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Being a firm supporter of the scheme, I'm worried this article will appear like marketing spiel. If anyone can find articles or references from people opposed to the scheme I would be most appreciative as I have failed miserably so far. The closest I can find is : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4037453.stm but the message isn't clear. I know there are critics out there somewhere...
letter to the guardian http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,,1308574,00.html Pluke 10:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Here is a critical article: Smart, S., Hutchings, M., Maylor, U., Mendick, H. & Menter, I. (2009). Processes of middle-class reproduction in a graduate employment scheme. Journal of Education and Work, 22(1): 35-53. (19 pages, ISSN: 1363-9080) Essentially this argues that the scheme reproduces social class inequalities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.223.103.59 ( talk) 15:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I've read through this article several times and spent a fair amount of time reading up on Teach First. Although there is nothing especially inaccurate with the article, I don't think it quite gets to the heart of what this organisation is about. Unfortunately the content does largely read like a PR piece directed at would-be participants. I'm also pretty sure that a lot of the content comes from conflict of interest editing back in September 2012, but I don't think it's worth going down that route. There is also very little in-line referencing. I'm going to try and rewrite a lot of this article. Seaweed ( talk) 10:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
From what I understand Teach first has charitable status, and does not receive payment per placement of any kind. "Social Enterprise" as a descriptor to me does not adequately describe teach first, and the charitable status in regards to limited payment of interviewee costs and exception under FOI seems somewhat important. Lacunae ( talk) 21:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I have deleted the following from the criticism section:
Teach First also place success at the assessment centre day on the ability to provide Eye contact, [1] a trait which members of the Autistic community struggle with. [2]
It is unsourced original research. Neither of the articles it references support the argument that requiring eye contact is somehow prejudical. Autism spectrum conditions are a serious issue but I fail to see how a teacher that cannot make eye contact will of any use whatsoever. It is well within an employers rights to ensure that a potential employee is capable of doing the job in question. It's an unsourced claim that uses two semi-relevant references to pass itself off as legitimate and unless someone has a strong argument for re-instating it it doesn't belong in the article.
Geolocation data from IP2Location (Product: DB4) IP Address Country Region City ISP 89.248.27.73 United Kingdom England London Teach First - More London
if this information is accurate, please read /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations#Am_I_allowed_to_edit_articles_about_myself_or_my_organization.3F
Reverted edits 14 July 2014 from this IP WP:BFAQ#EDIT, some of the information might be useful, but such a significant change from an ip associated with the charity should be worked out on the talk page first I think, not to mention I think some of the material was irrelevant and/or marketing material. Lacunae ( talk) 15:34, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Lacunae ( talk) 08:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
My name is Jeremiah Mahadevan and I work with the Teach First communications team. This page has seen a number of past edits carried out by Teach First employees without express authorisation from the charity; these arose out of a lack of understanding of Wikipedia's guidelines and conflict of interest policy - apologies for this, it won't happen again. We've decided to take a more active role in informing the content of this page and any other pages that may be related to Teach First, and so have registered an account expressly for that purpose. I will be working on a list of suggested edits to the page, submitting more sources, clarifying sections that currently read poorly and correcting a number of errors. Once this is done I'll post it here on the talk page. Before doing this, I thought it would be best to give advance notice of it, and also to offer our assistance with any queries editors might have about Teach First. We'd like to follow the right protocol this time, so please do let me know if we're still falling foul of it in any way. TeachFirstComms ( talk) 16:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I've readded material removed by user Stesmo, as I think the demand for 3rd party sourcing for the information provided was unnessesary, as 1, unlikely to exist and 2, the information is mostly verifiable on the Teach First site. Lacunae ( talk) 19:08, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to request feedback from Teach First over any factual errors. Lacunae ( talk) 20:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Being a firm supporter of the scheme, I'm worried this article will appear like marketing spiel. If anyone can find articles or references from people opposed to the scheme I would be most appreciative as I have failed miserably so far. The closest I can find is : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4037453.stm but the message isn't clear. I know there are critics out there somewhere...
letter to the guardian http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,,1308574,00.html Pluke 10:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Here is a critical article: Smart, S., Hutchings, M., Maylor, U., Mendick, H. & Menter, I. (2009). Processes of middle-class reproduction in a graduate employment scheme. Journal of Education and Work, 22(1): 35-53. (19 pages, ISSN: 1363-9080) Essentially this argues that the scheme reproduces social class inequalities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.223.103.59 ( talk) 15:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I've read through this article several times and spent a fair amount of time reading up on Teach First. Although there is nothing especially inaccurate with the article, I don't think it quite gets to the heart of what this organisation is about. Unfortunately the content does largely read like a PR piece directed at would-be participants. I'm also pretty sure that a lot of the content comes from conflict of interest editing back in September 2012, but I don't think it's worth going down that route. There is also very little in-line referencing. I'm going to try and rewrite a lot of this article. Seaweed ( talk) 10:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
From what I understand Teach first has charitable status, and does not receive payment per placement of any kind. "Social Enterprise" as a descriptor to me does not adequately describe teach first, and the charitable status in regards to limited payment of interviewee costs and exception under FOI seems somewhat important. Lacunae ( talk) 21:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I have deleted the following from the criticism section:
Teach First also place success at the assessment centre day on the ability to provide Eye contact, [1] a trait which members of the Autistic community struggle with. [2]
It is unsourced original research. Neither of the articles it references support the argument that requiring eye contact is somehow prejudical. Autism spectrum conditions are a serious issue but I fail to see how a teacher that cannot make eye contact will of any use whatsoever. It is well within an employers rights to ensure that a potential employee is capable of doing the job in question. It's an unsourced claim that uses two semi-relevant references to pass itself off as legitimate and unless someone has a strong argument for re-instating it it doesn't belong in the article.
Geolocation data from IP2Location (Product: DB4) IP Address Country Region City ISP 89.248.27.73 United Kingdom England London Teach First - More London
if this information is accurate, please read /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations#Am_I_allowed_to_edit_articles_about_myself_or_my_organization.3F
Reverted edits 14 July 2014 from this IP WP:BFAQ#EDIT, some of the information might be useful, but such a significant change from an ip associated with the charity should be worked out on the talk page first I think, not to mention I think some of the material was irrelevant and/or marketing material. Lacunae ( talk) 15:34, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Lacunae ( talk) 08:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
My name is Jeremiah Mahadevan and I work with the Teach First communications team. This page has seen a number of past edits carried out by Teach First employees without express authorisation from the charity; these arose out of a lack of understanding of Wikipedia's guidelines and conflict of interest policy - apologies for this, it won't happen again. We've decided to take a more active role in informing the content of this page and any other pages that may be related to Teach First, and so have registered an account expressly for that purpose. I will be working on a list of suggested edits to the page, submitting more sources, clarifying sections that currently read poorly and correcting a number of errors. Once this is done I'll post it here on the talk page. Before doing this, I thought it would be best to give advance notice of it, and also to offer our assistance with any queries editors might have about Teach First. We'd like to follow the right protocol this time, so please do let me know if we're still falling foul of it in any way. TeachFirstComms ( talk) 16:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I've readded material removed by user Stesmo, as I think the demand for 3rd party sourcing for the information provided was unnessesary, as 1, unlikely to exist and 2, the information is mostly verifiable on the Teach First site. Lacunae ( talk) 19:08, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to request feedback from Teach First over any factual errors. Lacunae ( talk) 20:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |