they say here,
[3].
3. It doesn't confirm anything, it claims and it has no statistical or original studies. It is just an internet portal.
4. The Kurds consist 10% of the population of newly captured areas in Tel Abyad, not the whole Tel Abyad.
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Confirm is a strong word and should not be used without any court decision, especially if a source is not a reliable and strong. In case of Kurdwatch, it's nothing else than a claim, since it has itself said that they aren't responsible for their reports/news and their accuracy. Ferakp ( talk) 05:22, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Attar-Aram and 2A1ZA,
I don't have much time now, but I'm very angry about your edits here. The things you removed without anything even close to a discussion was reached after intense discussion. It was definitely no propaganda as you, 2A1ZA, said, in contrary. It only shows the different claims and points out that we currently haven't official numbers. It was clearly mentioned that they aren't official. So: revert all of your disruptive edits you made here today! I'm quite angry about this!-- Ermanarich ( talk) 12:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I guess I was rude. No hard feelings I hope. As for ferakp, I already have evidence.... I just genuinely dont want him blocked. He is not bad and better than multi-Gesture who I fought and blocked. Im just collecting evidence now. I wont open an investigation now cause we need a Kurdish voice on those articles and that guy isnt a rock head like many Kurdish nationalists Ive met (though he think anyone who doesnt agree with him to be a supremacist).-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 19:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
There was and is high emotion concerning the formulation of the ethnic composition. Current state is:
I consider this the most neutral that is possible and achieved yet. If you want to change, please explain here. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 13:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
The CIA doesnt have baseless information. It isnt baseless that this isnt a Kurdish majority area.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 18:31, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed cause it was from 1992 while this from 2002. Your map is by Izady, the guy claiming the Kurds are the grandsons of Halaf cultures 6000 BC....... That should be enough to talk about this man. By the way, his map shows that Kurds live in tel abyad not that they are majority. He also put a lot of Armenians in Deir ezzor but we know they are not a majority.. It also miss the Armenians in Kassab.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 18:42, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
After one user reverted all updates to the page and any inclusion of content unrelated to ethnic-majority wars, I will now make a second attempt. However important these who-is-ethnic-majority wars may appear to some, it cannot be that this article does prohibit any other informatuion on Tell Abyad. I will for now in Edit: CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER leave all content concerning the who-is-ethnic-majority wars untouched, just make the order of the history section chronological rather than dramaturgical as it is now, add new information unrelated to who-is-ethnic-majority wars, and delete one sentence about government which is onviously outdated. If you have an issue with this, please talk about it here rather than reverting without reason. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 16:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
"Kurdwatch" is not a serious source. Currently, this article gives extreme weight to a quote from that "Kurdwatch" website, without there being any reason to do so, as all the content of that quote already is in the article, and if one would want to elaborate, there would be many much more serious sources around for each and every point mentioned. I strongly suggest to either completely remove the "Kurdwatch" part or at least cook it down to one sentence. Suggestion for cooking down:
This would also serve the aim to correct the overall balance of the article, which gives absurd undue weight to this one issue. And it would serve the aim of embarrassing Wikipedia less by less presenting this "internet portal" as an alleged quotable source. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 17:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I kindly ask Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) to stop vandalizing the "Self-administration within Kobanî Canton" section by deleting highly relevant, informative and well-sourced content without any discernable reason or explanation. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 10:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Since both Kurds and Turkmen are significant minorities in Tell Abyad, consisting of 10-30% and 15% of the town's population, respectively, [10] [11] Tell Abyad would be listed both as a Kurdish community and a Turkmen community in Syria. Please don't remove either category without a clear consensus. Editor abcdef ( talk) 02:25, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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عمرو بن كلثوم, my recent edit in the SCW section was made to avoid redirects and repetition, link relevant articles, arrange the information in a logical sequence, introduce a more NPOV, and improve the English. Why are you reverting me?
