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A tapir is a large, browing animal
I just expanded the Corcovado National Park stub in which I wrote that it is sizeable enough to support a sizeable population of tapirs. I think I remember hearing that this is one of the few remaining areas where such a large population still remains. Is this true? DirkvdM 19:07, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I moved the following from the article to the discussion page. It does not reflect a neutral POV ("nothing more than apologetic conjecture"), and neither cites nor quotes FARMS articles so that the argument for/against can be weighed. Please quote and cite FARMS articles so this entry can be improved to Wikipedia standard.
-- MrWhipple 16:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Here is the farms article
http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?id=129&table=transcripts
Similarly, members of Lehi's family may have applied loanwords to certain animal species that they encountered for the first time in the New World, such as the Mesoamerican tapir. While some species of tapir are rather small, the Mesoamerican variety (tapiris bairdii) can grow to be nearly six and a half feet in length and can weigh more than six hundred pounds. Many zoologists and anthropologists have compared the tapir's features to those of a horse or a donkey. "Whenever I saw a tapir," notes zoologist Hans Krieg, "it reminded me of an animal similar to a horse or a donkey. The movements as well as the shape of the animal, especially the high neck with the small brush mane, even the expression on the face, are much more like a horse's than a pig's [to which some have compared the smaller species]. When watching a tapir on the alert . . . as he picks himself up when recognizing danger, taking off in a gallop, almost nothing remains of the similarity to a pig."8
I have no problem with that.
i dont think a book of mormon reference is needed at all in a page about an animal. 67.187.228.134 02:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I see that this discussion hasn't been updated for quite awhile, so maybe this is a dead issue, but I thought that another point of view might be useful. From my perspective, FARMS's argument is mere apologetics. The tapir/horse connection is far from being accepted by mainstream Mormons. In fact, I would venture to guess that the average Mormon has never even heard of FARMS's proposal.
Furthermore, the proposal itself is fraught with problems. Therefore, I would suggest that if the FARMS reference is used in this article about tapirs, that a counter reference also be included so that those interested enough in the topic can get both sides of the story. An excellent article dealing with the subject of horses in the Book of Mormon is located here: http://zarahemlacitylimits.com/wiki/index.php/Horses, and within this article is a section dealing specifically with FARMS's tapir/horse connection ( http://zarahemlacitylimits.com/wiki/index.php/Horses#The_Tapir.2FHorse). KevinM 22:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I've tried to clean up this section by adopting an NPOV. The very inclusion of this section on the page is an allusion to the theory of horses/tapirs with a brief description of the theory, and not a defense/critique of apologetics. If that is to be the scope of the entry, then perhaps we should create a seperate Book of Mormon Horses/Tapir Debate page. For what it's worth. Wuapinmon 16:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmm..This bit of the article is still not so hot. It goes too far into Mormon hypotheses, but without just quoting some Mormons. I thought something like MrWhipple's proposed entry above is more the style I would choose, although his is perhaps a bit long. Hey, is MrWhipple a Mormon? Hm, not important...
-Misha Vargas
216.254.12.114 17:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This is kruft, pure and simple. The historicity of the BOM is an article of faith, and I know of no historian outside of the religion that would argure that Joseph Smith was not the author of the work. If the BOM says tapirs, then there is a reference with tapirs. If it says horses, it references horses. Because there is no original text, just what is alleged to be a translation, there is no room for argument about the subject. You cannot pose a solid argument without a document in the original language. The reference, which I think has a significant POV problem, should be removed from what is otherwise a good article.
-- Dwcsite 22:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The article states that the Korean name is "niya", but the Korean syllagram given is 맥 which, as far as I'm aware, is "mait", not "niya". Comments? Tom e r talk 11:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
do they eat ants as well? Chensiyuan 07:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes, but I took out some of the cultural references listed in the article. There have been enough now it didn't seem feasible to keep adding brief mentions and one-liners alluding to tapirs, so I tried to pare it down to instances where tapirs are featured more prominently. However, if anyone thinks that was a mistake or if I accidentally took out something that really belongs there, please go ahead and fix it with my apologies. - Sasha Kopf 00:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure the "Grand Theft Auto" reference here is correct. I am playing the game now, and it's not easily heard to be "tapia." There's a possibility it may be correctly pronounced (the character pronouncing it is speaking with either a Cuban or Puerto Rican accent) and I think this entry should be deleted, since it's not definitively mispronounced. —Preceding
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Why is "sexy" used for the pronunciation guide? I didn't change it because I couldn't tell if it's actually correct, but (1) I don't think it is correct and (2) if it is, there has to be a better word.
