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I edited the first article cause it sounded like a textbook I read in school back in the eighties, round bout the same time they still taught that left handed people were evil and beating children with canes was a good thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.88.100.12 ( talk) 10:34, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
"Taniwha were often regarded as guardians to Maori tribes or as pets or friends to specific historical/legendary people (much as sharks were throughout much of Polynesia, especially Tonga). In most creation myths however taniwha were wrongly described as terrible monsters. (NB By and large, sharks feature much less often in Maori legend than they do in other Polynesian societies, again suggesting that the concept has been transferred across cultures, but given another form)."
While dinosaurs dominated the land, a variety of reptiles reigned in the seas, and included dolphin-shaped ichthyosaurs and the Loch-Ness-Monster-like plesiosaurs. In the new study, scientists investigated another similar beast — extinct carnivores known as mosasaurs, generally thought of as gigantic finned marine lizards similar and perhaps even related to present-day monitor lizards.
The mosasaur fossils were unearthed starting in 1999 from an open-pit mine in the Bakony Hills of western Hungary. The researchers discovered several 84-million-year-old specimens, ranging from small juveniles to adults 20 feet (6 meters) long that had limbs like a land-dwelling lizard, a flattened, crocodilelike skull, and a tail unlike other known members of the mosasaur family.
So what's this stuff about taniwha being depicted as covered in 'koru'? Is there any basis to that? The mosasaur stuff and the cryptid stuff is off the wall too. This article needs a good cleanup I think Kahuroa 20:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate your bighearted attitude. I took the picture of Ureia, so that made that easier. Suggest you log on to Wikimedia Commons and set up an account, browse around and see how things work. What I want is for Taniwha as an article is that it is true to its topic - which has to be the traditional Māori stories about taniwha - pure and simple. To deal with the approach you seem to want, it would have to be a separate article, but if you want to include the personal experiences of yourself and others you might run up against the Wikimedia policy against original research: Wikipedia:No original research - anything you add has to be able to be verified, that is, it must come from a reliable source Wikipedia:Reliable sources that others can refer to and verify the information from: Wikipedia:Verifiability. There are articles on Wikipedia that deal with what some might call 'pseudo-science' - but if they last it will only be if they are written from an encyclopedic point of view. And why not a separate article for Taniwhasaurus if you think you have the material? Kahuroa 19:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
http://www.fraser-high.school.nz/schoolbadge.htm How the School came by its Badge and Motto, by Mr W. Fraser, Principal 1924 - 1949 moza ( talk) 12:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
There are several ways of pronouncing taniwha (as there are several ways of pronouncing the wh), but only one is given. Nurg ( talk) 07:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
For the possible origin of the word 'taniwha' from the Pali word 'tanha', 'evil', and general discussion of taniwha as ego-myth, see "Hekenga o te Taniwha: the Buddhist origin of the Polynesian Races", Niu Paremata, 2011 ISBN 978-0-473-18891-7; Dalberton Library publication no.30 Koroke ( talk) 08:42, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Taniwha are first mentioned in a note by Capt. Cook in 1777. As "snakes and lizards, eight feet long and with the diameter of a man's body - that burrow in the ground and are killed by lighting fires at the mouths of these holes". Polack ("New Zealand", vol.2, 1838) briefly mentions them as "subterranean monsters that can cause disasters". The derivation of "taniwha" from the oceanic 'tanifa', shark, is hence problematic and likely to have derived from a later confusion, since legendary taniwha are land-dwelling, or cave-dwellers, sometimes taking the shape of sharks or whales or living in water-holes, lakes or rivers. This, with water being a common metaphor for 'mind', indicates the origin as an ego-myth. George Orwell, in "Inside the whale", 1940, takes a similar stance over the biblical tale of Jonah and the fish. As also does the tale of Ao-kehu the taniwha-slayer, who after climbing into a hollow log was swallowed by it, but cut his way out using two maripi. Confirming the taniwha/ego identity also are the many stories in which the taniwha is not killed, but tamed after subduing to a harmless condition. Early New Zealand books offer variant spellings such as Tanewoa, Tanewa, Tanniwha, and Tamiwha. Early New Zealand books offer variant spellings such as Tanewoa, Tanewa, Tanniwha, and Tamiwha. Edward Tregear, in "The Maori Race" 'recognized the Aryo-Semitic nature of the taniwha by connecting it on the one hand with the Sanskrit 'tan', 'stretched out' and on the other with the Hebrew Leviathan...By the introduction of the great Arabian serpent, the happy family is now complete' (Arabic 'tannin','a great serpent', the same in origin as the Maori 'taniwha', 'a great water monster'). If we posit a Sri Lankan origin of the Maori race, it is immediately apparent that the Pali word 'tanha', or evil, is just this. As a fundamental religious concept, it represents 'longing for experience (via a chain of reincarnations), In other words, Hotupuku, ('craving mental food') the most famous taniwha, which was slain by the wartrior Te Pitaka. A name suggestive of the chief Pali canon, the Tipitaka, or Three Baskets of Buddhist Scriptures, that 'kill tanha'. Which has been compared by J.E. Carpenter to the three kete of maoritonga. (nga kete matauranga).The Christian notion of the 'resurrection of the dead' is thus parallelled in the cutting open of the taniwha (killing of the ego),at which momentous event for each slayer, the swallowed or erased memory of past lives)or 'Salvation' occurs.
