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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 16:14, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved after a small screw-up. 3-1 in support of original proposal, it isn't as much as I'd have liked but the technical considerations and seemingly never-before-encountered issue of double disambiguation by year of TV series and season number means there isn't really consensus to apply. Andrewa is right that more discussion is needed about cases like these, but that is probably best handled at an RFC rather than in one particular RM. That way, a broader audience of Wikipedians will be able to formulate a guideline for this kind of thing. Best regards, ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
– Double-parenthetical disambiguation is awkward here. {{
Italic title}} and the like look for the last parenthetical and behave as if everything before that, including the first parenthetical, is part of the actual title of the subject, rather than a parenthetical disambiguator. Then you need to override that with |italic_title=no
in the infobox and resort to direct use of {{DISPLAYTITLE}}
. –
wbm1058 (
talk) 15:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
Dreamy Jazz 🎷
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my contributions 22:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting.
SITH
(talk) 17:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
multiple shows of the same name, include the disambiguation, similar to the above for TV series in the season description(also WP:CREEP, essay, zero weight, and also idiotic). As long as disambiguation by year happens a lot, this isn't an edge case, but just a normal case. My Big Brother (Australian season 6) example is used to show how disambiguation between seasons with extended disambiguation is done, as I'm pretty sure you know. Regarding then example, there are numerous other Big Brother such as Big Brother (German season 8) and Big Brother (Finnish season 4) - all disambiguated without the need for the double parentheses. If you think this proposal for the year one is better, then the seasons could also benefit from it and become Big Brother (German TV series, season 8) and Big Brother (Finnish TV series, season 4). Alternatively, one can realize that "season" is actually not a qualifier here, but in fact, actually the topic of the article and the articles could be "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) season 1". Both options are better than the current proposal. -- Gonnym ( talk) 18:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
– An argument could be made that if there is "no consensus" then the fallback status quo would be the original title since the two editors who have previously moved this are both blocked. wbm1058 ( talk) 18:02, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Under the
Wikipedia:Article titles § Disambiguation policy, this is a case of 5: Combinations of the above: exceptional, in most cases to be avoided per
WP:CONCISE
The policy cites one Example: "#2 comma-separated" + "#3 parenthetical"
So while there is no example citing "#3 parenthetical" + "#3 parenthetical"
, I suppose it is not prohibited, although as I pointed out in my request (at the top), you have to jump through technical hoops to support it.
Search for titles following this "parenthetical + parenthetical" convention finds 61 pages, and excluding the 16 "redirect from" pages, we have the following 45 pages:
Looking at the 16 "redirect from" pages in the above search results, I found an outlier:
If this followed the conventions of the above, it would be:
Hmm...
@ Gonnym, IJBall, Rreagan007, J 1982, and Andrewa: please read the page move history and discussion sections I added above after StraussInTheHouse relisted this. I'd almost forgotten about this request I submitted a couple weeks ago, and I resorted to searching for my ID in Wikipedia:Requested moves/Article alerts to find it (I was thinking it would have closed by now). While I prefer using a comma to separate the series from the season, I'm open to the compromise which omits the comma, i.e. the Mission: Impossible solution, if that will help achieve consensus. Perhaps expanding this to include The Twilight Zone, Dragnet and Dallas will help to get a less WP:CONLIMITED consensus. On the other hand, after thinking about the work involved to move these pages to implement my requested move, I'm thinking it may actually be less time-consuming to make the necessary DISPLAYTITLE fixes, and document the need to do that for this particular permutation of the naming conventions. In any event, I think it's best that we settle this matter now, and update WP:NCTV to specifically address this, because as Hollywood runs out of new ideas and keeps resurrecting more old ideas, this issue can only get bigger in the future. Best to settle on a standard now, rather than later when we might need a bot to implement it! – wbm1058 ( talk) 22:36, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
This is worth some time and work to get consensus. As observed above, it affects other articles and the number of these is likely to increase owing to the way marketing is developing following ongoing technology and viewing changes.
I imagine the relevant WikiProject(s) are using the appropriate alerts to watch such discussions, but it might be worth posting to the WikiProject talk page{s) even so. Andrewa ( talk) 19:34, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to go five levels deep! But Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2017#RfC: UK railway station disambiguation (closed 14 Dec 2017) definitely deserves a look if this is to set any sort of precedent (as I think it should... the issue won't go away and affects more articles than just TV shows, and affects infobox templates and other coding, see #Technical issues below).
Perhaps an RfC on the more general topic of multiple disambiguation is indicated? Andrewa ( talk) 18:34, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I see four possible issues, two of them uncontroversial, two to be decided.
Comments? Andrewa ( talk) 21:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
On the third issue, which I have labelled controversial but probably not problematical, I note that the article on the series is at Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series), and that there's no current move proposal on its talk page. So the simple answer would be, stay with that disambiguator, 2003 TV series, as is proposed in this RM of course. Otherwise, perhaps we should pause this RM while we raise one to discuss the title of this other article. Andrewa ( talk) 06:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
It is claimed above that the closer should bear in mind technical issues caused by the current situation, and raised by the nominator. The particular issue raised by nom was behaviour of a template in identifying the base name; This obviously has other possible solutions, for example maybe the template (and others of similar coding) misbehaves in other situations too, and should be fixed.