The article does not seem to talk about the range of the various tapir species.
Does anyone have any actual references to tapirs eating dreams in Chinese, Korean, or Japanese folklore? By references, I mean to **scholarly** work, and not a reference to Rumiko Takahashi's manga "Lum Urusei*Yatsura" where tapirs eat dreams. There are some other examples from manga, but they're not references either. I'd like to see a real scholarly reference to this, not something quoting somebody who (to complete the circle) is quoting Wiki. And for an example of *that*, see < http://fantasii-lyrics.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html> where Japanese "yumekui" is translated as "dream-catcher," "dream-eater," and a footnote says that means a tapir and cites this Wiki article.
In brief, you've got a VERIFIABILITY problem here.
Timothy Perper 18:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Here is a reference to an image from 1791 that shows a “dream-eating” Japanese supernatural creature that has an elephant’s trunk and tusks. It is NOT a zoological tapir.
Kern, Adam L. 2007 Manga from the Floating World: Comicbook culture and the kibyoshi of Edo Japan. Cambridge: Harvard University Asian Center. page 236, figure 4.26.
It has tusks, a long trunk, a semi-human face, horns, and a body drawn in swirls and whorls rather like a dragon. Kern calls this creature a “baku.” I’d download the image except that that really would be copyright violation.
By contrast, *modern* dream-eating creatures in manga and anime are unmistakably zoological tapirs. Here’s a reference to Takahashi Rumiko’s dream-eating tapir (the original dates from the early 1980s):
Takahashi Rumiko 1995 Waking to a nightmare. In: The Return of Lum: Urusei Yatsura. San Francisco: Viz. pages 141-156.
So there you have it. The Edo period dream-eater was drawn in at least some contemporary Japanese sources with an elephant’s head. Modern Japanese dream-eaters are zoological tapirs.
Timothy Perper 14:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
These guys are so cool. I love the tapir. Why is this page not have more on it? There are all sorts of tapir that you miss off! Why not a big heap of all the documented tapir you can find anywhere. I wish we could have more. Also possibly a link to a site where I can buy or hire a tapir for myself to keep? 217.36.215.32 15:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
In roughly the center of the article are two pictures of tapir feet, side by side with the caption; '"The undersides of the front (left, with four toes) and back (right, with three toes) feet of a Malayan tapir at rest". Here's the problem: Unless my eyes deceive me, BOTH photos display a four toed foot! Am I mistaken, or should this picture & caption be scrapped? Rearden Metal 03:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The following information was recently added by CassieCamisado on tapir breeding patterns:
Tapirs mating is non seasonal and they go into Oestrus every two to three months. Oestrus usually lasts four to five days and they copulate several times during this to ensure pregnancy. They can reproduce both in and out of water.
For now, I have remove the info and reverted back to the previous text because
However, if the info gets sourced and those little problems taken care of, it would be great to have it in the article. - Sasha Kopf ( talk) 11:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
they are ugly and look weaird —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.223.107 ( talk) 20:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Are tapirs kosher animals? 65.95.59.86 ( talk) 15:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Dutch naturalist Marc van Roosmalen claims to have discovered a new species of tapir. Is this discovery accepted by the scientific community??