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The Kurds formally renamed Tal Abyad with a Kurdish name, "Gire Spi", and proclaim its new identity in signs throughout the town — written in the Latin script used by Turkish Kurds but not readily understood by Syrian Kurds or Arabs. They have also unilaterally detached it from the existing Syrian province of Raqqa and made it a part of their newly formed autonomous enclave, carved from areas traditionally inhabited by Kurds but steadily encroaching also on territories that were historically Arab.
I hope in the future you work collaboratively with other editors, and do not insist on unilateral unjustified content removal. You are welcome to do the other Engish/sequence edits without content removal. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 02:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
City is under control of Turkish armed forces and Free Syrian Army. Officialy Turkish,FSA and EVEN KURDISH SOURCES call city Tell abyad. It is weird as changing name of New York to New amsterdam. Tell Abyad is ruled by FSA and even Kurdish newspapers call city Tell Abyad. Police station to goverment buildings inside also Tell Abyad. It is weird calling somewhere not even in control not officialy to gri spi. Name can stay but official and main name is Tell Abyad. Here recent news about city 1) https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/095a0270-9e50-4025-9232-cd516a79e35c 2) https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/06/turkey-uscrif-syria-maenza-kurds-yazidis-christians-religion.html 3) https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkish-red-crescent-delivers-ramadan-aid-in-n-syria/1819011 4) https://www.trthaber.com/haber/dunya/tel-abyadin-guvenligi-turkiyenin-egittigi-yerel-polislere-emanet-453889.html 5) https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/turkiye/tel-abyad-nufus-mudurlugu-hizmete-girdi-/1857827 6) https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/dunya/tel-abyadda-smo-aracina-bombali-saldiri/1871349 7) https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/turkiye/tel-abyad-ve-rasulaynda-yillar-sonra-huzurlu-bayram-sevinci-/1852157 8) https://www.ahaber.com.tr/video/yasam-videolari/tel-abyada-iki-turk-bayragi-asildi HERE IS OFFICIAL POLICE STATION = https://iasbh.tmgrup.com.tr/67c29c/752/395/0/75/1108/658?u=https://isbh.tmgrup.com.tr/sbh/2019/12/04/turkiyenin-egittigi-polisler-devrede-1575489605182.jpeg
Road Signs: https://ahvalnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/is_article_featured_top_1200x550/public/2020-01/20191025133235afpp--afp_1lq4gt.h.jpg?h=7fe56d7b&itok=K0xI94Uc Local court : https://www.bik.gov.tr/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Tel-Abyad%C4%B1n-g%C3%BCvenli%C4%9Fi-T%C3%BCrkiyenin-e%C4%9Fitti%C4%9Fi-askeri-polislere-emanet-16.jpg Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 20:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I support Amr and this should not be deleted. Washington Post is a reliable source wich is not blacklisted in wikipedia. Shadow4dark ( talk) 02:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, what is your question? 18:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
I've requested a Dispute resolution at the DRN, but I've not included all the involved ones in the discussion. I thought I mention/bother the ones active (more than 1 edit) in the discussion. But of course all can join and add their name. Maybe this brings in some movement in the DRN since our dispute hasn't been edited by a volunteer for 7 days. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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There are included for now two quotes in dispute. The WaPo quote and the Balanche quote. While it is normal that an article sometimes isn't accurate in the facts represented, it is questionable if a quote representing a contradiction to various phrases in the article, should be included. If we find something useful in the WaPo and Balanche article, great, but then we could just use it a source for the events that are represented in the majority of the sources and not just this one WaPo or Balanche source. But include a quote where unilaterally detached is included is just a POV and not an actual fact, as the Tell Abyad wasn't part of the "existing" Syrian Raqqa Governorate anymore, and this is shown in numerous articles about the Raqqa Offensive or the Tabqa Offensive to name just two. And calling Balanche a Syrian Civil War "expert" who ignores the existence of the Tell Abyad Canton and the Tell Abyad Civil council is utterly weird, let alone quote him of such findings. It is not fair for the Tell Abyad article nor for Balanche. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 18:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Anadolu Agency is formed even beginning of Turkish Republic ( April 6, 1920; 100+ years ago) With this logic we should never mention ANF, kurdistan24 or Rudaw even The Washington Times or The Guardian on articles.. Again, we see a method that the Kurdish diaspora found to write articles by their own heads now ridiculously not even counting sources... If you want we can use only PKK sources that claiming everyday killing 20+ soldiers btw not even injured reported.. I invite you to be logical You just lowering yourself into a funny situation sir.. Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 19:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Sorry but you just seeking new excuses. And you even ignore warning from a admin [4] Shadow4dark ( talk) 18:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone still question the inclusionnof the Kurdwatch quote? Other wise I'd remove it. The KurdWatch quote is really just of a minor institution, and sincerely, I have not yet found a quote of any newspaper, also not of important ones, on Wikipedia. I might be wrong, though. But prove me otherwise Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 20:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
You added it and it is there in the Kurds in Syria article, although he is the only one claiming 16% Kurds in Syria, while all other refernces put thenumber under 10%. This is to show you that I am not a POV-pusher like you. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 17:30, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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@ Paradise Chronicle:, you did not like the Talk here and all the facts I presented to you supporting the WaPost quote. You opened the request at DRN, and then you didn't like the suggestion of the volunteer there (user Nightenbelle) that a quote is a quote and you can't change it, and didn't like the extra evidence we presented there. You have decided to resume your edit war and remove not only the one quote in dispute but the two quotes that go against your POV, in addition to the Kurdwatch story that I don't care about. I will give you one hour to revert yourself before I report you. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 17:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@ EdJohnston: You have followed this article for a bit in the near past, and might have noticed the DRN user Paradise Chronicle opened. This user has not liked the suggestion of volunteer user Nightenbelle, and decided to remove the SOURCED Washington Post material and Washington Institute material. Thanks for looking into this, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 20:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
So now this is your new pretext to push your POV!? OK, I'll bear with you. Per WP:Quotes: "Recommended use: In some instances, quotations are preferred to text. For example:
I guess one or both criteria above are relevant to the dispute we are talking about here. You deemed the quotations as long (based on your opinion), which is another new pretext, since in the past you were only complaining about the word "unilateral" in the Wa Post quote. However, WP:Quotes calls for "Long quotations may be hidden in the reference as a WP:FOOTNOTE to facilitate verification by other editors without sacrificing readability", which you didn't bother to suggest or do instead of entirely removing the quotes. BTW, your claim that this is a cultural dispute is simply not true, it is clearly a political dispute (hence the Syrian Civil War sanctions), and both quotes talk clearly about the political situation. Again, I invite an Admin to look into this. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 23:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Paradise Chronicle: You just removed the two quotes that were the subject of our discussion in July and a RFC. We had agreed to take out the Kurdwatch quote as a compromise, but you are now coming back and removing the same quotes for which removal you were blocked last time. I kindly ask that you revert you removal before I report that. Thanks, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 16:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 13:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Cengizsogutlu, About what? That Amr ignores the discussion at the talk page? No answer to WP:UNDUE, no answer to the term unilaterally since May 2020. No answer also to the relevance of the authors of the quotes. Amr called Balanche an opinion in Kurds in Syria, why is he an expert here? And what about a Liz Sly? What is here unique connection to Tell Abyad which is worth of one of two quotes in the article? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 14:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone oppose the removal of the two quotes of Liz Sly and Fabrice Balanche on other grounds as that they are sourced with high quality sources? I have brought numerous arguments up of which several were undressed since May 2020 when the dispute began. Two of the editors who wanted to include the quotes have since been topic banned on Kurds and Kurdistan On the First Quote of Liz Sly of The Washington Post:
Number 1: Tell Abyad was liberated from ISIL and therefore it could not possibly have been "unilaterally" detached from the Raqqa Governorate by "the Kurds". The Raqqa Governorate (Called Raqqa Wilaya by ISIL) was still Administered by ISIL in large parts until late 2016, while Raqqa itself only fell in October 2017.