It's not obvious to me where these issues are discussed above, the consensus seems to be more personal opinions of what looks best, so to make this a bit easier for the closer, let us discuss the technical issues here. Andrewa ( talk) 18:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 16:14, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved after a small screw-up. 3-1 in support of original proposal, it isn't as much as I'd have liked but the technical considerations and seemingly never-before-encountered issue of double disambiguation by year of TV series and season number means there isn't really consensus to apply. Andrewa is right that more discussion is needed about cases like these, but that is probably best handled at an RFC rather than in one particular RM. That way, a broader audience of Wikipedians will be able to formulate a guideline for this kind of thing. Best regards, ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
– Double-parenthetical disambiguation is awkward here. {{
Italic title}} and the like look for the last parenthetical and behave as if everything before that, including the first parenthetical, is part of the actual title of the subject, rather than a parenthetical disambiguator. Then you need to override that with |italic_title=no
in the infobox and resort to direct use of {{DISPLAYTITLE}}
. –
wbm1058 (
talk) 15:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
Dreamy Jazz 🎷
talk to me |
my contributions 22:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting.
SITH
(talk) 17:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
multiple shows of the same name, include the disambiguation, similar to the above for TV series in the season description(also WP:CREEP, essay, zero weight, and also idiotic). As long as disambiguation by year happens a lot, this isn't an edge case, but just a normal case. My Big Brother (Australian season 6) example is used to show how disambiguation between seasons with extended disambiguation is done, as I'm pretty sure you know. Regarding then example, there are numerous other Big Brother such as Big Brother (German season 8) and Big Brother (Finnish season 4) - all disambiguated without the need for the double parentheses. If you think this proposal for the year one is better, then the seasons could also benefit from it and become Big Brother (German TV series, season 8) and Big Brother (Finnish TV series, season 4). Alternatively, one can realize that "season" is actually not a qualifier here, but in fact, actually the topic of the article and the articles could be "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) season 1". Both options are better than the current proposal. -- Gonnym ( talk) 18:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
– An argument could be made that if there is "no consensus" then the fallback status quo would be the original title since the two editors who have previously moved this are both blocked. wbm1058 ( talk) 18:02, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Under the
Wikipedia:Article titles § Disambiguation policy, this is a case of 5: Combinations of the above: exceptional, in most cases to be avoided per
WP:CONCISE
The policy cites one Example: "#2 comma-separated" + "#3 parenthetical"
So while there is no example citing "#3 parenthetical" + "#3 parenthetical"
, I suppose it is not prohibited, although as I pointed out in my request (at the top), you have to jump through technical hoops to support it.
Search for titles following this "parenthetical + parenthetical" convention finds 61 pages, and excluding the 16 "redirect from" pages, we have the following 45 pages:
Looking at the 16 "redirect from" pages in the above search results, I found an outlier:
If this followed the conventions of the above, it would be:
Hmm...
@ Gonnym, IJBall, Rreagan007, J 1982, and Andrewa: please read the page move history and discussion sections I added above after StraussInTheHouse relisted this. I'd almost forgotten about this request I submitted a couple weeks ago, and I resorted to searching for my ID in Wikipedia:Requested moves/Article alerts to find it (I was thinking it would have closed by now). While I prefer using a comma to separate the series from the season, I'm open to the compromise which omits the comma, i.e. the Mission: Impossible solution, if that will help achieve consensus. Perhaps expanding this to include The Twilight Zone, Dragnet and Dallas will help to get a less WP:CONLIMITED consensus. On the other hand, after thinking about the work involved to move these pages to implement my requested move, I'm thinking it may actually be less time-consuming to make the necessary DISPLAYTITLE fixes, and document the need to do that for this particular permutation of the naming conventions. In any event, I think it's best that we settle this matter now, and update WP:NCTV to specifically address this, because as Hollywood runs out of new ideas and keeps resurrecting more old ideas, this issue can only get bigger in the future. Best to settle on a standard now, rather than later when we might need a bot to implement it! – wbm1058 ( talk) 22:36, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
This is worth some time and work to get consensus. As observed above, it affects other articles and the number of these is likely to increase owing to the way marketing is developing following ongoing technology and viewing changes.
I imagine the relevant WikiProject(s) are using the appropriate alerts to watch such discussions, but it might be worth posting to the WikiProject talk page{s) even so. Andrewa ( talk) 19:34, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to go five levels deep! But Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2017#RfC: UK railway station disambiguation (closed 14 Dec 2017) definitely deserves a look if this is to set any sort of precedent (as I think it should... the issue won't go away and affects more articles than just TV shows, and affects infobox templates and other coding, see #Technical issues below).
Perhaps an RfC on the more general topic of multiple disambiguation is indicated? Andrewa ( talk) 18:34, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I see four possible issues, two of them uncontroversial, two to be decided.
Comments? Andrewa ( talk) 21:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
On the third issue, which I have labelled controversial but probably not problematical, I note that the article on the series is at Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series), and that there's no current move proposal on its talk page. So the simple answer would be, stay with that disambiguator, 2003 TV series, as is proposed in this RM of course. Otherwise, perhaps we should pause this RM while we raise one to discuss the title of this other article. Andrewa ( talk) 06:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
It is claimed above that the closer should bear in mind technical issues caused by the current situation, and raised by the nominator. The particular issue raised by nom was behaviour of a template in identifying the base name; This obviously has other possible solutions, for example maybe the template (and others of similar coding) misbehaves in other situations too, and should be fixed.
It's not obvious to me where these issues are discussed above, the consensus seems to be more personal opinions of what looks best, so to make this a bit easier for the closer, let us discuss the technical issues here. Andrewa ( talk) 18:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)