Here's the link: http://www.marcvanroosmalen.org/dwarftapir.htm 189.70.65.130 ( talk) 01:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
"...G-banded preparations have revealed that Malayan, Baird’s and Brazilian Tapirs have identical X chromosomes, while Mountain Tapirs are separated by a heterochromatic addition/deletion..." What is the conclusion of that? Malayan or Mountain tapirs are phylogeneticaly closer to the other two species? The heterochromatic addition/deletion could be an apomorphy of the mountain tapir that happened before or after the geographic isolation of the asian from the american species?-- 92.118.191.48 ( talk) 10:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I ahve removed the translated binomials from the taxonomy section. With only a few noted exceptions, extinct taxa from before the 1600s do not actually have a common name and should be referred to by the scientific name. -- Kevmin ( talk) 06:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Need a source that they are also known as danta? Google it! -- Japoniano ( talk) 21:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, they are know by that name and, thank you for the above link!. 75.48.8.163 ( talk) 04:54, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
The Pokemon Drowzee is a tapir, it's Pokedex entry also mentions it being related to Baku. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.177.156 ( talk) 14:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The article says it takes at least three years to reach sexual maturity, so there is a dating problem with the sentence:
Hybrid tapirs from the Baird's Tapir and the Brazilian Tapir were bred at the San Francisco Zoo around 1969 and produced a second generation around 1970.
The reference does not include the 1969 date. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 19:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I think a picture of a tapir skull would be more appropriate than a rough sketch of one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burriloom ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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Horses, Tapirs & Rhinoceroses
Although superficially these animals might not seem related, they all belong to the order Perissodactyla, or odd-toed ungulates. The three families included (Equidae, Rhinocerotidae, and Tapiridae) have a total of 17 species between them, including the horse, donkey, ass, zebra, tapir, and rhinoceros. They are a beautiful example of related animals evolving to adapt to different lifestyles, this case animals respectively living in open areas such as grasslands and steppes (horses), dry savannas, and in Asia, wet marsh or forest areas (rhinos), and mainly tropical rainforests (tapirs).
The British zoologist Richard Owen recognised that all these animals were closely related and coined the name for this order. Their most easily recognisable shared trait is the odd number of toes, but another remarkable shared trait is that they are all hindgut fermenters. They store digested food that has left the stomach in an enlarged part of the digestive tract called the cecum (in humans this is the part at the beginning of the large intestine to which the appendix is connected) where it is digested by bacteria. [1] [2]
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A tapir is a large, browing animal
I just expanded the Corcovado National Park stub in which I wrote that it is sizeable enough to support a sizeable population of tapirs. I think I remember hearing that this is one of the few remaining areas where such a large population still remains. Is this true? DirkvdM 19:07, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I moved the following from the article to the discussion page. It does not reflect a neutral POV ("nothing more than apologetic conjecture"), and neither cites nor quotes FARMS articles so that the argument for/against can be weighed. Please quote and cite FARMS articles so this entry can be improved to Wikipedia standard.
-- MrWhipple 16:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Here is the farms article
http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?id=129&table=transcripts
Similarly, members of Lehi's family may have applied loanwords to certain animal species that they encountered for the first time in the New World, such as the Mesoamerican tapir. While some species of tapir are rather small, the Mesoamerican variety (tapiris bairdii) can grow to be nearly six and a half feet in length and can weigh more than six hundred pounds. Many zoologists and anthropologists have compared the tapir's features to those of a horse or a donkey. "Whenever I saw a tapir," notes zoologist Hans Krieg, "it reminded me of an animal similar to a horse or a donkey. The movements as well as the shape of the animal, especially the high neck with the small brush mane, even the expression on the face, are much more like a horse's than a pig's [to which some have compared the smaller species]. When watching a tapir on the alert . . . as he picks himself up when recognizing danger, taking off in a gallop, almost nothing remains of the similarity to a pig."8
I have no problem with that.
i dont think a book of mormon reference is needed at all in a page about an animal. 67.187.228.134 02:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I see that this discussion hasn't been updated for quite awhile, so maybe this is a dead issue, but I thought that another point of view might be useful. From my perspective, FARMS's argument is mere apologetics. The tapir/horse connection is far from being accepted by mainstream Mormons. In fact, I would venture to guess that the average Mormon has never even heard of FARMS's proposal.