Number 2: Tell Abyad was not "formally" renamed into a Kurdish name. The new Administration just allowed the Kurdish name as well. The SDF itself levied a Military council of Tell Abyad in June 2019 well ahead of the capture of Tell Abyad through the Turkish lead forces.
Number 3: Latin and Arab script were both known also before the capture of Tell Abyad by the YPG as it is shown in images of Syrian traffic signs in Wikipedia Commons.
Number 4 Then Liz Sly is also not a prominent figure from Tell Abyad
I agree on that they were accused of Kurdifying the city, but to present several inaccuracies in the prominent fashion of a Quote is not NPOV.
On the second quote: WINEP is not a reliable source according to WP:RS archive No.48
Then the Tell Abyad Canton was established in 2015 existed until it was captured during the Turkish invasion into North and East Syria and therefore it couldn't be a part of Kobane Canton as claimed by Fabrice Balanche. Then Tell Abyad also had a culturally mixed civil council which included several ethnicities. That an author ignores such info and then his text is presented in a prominent fashion of a quote is not NPOV or contrary to MOS:QUOTEPOV and MOS:SCAREQUOTES.
Any suggestions how to present such info other than I did it before? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 06:00, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
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@Gesture, it's interesting how you treat your source claiming that Kurds represent 40-45% of the population as a fact, when it's an opinion article by some unknown writer. On the other hand, you use the word "claimed" for numbers provided by a Turkish official (Governor of Urfa situation across the border from Tell Abyad). Nice standards!! Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 04:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
User:Multi-gesture, the last sentence you added had nothing to do with Tel-Abyad, or the Kurds percentage or the Governor ! This is considered WP:SYNTH.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 18:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
The source doesn't say that only 10% Tell Abyad population are Kurds. This is the source says:
The newly captured areas around the city is only ten percent Kurdish. Ferakp ( talk) 09:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Another problem, the source is not a reliable source, it is widely discussed in Rojava's talk page. Ferakp ( talk) 10:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the recent accusation against you, you should be really much more careful with your edits. Just because some are blackwashing articles, whitewashing is absolutely not better. And more important, that's not what Wikipedia is supposed to be. It's supposed to be neutral!
@ عمرو بن كلثوم: You edit [2] was reversed.
Reasons why I reverted your edits:
1. You removed sourceddetails (55%) without any reason.
2. The Kurdwatch is not Kurdish and it is not human rights group. It is just an internet portal as they say here,
[3].