Both Tregear and Bokalamulla have remarked on the similarity of the Maori and Sinhalese languages and customs, as appearing to derive from Sanskrit and Pali, particularly in place-names (Greetings from Lanka", Te Ao Hou, no.66, 1969). The sacred legendary Buddhist Mt. Meru has been equated with the Polynesian goddess of Hades Miru. Horatio Robley noted the resemblance of early Hei Tiki amulets to images of the Buddha carved in green jade or emerald. Even the word 'Maori' suggests the Maurya Empire founded by Chandragupta Maurya around 321 BC, which endured till 184 BC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.111.116 ( talk) 08:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Both Tregear and Bokalamulla have remarked on the similarity of the Maori and Sinhalese languages and customs, as appearing to derive from Sanskrit and Pali, particularly in place-names (Greetings from Lanka", Te Ao Hou, no.66, 1969). The sacred legendary Buddhist Mt. Meru has been equated with the Polynesian goddess of Hades Miru. Horatio Robley noted the resemblance of early Hei Tiki amulets to images of the Buddha carved in green jade or emerald. Even the word 'Maori' suggests the Maurya Empire founded by Chandragupta Maurya around 321 BC, which endured till 184 BC. Koroke ( talk) 09:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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The article cites a Blogspot 'essay' as a source. [1] Which in of itself would fail to pass WP:RS. Even worse, this ridiculous essay claims that "taniwha are not just mythological beings without any basis in reality, but that they are based on real dinosaur sightings", based on pseudoscientific creationist drivel. Clearly none of this belongs in the article. but rather than deleting it, it would probably be worth trying to find some better sources. Māori mythology is a subject deserving of proper scholarly coverage, and I am quite sure that such material can be found to support the article, without it being used as a platform for halfwitted hogwash imported from elsewhere. 86.130.97.5 ( talk) 10:47, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
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I edited the first article cause it sounded like a textbook I read in school back in the eighties, round bout the same time they still taught that left handed people were evil and beating children with canes was a good thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.88.100.12 ( talk) 10:34, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
"Taniwha were often regarded as guardians to Maori tribes or as pets or friends to specific historical/legendary people (much as sharks were throughout much of Polynesia, especially Tonga). In most creation myths however taniwha were wrongly described as terrible monsters. (NB By and large, sharks feature much less often in Maori legend than they do in other Polynesian societies, again suggesting that the concept has been transferred across cultures, but given another form)."
While dinosaurs dominated the land, a variety of reptiles reigned in the seas, and included dolphin-shaped ichthyosaurs and the Loch-Ness-Monster-like plesiosaurs. In the new study, scientists investigated another similar beast — extinct carnivores known as mosasaurs, generally thought of as gigantic finned marine lizards similar and perhaps even related to present-day monitor lizards.
The mosasaur fossils were unearthed starting in 1999 from an open-pit mine in the Bakony Hills of western Hungary. The researchers discovered several 84-million-year-old specimens, ranging from small juveniles to adults 20 feet (6 meters) long that had limbs like a land-dwelling lizard, a flattened, crocodilelike skull, and a tail unlike other known members of the mosasaur family.