Furthermore, the proposal itself is fraught with problems. Therefore, I would suggest that if the FARMS reference is used in this article about tapirs, that a counter reference also be included so that those interested enough in the topic can get both sides of the story. An excellent article dealing with the subject of horses in the Book of Mormon is located here: http://zarahemlacitylimits.com/wiki/index.php/Horses, and within this article is a section dealing specifically with FARMS's tapir/horse connection ( http://zarahemlacitylimits.com/wiki/index.php/Horses#The_Tapir.2FHorse). KevinM 22:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I've tried to clean up this section by adopting an NPOV. The very inclusion of this section on the page is an allusion to the theory of horses/tapirs with a brief description of the theory, and not a defense/critique of apologetics. If that is to be the scope of the entry, then perhaps we should create a seperate Book of Mormon Horses/Tapir Debate page. For what it's worth. Wuapinmon 16:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmm..This bit of the article is still not so hot. It goes too far into Mormon hypotheses, but without just quoting some Mormons. I thought something like MrWhipple's proposed entry above is more the style I would choose, although his is perhaps a bit long. Hey, is MrWhipple a Mormon? Hm, not important...
-Misha Vargas
216.254.12.114 17:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This is kruft, pure and simple. The historicity of the BOM is an article of faith, and I know of no historian outside of the religion that would argure that Joseph Smith was not the author of the work. If the BOM says tapirs, then there is a reference with tapirs. If it says horses, it references horses. Because there is no original text, just what is alleged to be a translation, there is no room for argument about the subject. You cannot pose a solid argument without a document in the original language. The reference, which I think has a significant POV problem, should be removed from what is otherwise a good article.
-- Dwcsite 22:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The article states that the Korean name is "niya", but the Korean syllagram given is 맥 which, as far as I'm aware, is "mait", not "niya". Comments? Tom e r talk 11:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
do they eat ants as well? Chensiyuan 07:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes, but I took out some of the cultural references listed in the article. There have been enough now it didn't seem feasible to keep adding brief mentions and one-liners alluding to tapirs, so I tried to pare it down to instances where tapirs are featured more prominently. However, if anyone thinks that was a mistake or if I accidentally took out something that really belongs there, please go ahead and fix it with my apologies. - Sasha Kopf 00:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure the "Grand Theft Auto" reference here is correct. I am playing the game now, and it's not easily heard to be "tapia." There's a possibility it may be correctly pronounced (the character pronouncing it is speaking with either a Cuban or Puerto Rican accent) and I think this entry should be deleted, since it's not definitively mispronounced. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
98.200.185.108 (
talk)
19:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is "sexy" used for the pronunciation guide? I didn't change it because I couldn't tell if it's actually correct, but (1) I don't think it is correct and (2) if it is, there has to be a better word.
The article does not seem to talk about the range of the various tapir species.
Does anyone have any actual references to tapirs eating dreams in Chinese, Korean, or Japanese folklore? By references, I mean to **scholarly** work, and not a reference to Rumiko Takahashi's manga "Lum Urusei*Yatsura" where tapirs eat dreams. There are some other examples from manga, but they're not references either. I'd like to see a real scholarly reference to this, not something quoting somebody who (to complete the circle) is quoting Wiki. And for an example of *that*, see < http://fantasii-lyrics.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html> where Japanese "yumekui" is translated as "dream-catcher," "dream-eater," and a footnote says that means a tapir and cites this Wiki article.
In brief, you've got a VERIFIABILITY problem here.
Timothy Perper 18:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Here is a reference to an image from 1791 that shows a “dream-eating” Japanese supernatural creature that has an elephant’s trunk and tusks. It is NOT a zoological tapir.
Kern, Adam L. 2007 Manga from the Floating World: Comicbook culture and the kibyoshi of Edo Japan. Cambridge: Harvard University Asian Center. page 236, figure 4.26.
It has tusks, a long trunk, a semi-human face, horns, and a body drawn in swirls and whorls rather like a dragon. Kern calls this creature a “baku.” I’d download the image except that that really would be copyright violation.
By contrast, *modern* dream-eating creatures in manga and anime are unmistakably zoological tapirs. Here’s a reference to Takahashi Rumiko’s dream-eating tapir (the original dates from the early 1980s):
Takahashi Rumiko 1995 Waking to a nightmare. In: The Return of Lum: Urusei Yatsura. San Francisco: Viz. pages 141-156.