3. It doesn't confirm anything, it claims and it has no statistical or original studies. It is just an internet portal.
4. The Kurds consist 10% of the population of newly captured areas in Tel Abyad, not the whole Tel Abyad.
Ferakp (
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Confirm is a strong word and should not be used without any court decision, especially if a source is not a reliable and strong. In case of Kurdwatch, it's nothing else than a claim, since it has itself said that they aren't responsible for their reports/news and their accuracy. Ferakp ( talk) 05:22, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Attar-Aram and 2A1ZA,
I don't have much time now, but I'm very angry about your edits here. The things you removed without anything even close to a discussion was reached after intense discussion. It was definitely no propaganda as you, 2A1ZA, said, in contrary. It only shows the different claims and points out that we currently haven't official numbers. It was clearly mentioned that they aren't official. So: revert all of your disruptive edits you made here today! I'm quite angry about this!-- Ermanarich ( talk) 12:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I guess I was rude. No hard feelings I hope. As for ferakp, I already have evidence.... I just genuinely dont want him blocked. He is not bad and better than multi-Gesture who I fought and blocked. Im just collecting evidence now. I wont open an investigation now cause we need a Kurdish voice on those articles and that guy isnt a rock head like many Kurdish nationalists Ive met (though he think anyone who doesnt agree with him to be a supremacist).-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 19:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
There was and is high emotion concerning the formulation of the ethnic composition. Current state is:
I consider this the most neutral that is possible and achieved yet. If you want to change, please explain here. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 13:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
The CIA doesnt have baseless information. It isnt baseless that this isnt a Kurdish majority area.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 18:31, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed cause it was from 1992 while this from 2002. Your map is by Izady, the guy claiming the Kurds are the grandsons of Halaf cultures 6000 BC....... That should be enough to talk about this man. By the way, his map shows that Kurds live in tel abyad not that they are majority. He also put a lot of Armenians in Deir ezzor but we know they are not a majority.. It also miss the Armenians in Kassab.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 18:42, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
After one user reverted all updates to the page and any inclusion of content unrelated to ethnic-majority wars, I will now make a second attempt. However important these who-is-ethnic-majority wars may appear to some, it cannot be that this article does prohibit any other informatuion on Tell Abyad. I will for now in Edit: CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER leave all content concerning the who-is-ethnic-majority wars untouched, just make the order of the history section chronological rather than dramaturgical as it is now, add new information unrelated to who-is-ethnic-majority wars, and delete one sentence about government which is onviously outdated. If you have an issue with this, please talk about it here rather than reverting without reason. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 16:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
"Kurdwatch" is not a serious source. Currently, this article gives extreme weight to a quote from that "Kurdwatch" website, without there being any reason to do so, as all the content of that quote already is in the article, and if one would want to elaborate, there would be many much more serious sources around for each and every point mentioned. I strongly suggest to either completely remove the "Kurdwatch" part or at least cook it down to one sentence. Suggestion for cooking down:
This would also serve the aim to correct the overall balance of the article, which gives absurd undue weight to this one issue. And it would serve the aim of embarrassing Wikipedia less by less presenting this "internet portal" as an alleged quotable source. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 17:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I kindly ask Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) to stop vandalizing the "Self-administration within Kobanî Canton" section by deleting highly relevant, informative and well-sourced content without any discernable reason or explanation. -- 2A1ZA ( talk) 10:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Since both Kurds and Turkmen are significant minorities in Tell Abyad, consisting of 10-30% and 15% of the town's population, respectively, [10] [11] Tell Abyad would be listed both as a Kurdish community and a Turkmen community in Syria. Please don't remove either category without a clear consensus. Editor abcdef ( talk) 02:25, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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عمرو بن كلثوم, my recent edit in the SCW section was made to avoid redirects and repetition, link relevant articles, arrange the information in a logical sequence, introduce a more NPOV, and improve the English. Why are you reverting me?
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The Kurds formally renamed Tal Abyad with a Kurdish name, "Gire Spi", and proclaim its new identity in signs throughout the town — written in the Latin script used by Turkish Kurds but not readily understood by Syrian Kurds or Arabs. They have also unilaterally detached it from the existing Syrian province of Raqqa and made it a part of their newly formed autonomous enclave, carved from areas traditionally inhabited by Kurds but steadily encroaching also on territories that were historically Arab.