So what's this stuff about taniwha being depicted as covered in 'koru'? Is there any basis to that? The mosasaur stuff and the cryptid stuff is off the wall too. This article needs a good cleanup I think Kahuroa 20:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate your bighearted attitude. I took the picture of Ureia, so that made that easier. Suggest you log on to Wikimedia Commons and set up an account, browse around and see how things work. What I want is for Taniwha as an article is that it is true to its topic - which has to be the traditional Māori stories about taniwha - pure and simple. To deal with the approach you seem to want, it would have to be a separate article, but if you want to include the personal experiences of yourself and others you might run up against the Wikimedia policy against original research: Wikipedia:No original research - anything you add has to be able to be verified, that is, it must come from a reliable source Wikipedia:Reliable sources that others can refer to and verify the information from: Wikipedia:Verifiability. There are articles on Wikipedia that deal with what some might call 'pseudo-science' - but if they last it will only be if they are written from an encyclopedic point of view. And why not a separate article for Taniwhasaurus if you think you have the material? Kahuroa 19:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
http://www.fraser-high.school.nz/schoolbadge.htm How the School came by its Badge and Motto, by Mr W. Fraser, Principal 1924 - 1949 moza ( talk) 12:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
There are several ways of pronouncing taniwha (as there are several ways of pronouncing the wh), but only one is given. Nurg ( talk) 07:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
For the possible origin of the word 'taniwha' from the Pali word 'tanha', 'evil', and general discussion of taniwha as ego-myth, see "Hekenga o te Taniwha: the Buddhist origin of the Polynesian Races", Niu Paremata, 2011 ISBN 978-0-473-18891-7; Dalberton Library publication no.30 Koroke ( talk) 08:42, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Taniwha are first mentioned in a note by Capt. Cook in 1777. As "snakes and lizards, eight feet long and with the diameter of a man's body - that burrow in the ground and are killed by lighting fires at the mouths of these holes". Polack ("New Zealand", vol.2, 1838) briefly mentions them as "subterranean monsters that can cause disasters". The derivation of "taniwha" from the oceanic 'tanifa', shark, is hence problematic and likely to have derived from a later confusion, since legendary taniwha are land-dwelling, or cave-dwellers, sometimes taking the shape of sharks or whales or living in water-holes, lakes or rivers. This, with water being a common metaphor for 'mind', indicates the origin as an ego-myth. George Orwell, in "Inside the whale", 1940, takes a similar stance over the biblical tale of Jonah and the fish. As also does the tale of Ao-kehu the taniwha-slayer, who after climbing into a hollow log was swallowed by it, but cut his way out using two maripi. Confirming the taniwha/ego identity also are the many stories in which the taniwha is not killed, but tamed after subduing to a harmless condition. Early New Zealand books offer variant spellings such as Tanewoa, Tanewa, Tanniwha, and Tamiwha. Early New Zealand books offer variant spellings such as Tanewoa, Tanewa, Tanniwha, and Tamiwha. Edward Tregear, in "The Maori Race" 'recognized the Aryo-Semitic nature of the taniwha by connecting it on the one hand with the Sanskrit 'tan', 'stretched out' and on the other with the Hebrew Leviathan...By the introduction of the great Arabian serpent, the happy family is now complete' (Arabic 'tannin','a great serpent', the same in origin as the Maori 'taniwha', 'a great water monster'). If we posit a Sri Lankan origin of the Maori race, it is immediately apparent that the Pali word 'tanha', or evil, is just this. As a fundamental religious concept, it represents 'longing for experience (via a chain of reincarnations), In other words, Hotupuku, ('craving mental food') the most famous taniwha, which was slain by the wartrior Te Pitaka. A name suggestive of the chief Pali canon, the Tipitaka, or Three Baskets of Buddhist Scriptures, that 'kill tanha'. Which has been compared by J.E. Carpenter to the three kete of maoritonga. (nga kete matauranga).The Christian notion of the 'resurrection of the dead' is thus parallelled in the cutting open of the taniwha (killing of the ego),at which momentous event for each slayer, the swallowed or erased memory of past lives)or 'Salvation' occurs.
Both Tregear and Bokalamulla have remarked on the similarity of the Maori and Sinhalese languages and customs, as appearing to derive from Sanskrit and Pali, particularly in place-names (Greetings from Lanka", Te Ao Hou, no.66, 1969). The sacred legendary Buddhist Mt. Meru has been equated with the Polynesian goddess of Hades Miru. Horatio Robley noted the resemblance of early Hei Tiki amulets to images of the Buddha carved in green jade or emerald. Even the word 'Maori' suggests the Maurya Empire founded by Chandragupta Maurya around 321 BC, which endured till 184 BC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.111.116 ( talk) 08:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Both Tregear and Bokalamulla have remarked on the similarity of the Maori and Sinhalese languages and customs, as appearing to derive from Sanskrit and Pali, particularly in place-names (Greetings from Lanka", Te Ao Hou, no.66, 1969). The sacred legendary Buddhist Mt. Meru has been equated with the Polynesian goddess of Hades Miru. Horatio Robley noted the resemblance of early Hei Tiki amulets to images of the Buddha carved in green jade or emerald. Even the word 'Maori' suggests the Maurya Empire founded by Chandragupta Maurya around 321 BC, which endured till 184 BC. Koroke ( talk) 09:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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The article cites a Blogspot 'essay' as a source. [1] Which in of itself would fail to pass WP:RS. Even worse, this ridiculous essay claims that "taniwha are not just mythological beings without any basis in reality, but that they are based on real dinosaur sightings", based on pseudoscientific creationist drivel. Clearly none of this belongs in the article. but rather than deleting it, it would probably be worth trying to find some better sources. Māori mythology is a subject deserving of proper scholarly coverage, and I am quite sure that such material can be found to support the article, without it being used as a platform for halfwitted hogwash imported from elsewhere. 86.130.97.5 ( talk) 10:47, 7 February 2018 (UTC)