I removed the ethnic groups table on the Tbilisi page because the table appears to have been a part of a larger attempt to portray the city as having "non-Georgian" historic roots (or by its population demographics at least...) The census figures provide data from the 19th century onwards, a period which was marked by the Russian annexation of Georgia and following the destruction of Tbilisi in 1795 by the Persians. The census is trying to portray Tbilisi as a town that had a very small Georgian population (minority) a couple of centuries ago, with that minority somehow gaining majority status during the "Soviet" Era. An analogous claim has been voiced over the years by the Abkhaz Separatists backed by Russia in connection with Abkhazia and its respective population, trying again to portray that region of Georgia as "not Georgian." In the case of Tbilisi, the census simply ignores or blurs the fact that the Russian annexation of Georgia and the following period of migration of other ethnic groups which was endorsed by the Russian Empire, altered the demographics of the city considerably in the 19th century. In addition, the census does not incorporate older, Georgian sources (17th century and earlier) about the population of the city which depict a completely different demographic picture. The table in question, again provides a publication that was published in Moscow ("Old Tbilisi"), in Russian, as its source. These claims which try to illustrate the "non-Georgian" roots and background of Tbilisi, that are in essence, quite similar to the claims and portrayal of Abkhazia as "not Georgian" and somehow becoming "Georgianized" in the 20th century seem to be stemming from the same propagandistic roots. Therefore, politicisized tables that are pushing particular interests of "certain groups" that are incorporated into Wikipedia, which is a neutral encyclopedia, should not be included within its articles... D.Papuashvili ( talk) 16:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, I'll bring data from before 19 cent period. Anyway, you had no right to do this only according on your relation to this table. And what you wrote - you are trying to politize demographics - which is unacceptable. I call all Wikipedia users to research this case - has or not this Wiki user right to remove and politize demographics history —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.241.165.148 ( talk) 08:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
the 1897 All-Russian census was the first Imperial survey which aimed to interview every household head and relied upon solicited interview data rather than the lists compiled by local authorities.
the 1897 all-Russian imperial census did not contain a question on nationality, nationality was attributed to populations often through...local analysis of data on mother tongue, social estate and occupation.
[1] Anderson, David. The 1926/27 Soviet Polar Census Expeditions. 2001, p.29.
So I guess if you were a merchant or a tax collector,stereotypical Armenian professions in Georgia, you would probably count as an Armenian as well. To summarize, the data before 1897 came on those Russian websites from god knows where, and the first "real" census is not itself in a much better shape.-- Tremer11 ( talk) 05:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
I removed the ethnic groups table on the Tbilisi page because the table appears to have been a part of a larger attempt to portray the city as having "non-Georgian" historic roots (or by its population demographics at least...) The census figures provide data from the 19th century onwards, a period which was marked by the Russian annexation of Georgia and following the destruction of Tbilisi in 1795 by the Persians. The census is trying to portray Tbilisi as a town that had a very small Georgian population (minority) a couple of centuries ago, with that minority somehow gaining majority status during the "Soviet" Era. An analogous claim has been voiced over the years by the Abkhaz Separatists backed by Russia in connection with Abkhazia and its respective population, trying again to portray that region of Georgia as "not Georgian." In the case of Tbilisi, the census simply ignores or blurs the fact that the Russian annexation of Georgia and the following period of migration of other ethnic groups which was endorsed by the Russian Empire, altered the demographics of the city considerably in the 19th century. In addition, the census does not incorporate older, Georgian sources (17th century and earlier) about the population of the city which depict a completely different demographic picture. The table in question, again provides a publication that was published in Moscow ("Old Tbilisi"), in Russian, as its source. These claims which try to illustrate the "non-Georgian" roots and background of Tbilisi, that are in essence, quite similar to the claims and portrayal of Abkhazia as "not Georgian" and somehow becoming "Georgianized" in the 20th century seem to be stemming from the same propagandistic roots. Therefore, politicisized tables that are pushing particular interests of "certain groups" that are incorporated into Wikipedia, which is a neutral encyclopedia, should not be included within its articles... D.Papuashvili ( talk) 16:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, I'll bring data from before 19 cent period. Anyway, you had no right to do this only according on your relation to this table. And what you wrote - you are trying to politize demographics - which is unacceptable. I call all Wikipedia users to research this case - has or not this Wiki user right to remove and politize demographics history —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.241.165.148 ( talk) 08:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
the 1897 All-Russian census was the first Imperial survey which aimed to interview every household head and relied upon solicited interview data rather than the lists compiled by local authorities.
the 1897 all-Russian imperial census did not contain a question on nationality, nationality was attributed to populations often through...local analysis of data on mother tongue, social estate and occupation.
[1] Anderson, David. The 1926/27 Soviet Polar Census Expeditions. 2001, p.29.
So I guess if you were a merchant or a tax collector,stereotypical Armenian professions in Georgia, you would probably count as an Armenian as well. To summarize, the data before 1897 came on those Russian websites from god knows where, and the first "real" census is not itself in a much better shape.-- Tremer11 ( talk) 05:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)