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This article currently uses two inline citation styles. Any preferences for standardising it? Sabine's Sunbird talk 08:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Interestting that the length is mentioned, but would not the height be more relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.42.81.138 ( talk) 12:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. It is difficult to balance usage in reliable sources against a consistent style, since both concerns are very important. The consensus here, though, seems clear. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 17:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Tasmanian Nativehen → Tasmanian Native-hen –
FelixWilson ( talk) 23:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
This change was based on the IOC checklist. However this name is not widely used outside this particular list it rarely appears, and not in any Australian sources of bird taxonomy. Birdlife international uses Tasmanian Native-hen. Birds Australia's official list uses Native-hen, as do all Australian field guides to birds. The research literature referenced in the article uses either native-hen or native hen, none of these sources use nativehen as a single word. FelixWilson ( talk) 23:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
FelixWilson ( talk) 21:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
"Swamphen", "woodhen" and "moorhen", per Steve Pryor's argument above, differ dramatically from "nativehen" in that "native" doesn't describe a type of habitat. "Native" is referring to Tasmania, and "Tasmanian Native" is acting as a compound modifier (or adjective) of (for) "hen". "Swamphen" (etc) describes a hen of the swamp (etc). By that logic, "nativehen" indicates that this is a hen of "the native" and (still following the swamphen etc logic) this bird's full name should be rendered "Tasmaniannativehen", as it's a hen of not just any old native but of Tasmanian native (this is the type of grammar the current standard leads us into). This is one of those cases where an exception to WP's current chosen standard needs to be made, on the grounds of both usage and of grammatical logic.
I therefore propose "Tasmanian Native Hen", per the following sources:
(Regarding the hyphenated form, "Tasmanian Native-hen": grammatically, no hyphen is actually needed, and using one hyphen begs the question "in that case, why not two?" i.e. "Tasmanian-Native-Hen")
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Please find below an updated list of citations & a book reference supporting my move request to Tasmanian Native Hen and the use of "Tasmanian native hen" in the article.
-- Philologia ( talk) 15:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 05:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Tasmanian nativehen → Tasmanian Native Hen – 99% of sources use "Tasmanian Native Hen" (please see the post above for five web citations - 2 from Australian universities - & a book reference; also talk page post dated 18 Nov 2011, to which no-one has responded for three years, suggesting that the move should be uncontroversial). Moreover, "nativehen" is not a word (full argument re this at Nov 2011 post). Philologia ( talk) 15:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
As the overwhelmingly most common way to render "native hen" is "native hen" (see 8 citations below), and "nativehen" is only used in a few specialist sources, I propose that the article use "native hen" and the first sentence be edited as follows: "The Tasmanian native hen [here citing the 8 citations below] (also Tasmanian native-hen or, in specialist sources, [here citing eBird & IOC] Tasmanian nativehen)..." -- Philologia ( talk) 13:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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This article currently uses two inline citation styles. Any preferences for standardising it? Sabine's Sunbird talk 08:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Interestting that the length is mentioned, but would not the height be more relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.42.81.138 ( talk) 12:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Gallinula mortierii 1.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on November 1, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-11-01. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 08:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. It is difficult to balance usage in reliable sources against a consistent style, since both concerns are very important. The consensus here, though, seems clear. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 17:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Tasmanian Nativehen → Tasmanian Native-hen –
FelixWilson ( talk) 23:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
This change was based on the IOC checklist. However this name is not widely used outside this particular list it rarely appears, and not in any Australian sources of bird taxonomy. Birdlife international uses Tasmanian Native-hen. Birds Australia's official list uses Native-hen, as do all Australian field guides to birds. The research literature referenced in the article uses either native-hen or native hen, none of these sources use nativehen as a single word. FelixWilson ( talk) 23:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
FelixWilson ( talk) 21:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
"Swamphen", "woodhen" and "moorhen", per Steve Pryor's argument above, differ dramatically from "nativehen" in that "native" doesn't describe a type of habitat. "Native" is referring to Tasmania, and "Tasmanian Native" is acting as a compound modifier (or adjective) of (for) "hen". "Swamphen" (etc) describes a hen of the swamp (etc). By that logic, "nativehen" indicates that this is a hen of "the native" and (still following the swamphen etc logic) this bird's full name should be rendered "Tasmaniannativehen", as it's a hen of not just any old native but of Tasmanian native (this is the type of grammar the current standard leads us into). This is one of those cases where an exception to WP's current chosen standard needs to be made, on the grounds of both usage and of grammatical logic.
I therefore propose "Tasmanian Native Hen", per the following sources:
(Regarding the hyphenated form, "Tasmanian Native-hen": grammatically, no hyphen is actually needed, and using one hyphen begs the question "in that case, why not two?" i.e. "Tasmanian-Native-Hen")
-- Ty rS 02:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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Please find below an updated list of citations & a book reference supporting my move request to Tasmanian Native Hen and the use of "Tasmanian native hen" in the article.
-- Philologia ( talk) 15:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 05:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Tasmanian nativehen → Tasmanian Native Hen – 99% of sources use "Tasmanian Native Hen" (please see the post above for five web citations - 2 from Australian universities - & a book reference; also talk page post dated 18 Nov 2011, to which no-one has responded for three years, suggesting that the move should be uncontroversial). Moreover, "nativehen" is not a word (full argument re this at Nov 2011 post). Philologia ( talk) 15:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
As the overwhelmingly most common way to render "native hen" is "native hen" (see 8 citations below), and "nativehen" is only used in a few specialist sources, I propose that the article use "native hen" and the first sentence be edited as follows: "The Tasmanian native hen [here citing the 8 citations below] (also Tasmanian native-hen or, in specialist sources, [here citing eBird & IOC] Tasmanian nativehen)..." -- Philologia ( talk) 13:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)