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This article does not mention the President's position as the Deputy Chief of Akritas, nor his involvement in the development or attempted execution of the Akritas Plan. Given the consequences that this has had on the island ever since, it seems relevant. I will leave it to your judgement.
Hi Valentinian, you removed my addition to the article concerning Greek Cypriot views on His Excellency President Papadopoulos, unless you give reason here I will restore it within 24 Hours.-- GreekWarrior 00:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely pathetic, could you provide substantiation for your comment that President Papapdopoulos said "The best Turk is a dead Turk"?
No, you can't. Remove it immediately.
I have never read anything however about Papadopoulos reaching out to the Turkish Cypriots as
Abraham Lincoln did when the USA was split. Has he ever referred to the Turkish Cypriots as "fellow countrymen?", offering "Malice to none, charity for all?" or pledging not to change the 1960 constitution should a reconciliation take place? It was Makarios' intention to change the constitution to the detriment of the Turkish Cypriots that started the whole mess in 1963.
I look at that man and all I see is a Greek. not a Cypriot. As long as he simply demands his government controlling the whole island and not making clear any intentions that can assauge Turkish Cypriot fears, then the
partition will prevail. --
Expatkiwi 16:35 19 September 2005.
Hi Greek Warrior, very well said above, just one note with regards to the president's page... unless I missed it you did not mention "Enosis Kentrou", the party he formed in the 80's which didn't do too well but factual and worth mentioning as political life info. Regards, Marios Polycarpou.
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First of all, I'm not Greek, I'm Cypriot. If you want to qualify that with "Greek Cypriot", fine. But I try my best to avoid any POV statements.
Secondly, I could argue that a simple "TRNC" (in quotes) communicates the same meaning as the rather more complicated "the de facto (but not de jure) state that is the TRNC". Someone who doesn't know what the terms "de facto" and "de jure" mean (and I'm sure there's many people that don't, especially when used in this context) would have to look them up. In addition, the general definition of de facto at the top of the page suggests that it means something that's generally accepted (even if it's not legally true), which is certainly not the case here. Sometimes we need to consider brevity and ease of comprehension as well as the accuracy of the description. Otherwise, we could replace all instances of the word TRNC with something like "the area occupied by Turkish armed forces and controlled by a de facto Turkish Cypriot administration that has no legal international recognition". That, of course, would be ridiculous.
So I'm willing to agree to calling it "TRNC", but if we don't qualify this name with quotes (or some other simple way) then there is a connotation of legitimacy that I believe is wrong. Yes, it's true that I'm particularly interested in this issue because I'm a Greek Cypriot. But I'm willing to find a compromise and my goal is to avoid POV and describe this complicated issue in a way that reflects reality as simply as possible. Csymeonides 10:26, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I've moved the following comment from the article itself to the talk page:
"In late 2004, in an interview with a middle Eastern newspaper, Papadopoulos flatly denied that Greek Cypriots murdered Turkish Cypriots between 1963-1974, despite evidence to the contrary."
I don't know if he has actually said this or not (and I'm neither Greek nor Turk), but in order for a remark like this to remain in any article, it has to be backed up with a credible reference.
Please don't restore this sentence to the article until such a reference has been established. I'd prefer the name and date of the newspaper in question. -- Valentinian 21:46, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
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This article does not mention the President's position as the Deputy Chief of Akritas, nor his involvement in the development or attempted execution of the Akritas Plan. Given the consequences that this has had on the island ever since, it seems relevant. I will leave it to your judgement.
Hi Valentinian, you removed my addition to the article concerning Greek Cypriot views on His Excellency President Papadopoulos, unless you give reason here I will restore it within 24 Hours.-- GreekWarrior 00:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely pathetic, could you provide substantiation for your comment that President Papapdopoulos said "The best Turk is a dead Turk"?
No, you can't. Remove it immediately.
I have never read anything however about Papadopoulos reaching out to the Turkish Cypriots as
Abraham Lincoln did when the USA was split. Has he ever referred to the Turkish Cypriots as "fellow countrymen?", offering "Malice to none, charity for all?" or pledging not to change the 1960 constitution should a reconciliation take place? It was Makarios' intention to change the constitution to the detriment of the Turkish Cypriots that started the whole mess in 1963.
I look at that man and all I see is a Greek. not a Cypriot. As long as he simply demands his government controlling the whole island and not making clear any intentions that can assauge Turkish Cypriot fears, then the
partition will prevail. --
Expatkiwi 16:35 19 September 2005.
Hi Greek Warrior, very well said above, just one note with regards to the president's page... unless I missed it you did not mention "Enosis Kentrou", the party he formed in the 80's which didn't do too well but factual and worth mentioning as political life info. Regards, Marios Polycarpou.
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First of all, I'm not Greek, I'm Cypriot. If you want to qualify that with "Greek Cypriot", fine. But I try my best to avoid any POV statements.
Secondly, I could argue that a simple "TRNC" (in quotes) communicates the same meaning as the rather more complicated "the de facto (but not de jure) state that is the TRNC". Someone who doesn't know what the terms "de facto" and "de jure" mean (and I'm sure there's many people that don't, especially when used in this context) would have to look them up. In addition, the general definition of de facto at the top of the page suggests that it means something that's generally accepted (even if it's not legally true), which is certainly not the case here. Sometimes we need to consider brevity and ease of comprehension as well as the accuracy of the description. Otherwise, we could replace all instances of the word TRNC with something like "the area occupied by Turkish armed forces and controlled by a de facto Turkish Cypriot administration that has no legal international recognition". That, of course, would be ridiculous.
So I'm willing to agree to calling it "TRNC", but if we don't qualify this name with quotes (or some other simple way) then there is a connotation of legitimacy that I believe is wrong. Yes, it's true that I'm particularly interested in this issue because I'm a Greek Cypriot. But I'm willing to find a compromise and my goal is to avoid POV and describe this complicated issue in a way that reflects reality as simply as possible. Csymeonides 10:26, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I've moved the following comment from the article itself to the talk page:
"In late 2004, in an interview with a middle Eastern newspaper, Papadopoulos flatly denied that Greek Cypriots murdered Turkish Cypriots between 1963-1974, despite evidence to the contrary."
I don't know if he has actually said this or not (and I'm neither Greek nor Turk), but in order for a remark like this to remain in any article, it has to be backed up with a credible reference.
Please don't restore this sentence to the article until such a reference has been established. I'd prefer the name and date of the newspaper in question. -- Valentinian 21:46, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
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