I hope in the future you work collaboratively with other editors, and do not insist on unilateral unjustified content removal. You are welcome to do the other Engish/sequence edits without content removal. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 02:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
City is under control of Turkish armed forces and Free Syrian Army. Officialy Turkish,FSA and EVEN KURDISH SOURCES call city Tell abyad. It is weird as changing name of New York to New amsterdam. Tell Abyad is ruled by FSA and even Kurdish newspapers call city Tell Abyad. Police station to goverment buildings inside also Tell Abyad. It is weird calling somewhere not even in control not officialy to gri spi. Name can stay but official and main name is Tell Abyad. Here recent news about city 1) https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/095a0270-9e50-4025-9232-cd516a79e35c 2) https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/06/turkey-uscrif-syria-maenza-kurds-yazidis-christians-religion.html 3) https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkish-red-crescent-delivers-ramadan-aid-in-n-syria/1819011 4) https://www.trthaber.com/haber/dunya/tel-abyadin-guvenligi-turkiyenin-egittigi-yerel-polislere-emanet-453889.html 5) https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/turkiye/tel-abyad-nufus-mudurlugu-hizmete-girdi-/1857827 6) https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/dunya/tel-abyadda-smo-aracina-bombali-saldiri/1871349 7) https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/turkiye/tel-abyad-ve-rasulaynda-yillar-sonra-huzurlu-bayram-sevinci-/1852157 8) https://www.ahaber.com.tr/video/yasam-videolari/tel-abyada-iki-turk-bayragi-asildi HERE IS OFFICIAL POLICE STATION = https://iasbh.tmgrup.com.tr/67c29c/752/395/0/75/1108/658?u=https://isbh.tmgrup.com.tr/sbh/2019/12/04/turkiyenin-egittigi-polisler-devrede-1575489605182.jpeg
Road Signs: https://ahvalnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/is_article_featured_top_1200x550/public/2020-01/20191025133235afpp--afp_1lq4gt.h.jpg?h=7fe56d7b&itok=K0xI94Uc Local court : https://www.bik.gov.tr/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Tel-Abyad%C4%B1n-g%C3%BCvenli%C4%9Fi-T%C3%BCrkiyenin-e%C4%9Fitti%C4%9Fi-askeri-polislere-emanet-16.jpg Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 20:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I support Amr and this should not be deleted. Washington Post is a reliable source wich is not blacklisted in wikipedia. Shadow4dark ( talk) 02:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, what is your question? 18:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
I've requested a Dispute resolution at the DRN, but I've not included all the involved ones in the discussion. I thought I mention/bother the ones active (more than 1 edit) in the discussion. But of course all can join and add their name. Maybe this brings in some movement in the DRN since our dispute hasn't been edited by a volunteer for 7 days. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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There are included for now two quotes in dispute. The WaPo quote and the Balanche quote. While it is normal that an article sometimes isn't accurate in the facts represented, it is questionable if a quote representing a contradiction to various phrases in the article, should be included. If we find something useful in the WaPo and Balanche article, great, but then we could just use it a source for the events that are represented in the majority of the sources and not just this one WaPo or Balanche source. But include a quote where unilaterally detached is included is just a POV and not an actual fact, as the Tell Abyad wasn't part of the "existing" Syrian Raqqa Governorate anymore, and this is shown in numerous articles about the Raqqa Offensive or the Tabqa Offensive to name just two. And calling Balanche a Syrian Civil War "expert" who ignores the existence of the Tell Abyad Canton and the Tell Abyad Civil council is utterly weird, let alone quote him of such findings. It is not fair for the Tell Abyad article nor for Balanche. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 18:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Anadolu Agency is formed even beginning of Turkish Republic ( April 6, 1920; 100+ years ago) With this logic we should never mention ANF, kurdistan24 or Rudaw even The Washington Times or The Guardian on articles.. Again, we see a method that the Kurdish diaspora found to write articles by their own heads now ridiculously not even counting sources... If you want we can use only PKK sources that claiming everyday killing 20+ soldiers btw not even injured reported.. I invite you to be logical You just lowering yourself into a funny situation sir.. Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 19:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Sorry but you just seeking new excuses. And you even ignore warning from a admin [4] Shadow4dark ( talk) 18:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone still question the inclusionnof the Kurdwatch quote? Other wise I'd remove it. The KurdWatch quote is really just of a minor institution, and sincerely, I have not yet found a quote of any newspaper, also not of important ones, on Wikipedia. I might be wrong, though. But prove me otherwise Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 20:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
