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Although both the VFL records and the World War II records show his birth date as 4 July 1904, his birth certificate has 4 June 1904.
Given that he would not have been required to produce any physical, documentary confirmatory evidence of his birth date for either the VFL (who, probably, had done little else than duplicate a Tasmanian entry in his clearance documents) or the A.I.F. (who would have only been concerned whether he was over-age or under-age for enlistment, and had observed directly that he was neither), there is no reason to dispute the accuracy of his birth certificate; consequently, I have corrected his birth date in the article. Lindsay658 ( talk) 01:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, despite the VFL listing, Edward Richard Terry was never known as "Ed Terry"; he was always known as "Ted Terry". Lindsay658 ( talk) 01:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I am rather wary of the accuracy of the possible sources and, in particular, the veracity of the informants, that stand behind the article in the Burnie Advocate of Friday, 5 November 1954, and its account of Terry's exceptional sporting career. There is a section within that article which I have been unable to make coherent sense of; and, in particular, I have been unable to find any supporting information from any of my available sources.
The questionable section of the article, near the end of the piece, reads as follows:
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Also, on the basis that my research has clearly and unequivocally shown that the assertions made in the fourth and fifth paragraphs are historically wrong, I have a lot of reservations about the (up to this time totally unsupported and entirely unsubstantiated) assertions that appear in the second and third paragraphs; and, as a consequence, have not included them in the article.
On the same theme . . . there is no record of Terry ever playing against Judkins in Victoria or in Tasmania, in a practice match, in an exhibition match, or in a premiership match, regardless of whether it was Seniors or Reserve Grade; and, moreover, as far as I can determine -- regardless of whether Judkins was at Northcote or Richmond -- he never ever played against a team that fielded Terry as a player (i.e., South Melbourne, St Kilda, Prahran, or any team anywhere in Tasmania). Further, in relation to the assertion that Terry tied for Prahran's best-and-fairest award with another Tasmanian ex-St KIlda player, George Lucas, [1], there is no record of Terry ever winning a best-and-fairest award whilst he was in Victoria. It seems that the Burnie Advocate's reporter's informant, an enthusiastic Brother Edward Dominic Joyce, who had been associated with St Virgil's College since 1916 (in its fifth year of operation) and who, apparently, was "one of the best known teachers and sports-masters in Tasmania", had a somewhat imperfect memory.
Notwithstanding this, however, it is also very clear that this amazingly talented schoolboy athlete was also a very talented footballer as an adult; and, therefore, if these otherwise ambiguous items can be confirmed, accurately described, and fixed against real dates, with supporting evidence, it is essential that they be included. Lindsay658 ( talk) 04:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
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Although both the VFL records and the World War II records show his birth date as 4 July 1904, his birth certificate has 4 June 1904.
Given that he would not have been required to produce any physical, documentary confirmatory evidence of his birth date for either the VFL (who, probably, had done little else than duplicate a Tasmanian entry in his clearance documents) or the A.I.F. (who would have only been concerned whether he was over-age or under-age for enlistment, and had observed directly that he was neither), there is no reason to dispute the accuracy of his birth certificate; consequently, I have corrected his birth date in the article. Lindsay658 ( talk) 01:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, despite the VFL listing, Edward Richard Terry was never known as "Ed Terry"; he was always known as "Ted Terry". Lindsay658 ( talk) 01:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I am rather wary of the accuracy of the possible sources and, in particular, the veracity of the informants, that stand behind the article in the Burnie Advocate of Friday, 5 November 1954, and its account of Terry's exceptional sporting career. There is a section within that article which I have been unable to make coherent sense of; and, in particular, I have been unable to find any supporting information from any of my available sources.
The questionable section of the article, near the end of the piece, reads as follows:
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Also, on the basis that my research has clearly and unequivocally shown that the assertions made in the fourth and fifth paragraphs are historically wrong, I have a lot of reservations about the (up to this time totally unsupported and entirely unsubstantiated) assertions that appear in the second and third paragraphs; and, as a consequence, have not included them in the article.
On the same theme . . . there is no record of Terry ever playing against Judkins in Victoria or in Tasmania, in a practice match, in an exhibition match, or in a premiership match, regardless of whether it was Seniors or Reserve Grade; and, moreover, as far as I can determine -- regardless of whether Judkins was at Northcote or Richmond -- he never ever played against a team that fielded Terry as a player (i.e., South Melbourne, St Kilda, Prahran, or any team anywhere in Tasmania). Further, in relation to the assertion that Terry tied for Prahran's best-and-fairest award with another Tasmanian ex-St KIlda player, George Lucas, [1], there is no record of Terry ever winning a best-and-fairest award whilst he was in Victoria. It seems that the Burnie Advocate's reporter's informant, an enthusiastic Brother Edward Dominic Joyce, who had been associated with St Virgil's College since 1916 (in its fifth year of operation) and who, apparently, was "one of the best known teachers and sports-masters in Tasmania", had a somewhat imperfect memory.
Notwithstanding this, however, it is also very clear that this amazingly talented schoolboy athlete was also a very talented footballer as an adult; and, therefore, if these otherwise ambiguous items can be confirmed, accurately described, and fixed against real dates, with supporting evidence, it is essential that they be included. Lindsay658 ( talk) 04:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)