So there you have it. The Edo period dream-eater was drawn in at least some contemporary Japanese sources with an elephant’s head. Modern Japanese dream-eaters are zoological tapirs.
Timothy Perper 14:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
These guys are so cool. I love the tapir. Why is this page not have more on it? There are all sorts of tapir that you miss off! Why not a big heap of all the documented tapir you can find anywhere. I wish we could have more. Also possibly a link to a site where I can buy or hire a tapir for myself to keep? 217.36.215.32 15:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
In roughly the center of the article are two pictures of tapir feet, side by side with the caption; '"The undersides of the front (left, with four toes) and back (right, with three toes) feet of a Malayan tapir at rest". Here's the problem: Unless my eyes deceive me, BOTH photos display a four toed foot! Am I mistaken, or should this picture & caption be scrapped? Rearden Metal 03:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The following information was recently added by CassieCamisado on tapir breeding patterns:
Tapirs mating is non seasonal and they go into Oestrus every two to three months. Oestrus usually lasts four to five days and they copulate several times during this to ensure pregnancy. They can reproduce both in and out of water.
For now, I have remove the info and reverted back to the previous text because
However, if the info gets sourced and those little problems taken care of, it would be great to have it in the article. - Sasha Kopf ( talk) 11:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
they are ugly and look weaird —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.223.107 ( talk) 20:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Are tapirs kosher animals? 65.95.59.86 ( talk) 15:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Dutch naturalist Marc van Roosmalen claims to have discovered a new species of tapir. Is this discovery accepted by the scientific community??
Here's the link: http://www.marcvanroosmalen.org/dwarftapir.htm 189.70.65.130 ( talk) 01:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
"...G-banded preparations have revealed that Malayan, Baird’s and Brazilian Tapirs have identical X chromosomes, while Mountain Tapirs are separated by a heterochromatic addition/deletion..." What is the conclusion of that? Malayan or Mountain tapirs are phylogeneticaly closer to the other two species? The heterochromatic addition/deletion could be an apomorphy of the mountain tapir that happened before or after the geographic isolation of the asian from the american species?-- 92.118.191.48 ( talk) 10:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I ahve removed the translated binomials from the taxonomy section. With only a few noted exceptions, extinct taxa from before the 1600s do not actually have a common name and should be referred to by the scientific name. -- Kevmin ( talk) 06:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Need a source that they are also known as danta? Google it! -- Japoniano ( talk) 21:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, they are know by that name and, thank you for the above link!. 75.48.8.163 ( talk) 04:54, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
The Pokemon Drowzee is a tapir, it's Pokedex entry also mentions it being related to Baku. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.177.156 ( talk) 14:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The article says it takes at least three years to reach sexual maturity, so there is a dating problem with the sentence:
Hybrid tapirs from the Baird's Tapir and the Brazilian Tapir were bred at the San Francisco Zoo around 1969 and produced a second generation around 1970.
The reference does not include the 1969 date. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 19:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I think a picture of a tapir skull would be more appropriate than a rough sketch of one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burriloom ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
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Horses, Tapirs & Rhinoceroses
Although superficially these animals might not seem related, they all belong to the order Perissodactyla, or odd-toed ungulates. The three families included (Equidae, Rhinocerotidae, and Tapiridae) have a total of 17 species between them, including the horse, donkey, ass, zebra, tapir, and rhinoceros. They are a beautiful example of related animals evolving to adapt to different lifestyles, this case animals respectively living in open areas such as grasslands and steppes (horses), dry savannas, and in Asia, wet marsh or forest areas (rhinos), and mainly tropical rainforests (tapirs).
The British zoologist Richard Owen recognised that all these animals were closely related and coined the name for this order. Their most easily recognisable shared trait is the odd number of toes, but another remarkable shared trait is that they are all hindgut fermenters. They store digested food that has left the stomach in an enlarged part of the digestive tract called the cecum (in humans this is the part at the beginning of the large intestine to which the appendix is connected) where it is digested by bacteria. [1] [2]
Oftapirs ( talk) 20:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)