You added it and it is there in the Kurds in Syria article, although he is the only one claiming 16% Kurds in Syria, while all other refernces put thenumber under 10%. This is to show you that I am not a POV-pusher like you. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 17:30, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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@ Paradise Chronicle:, you did not like the Talk here and all the facts I presented to you supporting the WaPost quote. You opened the request at DRN, and then you didn't like the suggestion of the volunteer there (user Nightenbelle) that a quote is a quote and you can't change it, and didn't like the extra evidence we presented there. You have decided to resume your edit war and remove not only the one quote in dispute but the two quotes that go against your POV, in addition to the Kurdwatch story that I don't care about. I will give you one hour to revert yourself before I report you. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 17:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@ EdJohnston: You have followed this article for a bit in the near past, and might have noticed the DRN user Paradise Chronicle opened. This user has not liked the suggestion of volunteer user Nightenbelle, and decided to remove the SOURCED Washington Post material and Washington Institute material. Thanks for looking into this, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 20:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
So now this is your new pretext to push your POV!? OK, I'll bear with you. Per WP:Quotes: "Recommended use: In some instances, quotations are preferred to text. For example:
I guess one or both criteria above are relevant to the dispute we are talking about here. You deemed the quotations as long (based on your opinion), which is another new pretext, since in the past you were only complaining about the word "unilateral" in the Wa Post quote. However, WP:Quotes calls for "Long quotations may be hidden in the reference as a WP:FOOTNOTE to facilitate verification by other editors without sacrificing readability", which you didn't bother to suggest or do instead of entirely removing the quotes. BTW, your claim that this is a cultural dispute is simply not true, it is clearly a political dispute (hence the Syrian Civil War sanctions), and both quotes talk clearly about the political situation. Again, I invite an Admin to look into this. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 23:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Paradise Chronicle: You just removed the two quotes that were the subject of our discussion in July and a RFC. We had agreed to take out the Kurdwatch quote as a compromise, but you are now coming back and removing the same quotes for which removal you were blocked last time. I kindly ask that you revert you removal before I report that. Thanks, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 16:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 13:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Cengizsogutlu, About what? That Amr ignores the discussion at the talk page? No answer to WP:UNDUE, no answer to the term unilaterally since May 2020. No answer also to the relevance of the authors of the quotes. Amr called Balanche an opinion in Kurds in Syria, why is he an expert here? And what about a Liz Sly? What is here unique connection to Tell Abyad which is worth of one of two quotes in the article? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 14:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Does anyone oppose the removal of the two quotes of Liz Sly and Fabrice Balanche on other grounds as that they are sourced with high quality sources? I have brought numerous arguments up of which several were undressed since May 2020 when the dispute began. Two of the editors who wanted to include the quotes have since been topic banned on Kurds and Kurdistan On the First Quote of Liz Sly of The Washington Post:
Number 1: Tell Abyad was liberated from ISIL and therefore it could not possibly have been "unilaterally" detached from the Raqqa Governorate by "the Kurds". The Raqqa Governorate (Called Raqqa Wilaya by ISIL) was still Administered by ISIL in large parts until late 2016, while Raqqa itself only fell in October 2017.
Number 2: Tell Abyad was not "formally" renamed into a Kurdish name. The new Administration just allowed the Kurdish name as well. The SDF itself levied a Military council of Tell Abyad in June 2019 well ahead of the capture of Tell Abyad through the Turkish lead forces.
Number 3: Latin and Arab script were both known also before the capture of Tell Abyad by the YPG as it is shown in images of Syrian traffic signs in Wikipedia Commons.
Number 4 Then Liz Sly is also not a prominent figure from Tell Abyad
I agree on that they were accused of Kurdifying the city, but to present several inaccuracies in the prominent fashion of a Quote is not NPOV.
On the second quote: WINEP is not a reliable source according to WP:RS archive No.48
Then the Tell Abyad Canton was established in 2015 existed until it was captured during the Turkish invasion into North and East Syria and therefore it couldn't be a part of Kobane Canton as claimed by Fabrice Balanche. Then Tell Abyad also had a culturally mixed civil council which included several ethnicities. That an author ignores such info and then his text is presented in a prominent fashion of a quote is not NPOV or contrary to MOS:QUOTEPOV and MOS:SCAREQUOTES.
Any suggestions how to present such info other than I did it before? Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 06:00, 24 February 2021 (UTC)